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Post by publichunter on Jun 22, 2023 9:41:25 GMT -5
Anyone know where we can find these? I know whenever a deer is called in they ask the WMA if it's a public area harvest. I can't find the info anywhere though. Only total numbers and WMA's with check stations.
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Post by JS84 on Jun 22, 2023 10:12:13 GMT -5
Might have to file a FOIA request.
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Post by altuck on Jun 22, 2023 10:27:30 GMT -5
Someone from FWC called me last week doing a survey. Deer killed etc, etc. I gave them the same info I reported on harvest report.
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Post by joekat46 on Jun 22, 2023 11:27:16 GMT -5
I am asking the same basic question about the turkey harvest on a different thread. Both deer and turkey kills were mandated to be called in or reported by computer. This applied to all lands both public and private. It shouldn't take more than a computer stroke to relay this information on the FWC web site. I haven't seen the total numbers for either but may not have looked hard enough. I was hoping they would update the numbers at least weekly throughout the season. Maybe some day. At least there is some type of reporting system finally in place. Now if they would start counting the freeloading exempts (I am one) they could get a handle on how many actually hunt and fish in Florida
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Post by Stumpy on Jun 22, 2023 14:53:41 GMT -5
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Post by One Man Gang on Jun 22, 2023 15:35:07 GMT -5
Let me know if you guys can see where my son killed 2 ten inch osceola gobblers last season. I don't have time to search.
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Post by joekat46 on Jun 22, 2023 17:00:55 GMT -5
This should be easily accessible information obtained through the web site. No legitimate reason for it to be difficult or require a special FOIA request. Were the results from the mandatory reporting supposed to be a big secret? Maybe they are discovering those harvest "guesses" they would give in past years were way off. IMO Before mandatory reporting the number of birds and bucks taken were a wild ass guess. Did any of the "exempts" hunting private land have their kills recorded - no they didn't. Were they called for a survey - no they weren't. Mandatory reporting will help but actual physical tags are needed also.
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Post by wayvis on Jun 24, 2023 9:12:08 GMT -5
This should be easily accessible information obtained through the web site. No legitimate reason for it to be difficult or require a special FOIA request. Were the results from the mandatory reporting supposed to be a big secret? Maybe they are discovering those harvest "guesses" they would give in past years were way off. IMO Before mandatory reporting the number of birds and bucks taken were a wild ass guess. Did any of the "exempts" hunting private land have their kills recorded - no they didn't. Were they called for a survey - no they weren't. Mandatory reporting will help but actual physical tags are needed also. Not sure why you think exempt hunters hunting private land do not report their kills. I'm a exempt hunter and hunt private land. The rule says all hunter that hunt deer or turkeys must report their harvest. So just like all hunters that hunt deer and now turkeys I have to have a hunter ID number to report harvest. The hunter ID number gives FWC a pretty good data on how many hunters are hunting deer and now turkeys. Here's some data from the 2021-2022 survey conducted by Response Management: "There were an estimated 122,312 deer hunters in Florida during the 2021‐2022 season, slightly up from the 106,926 who hunted deer in 2020‐2021. In this year’s survey, the estimated statewide deer harvest was 74,098, compared to 65,707 in the previous year. Overall, deer hunters spent 2.151 million days hunting deer in Florida in the 2021‐2022 season. " DEER HUNTER SATISFACTION Ø A little more than two thirds of Florida deer hunters (68.5%) are “very satisfied” or “satisfied” with deer hunting in Florida, while dissatisfaction stands at 16.5%. These surveys have been conducted by Response Management for quite a number of years. Also, they now have the harvest report data from the deer report system to compare to Response Managements telephone survey. To get this data and a whole lot more just give the Deer Management Coordinator Morea Cory a call or email him ......cory.morea@myfwc.com. You can also ask him why this info isn't available on the web site.
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Post by olmucky on Jun 24, 2023 12:12:45 GMT -5
68% VERY satisfied?
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Post by joekat46 on Jun 24, 2023 12:33:09 GMT -5
You misread wayvis. BEFORE the mandatory reporting they had no clue how many deer or turkey were taken on private land by exempts, or most anyone else, or how many exempts actually hunted. Now that mandatory reporting is in place they should get some good data but for unknown reason it doesn't appear easily accessible. Anyone should now be able to go on the FWC site and see how many turkey were killed in spring 2023 without a FOIA request. I checked a turkey on April 15 from Hardee County private land. That info, as well as the total number from Hardee County and any other county I enter, should be available with a click of a key stroke and not require a call to Cory.. With a totally transparent check and report system Resource Management may have become obsolete. I have been an exempt for over ten years. I wonder how many millions of dollars the uncounted exempts have cost Florida in matching federal funds over the years? Freeloading exempts are a big drain on the system
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Post by joekat46 on Jun 24, 2023 12:56:50 GMT -5
Post that on "the other forum" and see what happens. It may crash the General Hunting section. Lol
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Post by One Man Gang on Jun 24, 2023 15:00:13 GMT -5
Yeah, I find it highly unlikely that 68% of FL hunters are VERY satisfied with our deer hunting. This state does not place enough importance and effort into hunting to make it "satisfying" for the average man, unless today's average man only knows of the lackluster opportunities we have today.
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Post by 4ward on Jun 24, 2023 16:37:35 GMT -5
I have contacted fwc on multiple occasions over the years. Never had one single response. Why the fuck would I believe survey data? (Amongst other reasons) Just a thought
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Post by pinman on Jun 24, 2023 16:55:14 GMT -5
"Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics"
If you dont know look it up.
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Post by joekat46 on Jun 24, 2023 17:46:27 GMT -5
I foolishly thought that when turkey season ended I would've been able to see the totals from all the counties and the totals from all the WMAs in Florida whether manned or not. Legal and ethical hunters complied with the new check in system and it is suspicious that it takes an act of Congress to see it. I'm lucky to be able to hunt other states with telecheck systems in place. Harvest totals are not a big secret in any of them
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Post by wayvis on Jun 24, 2023 18:52:27 GMT -5
I agree that this data should be on the FWC website. But way if most are not going to believe it?
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Post by wayvis on Jun 24, 2023 19:47:42 GMT -5
Yeah, I find it highly unlikely that 68% of FL hunters are VERY satisfied with our deer hunting. This state does not place enough importance and effort into hunting to make it "satisfying" for the average man, unless today's average man only knows of the lackluster opportunities we have today. ................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... It's not 68% are very satisfied; its 68% are satisfied or very satisfied. So what do you think the average man that deer hunts today is? My thought is most only hunt deer 6-12 days a year and if they see a few deer then most are satisfied. Here's the question they ask on the survey for this data: 10. What was your overall level of satisfaction with the 2016-2017 Florida Deer Hunting Season? (READ SCALE AS NECESSARY; PROMPT FOR DEGREE) SATIS 1:20 (CHECK ONLY ONE ANSWER) |__| 1. Invalid answer. Select another. (GO TO QUESTION 10) |__| 2. Very satisfied |__| 3. Satisfied |__| 4. Neither satisfied nor dissatisfied |__| 5. Dissatisfied |__| 6. Very dissatisfied |__| 7. (DNR) Don't know
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Post by One Man Gang on Jun 24, 2023 23:31:34 GMT -5
I still do not believe 68% were MERELY "satisfied", as you say. I am also particularly skeptical of any poll coming out of fwc...
Good people, from top to bottom have left FWC for reasons, and not just for money.
I feel hunting is not a high priority on fwcs agenda. Political masturbation IS.
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Post by wayvis on Jun 25, 2023 7:24:13 GMT -5
I still do not believe 68% were MERELY "satisfied", as you say. I am also particularly skeptical of any poll coming out of fwc... Good people, from top to bottom have left FWC for reasons, and not just for money. I feel hunting is not a high priority on fwcs agenda. Political masturbation IS. This was not just a poll coming out of FWC. This is from the telephone survey that is conducted by Responsive Management that is contracted by FWC to do the yearly telephone survey on deer harvest. Responsive Management does work for many state wildlife agencies. Believe what you like, but this is the best data available. I agree that there is too much politics, and the focus on hunting is not what it should be.
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Post by One Man Gang on Jun 25, 2023 8:34:48 GMT -5
Polls are easily designed to create a desired outcome. Such as- "Would you be in favor of being able to harvest 4 ducks of any species if the daily bag was reduced to 4? Don't laugh. That was a question in a waterfowl survey years ago, among other leading questions.... there are plenty of leading questions like that in any poll. I don't trust them much.
You can go ahead and believe what you want, while the rest of us all sit here and watch the habitat decline, the rules and red tape expand, and the access to hunt dwindle away because of the politics that are entrenched in our state game management agency... those are the facts. You can die on your sword defending the anonymous polls, while I watch what is really happening in the world with my own eyes. Don't take any of this the wrong way. It's not an attack on you. It's the simple truth to what is happening.
One last thing... the reporting system is a great concept, but don't think for a minute that it isn't be being abused to some (maybe a large) degree. As others have said, that info should be available with the touch of a button. It is not. How come? Frankly, there is no excuse.
There is an old saying at the poker table- "if after the first couple hands you haven't identified the patsy, you're it!"
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Post by joekat46 on Jun 25, 2023 11:33:47 GMT -5
Might as well run this into the ground. I lived nine years in western KY, still visit there, and have several KY "hunting buddies". I follow this states long established telecheck system closely. It is done right. With no hassle or having to call Cory or fill out a FOIA request I can view all harvest data for deer, turkey, and multiple other species (even bear - eek!). I simply put Kentucky Telecheck Harvest Results into Google and like magic I can get the continually updated telecheck harvest data throughout the state as well as the yearly totals for prior years. This will include all the WMAs as well county by county breakdowns. What a great tool to be able to see where the deer and turkey populations are trending. I have fun with the harvest by last name option. I can see how the YouTubers, who often try and hide exact locations, are really doing. There is NO legitimate reason any state with a working telecheck system can not do this. I am starting to wonder what Resource Management's roll is now that a viable telecheck system for Florida's main big game species is up and working? I'll post a picture of what the KY system will bring up as first option. If things go as usual it may post upside down. If you are logged in simply click it and it will flip (you must be logged in). This is only happening on this new forum. Oh well.
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Post by wayvis on Jun 25, 2023 16:22:55 GMT -5
Deer harvest numbers are looked at by deer managers as trend data, so you just can't jump from one survey to another. The deer harvest numbers reported by the telephone survey is much higher than what is being check under the deer reporting system. FWC will have to run the telephone survey for some time. They also can gather other info from a telephone survey.
As I said I agree that this data should be on their website. But until more hunters complain about it to Cory or even the commissioners, it seems to be a low priority.
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Post by joekat46 on Jun 25, 2023 17:54:15 GMT -5
Smoke and mirrors = job security for some. Lack of transparency = lack of trust in the entire system by many more. This current Special Op hunt debacle won't help restore confidence in the competence of those in charge. VERY disappointed that, at the very least, all the WMAS are still not included in the Harvest Results section on the FWC site. Lack of check stations was the prior excuse but with the mandatory call in system that is no longer valid. When information is hidden it becomes highly suspect.
Btw - since we have a FWC apologist on board please pass the word that I'll make sure this topic stays on the top of this section. I'll bump it until all are tired of seeing it. Having mandatory reporting and then hiding the results is pure arrogance.
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Post by wayvis on Jun 26, 2023 7:35:44 GMT -5
If your talking about me as an apologist for the FWC your why of base. I may have more of an open mind than some on here, but as you I believe many things need changing within the FWC and public land hunting. As with most government agencies if things like this are not getting done, it usually comes down to manpower or money not being allocated to get the job done.
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Post by ogbohica on Jun 26, 2023 8:55:09 GMT -5
i'll go with............ the numbers dont looks so good, therefore don't let em uut
BOHICA
PS for the record Wayvis, you may or may not remember the first survey conducted did not come out so well for FWC, so what did they do, re word the survey as OMG has said so as the results were much better. They even hired a firm to write the survey. I always used to say hit up the local Suwanne Swifty for more accurate survey info.
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Post by One Man Gang on Jun 26, 2023 9:43:11 GMT -5
i'll go with............ the numbers dont looks so good, therefore don't let em uut BOHICA PS for the record Wayvis, you may or may not remember the first survey conducted did not come out so well for FWC, so what did they do, re word the survey as OMG has said so as the results were much better. They even hired a firm to write the survey. I always used to say hit up the local Suwanne Swifty for more accurate survey info. Sadly, this sounds like the most reasonable explanation thus far.
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Post by joekat46 on Jun 26, 2023 12:46:48 GMT -5
I am hoping that something is resolved on this issue before November 1st. The month of November is when the spring turkey quota hunts applications take place. It would sure be nice if this springs harvest numbers were known for ALL the WMAs in the quota system. Without actually counting I believe more WMAs in the quota system do not have check stations or drop boxes than do so the success rate on these areas is only known to the secretive FWC personell with access to the non published data.
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Post by james14 on Jun 29, 2023 11:45:26 GMT -5
Before the online permit system changed a couple of years ago you could search by WMA, region, season, date range, and maybe more. It was great to be able to see how many deer were killed during on ABC WMA during the last week of October. You could identify trends in harvest numbers to make a determination regarding pressure or rut timing. Now, I can't find any way to access this info.
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Post by joekat46 on Jun 29, 2023 13:17:46 GMT -5
Sometimes the old saying "I smell a rat" comes to mind. There is no logical reason, now that mandatory reporting is in place, that we can not see the harvest numbers for ALL the WMAs. Simple as a list saying xxxWMA had three quota hunts in which 20 deer/turkey kills were reported by the 50 selected hunters. Since this has turned into my new pet peeve I looked at another state I am very familiar with that has tag and report. The Ohio DNR web site list the deer kill totals county by county and updates them weekly throughout the season.
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Post by wayvis on Jun 29, 2023 21:33:09 GMT -5
Its starting to sound like I need to invest in tin hats Actually I learned today that the license vender is supposed to put the harvest data on web site. Sad thing is that their contract was just renewed. So, who knows when it will get posted.
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