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Post by joekat46 on Jul 20, 2023 10:09:59 GMT -5
Wife told me a news flash on her computer said red grouper and amberjack as an emergency closure for recreational fisherman. Didn't see it. I'll look it up on the FWC site.
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Post by cadman on Jul 20, 2023 11:23:10 GMT -5
I did not know of the certificate. I will go online and apply. Thanks Cadman. Just go to where you buy a license and it is one of the options. You can even get it laminated for a few bucks. They also offer reef fish and other free over 65 permits there. |
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Post by Crkr 23 on Jul 20, 2023 11:45:49 GMT -5
I went to the FWC site and didn't see it. I went to my licence profile and I had it, guess I did it when I turned 65. That's part of getting old, CRS.
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Post by Crkr 23 on Jul 20, 2023 11:54:16 GMT -5
Fish Rules is a phone app that keeps you up to date on what the legal status is of what you're fishing for. You locate yourself on the map and it tells you what's legal at that particular place. It also has pictures of the fish to help in identification. You can download it to use if you run out of cell service.
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Post by richm on Jul 20, 2023 13:17:15 GMT -5
Fish Rules is a phone app that keeps you up to date on what the legal status is of what you're fishing for. You locate yourself on the map and it tells you what's legal at that particular place. It also has pictures of the fish to help in identification. You can download it to use if you run out of cell service. Yes, I have that one. Was considering heading to the gulf when they opened AJ fishing. Why I was asking. Looked at FWC and they still have August 1 opener. Will keep an eye on it. |
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Post by joekat46 on Jul 20, 2023 13:46:10 GMT -5
Good information here. Thanks.
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Post by swampdog on Jul 20, 2023 16:35:57 GMT -5
Thanks Cad for mentioning the exempt card. I got mine when I hit the magic age and it expires in about 20 years. I’m hoping to be around to renew it😉
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Post by joekat46 on Jul 20, 2023 17:22:36 GMT -5
Just in case any new 65er is confused as long as you are permanent resident you are an exempt. Most use a driver's license for proof. Be nice if this free certification Cad describes would be an annual renewable requirement. At least FWC would get reliable data.
Back of my mind is thinking there may be a 6 month permanent residency requirement for new arrivals involved but not sure but worth a quick look. I'm sure someone will know. Date on Declaration of Domicile maybe??
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Post by Stumpy on Jul 20, 2023 18:48:23 GMT -5
If your 65 and use the gooutdoorsflorida.com to apply for non exempt quota permits and such, you have the same user account number as when you were purchasing licenses. The FWC should be picking up your data from the web site. Reporting a harvest will also pick up your account number. The reef fish requirements also picks up your number and data. If you get checked by the game warden, your number is recorded. Don't think they don't know who is out there, they can run you tag and see your data. You can run but you can't hide from the data base police.
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Post by joekat46 on Jul 20, 2023 19:05:09 GMT -5
I doubt if they account for half the exempts. Move down from Ohio at age 65. Establish legal residency and go hunt a few no check station romp and stomp WMAs or private land. Unless successful for 🦌 or 🦃 nobody knows you were even there. Fishing freebies even worse for any accountability. Everybody needs a license even if it has to be a free one to keep everyone happy.
Undercounting actual hunter numbers would have the benefit of making the reported harvest statistics look better than they truly are. If an estimated 100 hunters claimed 20 🦌 in the call in system that's a 20% success rate. Not too bad. If the actual number hunting was really 200 hunters that 20 🦌 claimed is a 10% success rate. Pretty mediocre. If nothing else a great conspiracy theory. You can bet your butt those estimated hunter numbers aren't overestimated.
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Post by wayvis on Jul 20, 2023 22:00:29 GMT -5
I doubt if they account for half the exempts. Move down from Ohio at age 65. Establish legal residency and go hunt a few no check station romp and stomp WMAs or private land. Unless successful for 🦌 or 🦃 nobody knows you were even there. Fishing freebies even worse for any accountability. Everybody needs a license even if it has to be a free one to keep everyone happy. Undercounting actual hunter numbers would have the benefit of making the reported harvest statistics look better than they truly are. If an estimated 100 hunters claimed 20 🦌 in the call in system that's a 20% success rate. Not too bad. If the actual number hunting was really 200 hunters that 20 🦌 claimed is a 10% success rate. Pretty mediocre. If nothing else a great conspiracy theory. You can bet your butt those estimated hunter numbers aren't overestimated. Nice try but not cigar. The call-in system is used to report harvest. So, if 100 hunters called it they would be reporting 100 deer. Your way to hung up on counting every individual hunter and every deer that is harvested. It's never going to happen. It would be great if we could get 80% of hunters to report their harvest. All the data that's in the 2022-2023 survey comes from just 7,108 hunters that actually hunted deer. Responsive Management did 11,246 interviews, but only 7,108 hunters actually hunted deer. This indicates to me, and I may be wrong that 37% of license holders eligible to hunt deer did not. From these numbers and the total estimated deer hunter numbers of approximately 135,000 only about 8% of license deer hunters were interviewed. So other than to get fedral money there is no reason to count every hunter. "Responsive Management obtained the database of Florida deer hunters, including nonresidents, from the FWC, which consisted of any license that allowed deer hunting in the 2022-2023 seasons. (Note that Responsive Management deleted the database from its database system at the conclusion of the survey; Responsive Management does not maintain hunter license samples.) Responsive Management obtained 11,256 completed interviews with license holders eligible to hunt deer, of which 7,108 hunted deer. The analysis of data was performed using IBM SPSS Statistics as well as proprietary software developed by Responsive Management." |
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Post by joekat46 on Jul 21, 2023 10:28:22 GMT -5
Very easy to understand why undercounts of those hunting benefit FWC. Makes them look like they are doing a much better job than they actually are when including the now available harvest reports. True success ratio is the bottom line pure and simple.
Requiring everyone to have at least a free annual license would eliminate the need for Resourch Management and IBM super computers. I'm smelling some politics involved. Imagine that.
What does FWC budget for this Resource Management contract?? Being you are the undercover FWC/Resourch Management forum plant you should know. Lol😁
We aren't going to agree on this so take the last word.
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Post by saltybum on Jul 21, 2023 13:39:39 GMT -5
I've been exempt for four years now and every year go down the list of management areas checking harvest reports and the vast majority are "NO EXEMPTIONS" get in the lottery like everybody else. The ones that allow exempt hunters are either too far away for me or woods I have no desire to be in during a deer season with the idiots out there. I've call FWC and inquired about possibly gaining points when not drawn being a 100% disabled vet who might have too many chances left to get drawn for a hunt. Truth is they really don't care me thinks. I've been living in central Florida since 1955 and hate what this beautiful state has become. Glad I got to enjoy it when was still pretty wild.
As mentioned earlier about reporting harvest along with poachers. IF YOU DON"T REPORT VIOLATORS YOU"RE NO BETTER TAHN THEY ARE! Chicken shit in my opinion. I currently have eight FWC numbers (half are officers personal numbers) saved in my phone depending on where I am and will report scum bags in a heart beat. They are thieves and should be treated as such.
I don't agree with a lot of the hunting or fishing regs. asw most are too little for too long and then too much too late. Except red snapper which is political corruption period.
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Post by joekat46 on Jul 21, 2023 14:52:01 GMT -5
I'm almost 77 and should have 7 preference points for next turkey season. I'm hoping to make a good choice since I'm realistic to know my quota days are numbered when these 7 points are exhausted. The redraw system needs a definite tweaking but I'm betting that never happens. Good luck 👍
Add - I have mixed feelings on the No Exemption WMAs. Before I earned my exempt status I would never apply for a WMA that allowed exempts. Greedy I guess. Using points on a WMA and not knowing how many would be there seemed like a shot in the dark.
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Post by wayvis on Jul 21, 2023 20:58:00 GMT -5
Just for you Joekat   |
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Post by walkerdog on Jul 23, 2023 17:22:32 GMT -5
Resident fees in almost all states are ridiculous low so it shouldn't even be a consideration. Before I turned 65 I bought the annual Gold Sportsman for about $100.00. Offer a senior Gold Sportsman for about $25.00 and it would be a good deal for all concerned. Give Ron D and Niki F something else to argue about. Nothing harder to eliminate than a supposed entitlement. Why the heck are your bitching about exempt hunters and the perks they get when 65 and older, when you your self are over 65 and can enjoy being exempt from license fees and some of the quota requirements. wtf? As far as non residents over 65, they are still required to purchase license to hunt and fish. If you want make an impact, raise their turkey permit fees. Take it out on them, don't take it out on residents over 65 who received a benefit from the State of Florida. The impact of raising NR fees would be something, but probably not as significant as you imagine. Making a reduced fee license for 65+ would likely be quite a bit larger revenue stream. I think it’s a great idea. Make it cheap but not free. But it will never happen, because too many old folks would squawk until the cows come home and AARP would throw a fit. |
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Post by walkerdog on Jul 23, 2023 17:38:59 GMT -5
Very easy to understand why undercounts of those hunting benefit FWC. Makes them look like they are doing a much better job than they actually are when including the now available harvest reports. True success ratio is the bottom line pure and simple. Requiring everyone to have at least a free annual license would eliminate the need for Resourch Management and IBM super computers. I'm smelling some politics involved. Imagine that. What does FWC budget for this Resource Management contract?? Being you are the undercover FWC/Resourch Management forum plant you should know. Lol😁 We aren't going to agree on this so take the last word. Wayne? A plant? 🤣🤣🤣 Clearly, you’re not acquainted with Wayne. Even if all you’d ever done was read his posts on the old forum, you should be better informed about his feelings on the subject than you seem to be. Imagine that! Accusing someone you don’t know anything about of being a plant!🙄 |
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Post by joekat46 on Jul 23, 2023 17:50:21 GMT -5
I'm so ashamed. 😱
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Post by wayvis on Jul 24, 2023 9:23:37 GMT -5
Not sure if this is tongue in cheek.......doesn't really matter cause I'm an old fart just like you and have thick skin.  |
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Post by joekat46 on Jul 24, 2023 12:28:52 GMT -5
Of course it was tongue in cheek. I wasn't the least bit embarrassed.  |
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Post by wayvis on Jul 24, 2023 14:21:12 GMT -5
Yea that's what I figured. Your too old and set in your ways to be embarrassed.  |
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Post by Stumpy on Jul 24, 2023 15:48:21 GMT -5
The impact of raising NR fees would be something, but probably not as significant as you imagine. Making a reduced fee license for 65+ would likely be quite a bit larger revenue stream. I think it’s a great idea. Make it cheap but not free. But it will never happen, because too many old folks would squawk until the cows come home and AARP would throw a fit. If there a need for an increase in revenue, then let the fwc make the hikers, horse back riders, dog walker jeep driving Joe public buy a management stamp until there're 65 years old. Buy the way a $400 non resident turkey stamp is what the fwc should be charging for Osceola hunts. |
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Post by swampdog on Jul 24, 2023 16:05:02 GMT -5
We simply need a reciprocity fee so all the NRs (we and they) pay the fair amount. Tons of NR folks come here in the winter to fill their freezers with fish and in the spring to fill their Osceola tag.
Our elected folks think they spend tons of money on tourist attractions and buying food and eating out, so they believe the entire economy benefits. Not sure about this, but we spend on food and restaurants when we hunt/fish other states.
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Post by joekat46 on Jul 24, 2023 17:57:52 GMT -5
A few states tried the receprocy route and by the time they were done trying to one up each other it had become a joke. At the very least Florida should not allow the cheap 10 day non-res license eligible to purchase the turkey license. I have yet to find another state that does this.
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Post by joekat46 on Jul 24, 2023 18:07:55 GMT -5
Yea that's what I figured. Your too old and set in your ways to be embarrassed. Usually when someone adds LOL and a smiley face at the end of a sentence it is understood it is tongue in cheek. Sometimes you old geezers need instructions in this modern forum stuff. Lol 😂. |
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Post by meateater on Jul 25, 2023 10:20:34 GMT -5
The impact of raising NR fees would be something, but probably not as significant as you imagine. Making a reduced fee license for 65+ would likely be quite a bit larger revenue stream. I think it’s a great idea. Make it cheap but not free. But it will never happen, because too many old folks would squawk until the cows come home and AARP would throw a fit. If there a need for an increase in revenue, then let the fwc make the hikers, horse back riders, dog walker jeep driving Joe public buy a management stamp until there're 65 years old. Buy the way a $400 non resident turkey stamp is what the fwc should be charging for Osceola hunts. where are all these old farts hunting for free,, cause i never see them , deer or turkey season. |
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Post by swampdog on Jul 25, 2023 11:55:30 GMT -5
Oh but I’ve seen you meat. The older I’ve gotten the more ninja I’ve become. For example I saw you driving out of the woods the other day as I was driving in. Okay, so I slept in and went late…😉
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Post by wayvis on Jul 26, 2023 14:30:15 GMT -5
Maybe Joekat can inform us on where they all hunt. As for me I hunt on a lease. No opened WMA closer to me than 45 miles. Don't care about spending 2 hours on the road every time I hunt, which is 4-5 times a week. Couldn't stand to only hunter a local WMA a few days every 4-6 years. I don't even apply for quota hunts. |
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Post by joekat46 on Jul 27, 2023 6:29:49 GMT -5
I'll bet he could "guess" but he might think this subject had been run into the ground so he probably won't. Rumor is he lives within 5 miles of a new WMA so he is concerned with FWC's lack of transparency on several issues such as true harvest statistics and true hunter numbers. He often wonders who verifies what this Resource Management company spouts as gospel. Maybe they make very expensive "guesses" also - but they do use a big computer.
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Post by JS84 on Jul 27, 2023 8:16:54 GMT -5
Yall crack me up. Thank you for the good info Cad on the except license/card. Stumpy is also spot on about the Database police and the linkable customer information.
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