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Post by nuthinfancy on Jun 5, 2024 12:38:11 GMT -5
I was flipping through some WMA brochures this morning for some areas I intend to bowhunt this fall, checking the season dates and such when a certain regulation stuck out to me in the Corbett regs. The rules state that hunting with archery gear is prohibited during the muzzleloader season, unless you’re in their little designated bow hunting area. I sat for a bit trying to figure their basis for such a rule and came up empty. So naturally I dialed up the regional office to get an answer. Got passed to 3 different individuals, including one who is an onsite staff for Corbett specifically. They all confirmed that is in fact the rule, but all admitted to being clueless regarding the reason. “Rules are rules” was the answer one guy gave. I asked him how much the ticket would cost and he wouldn’t give me an answer. Anyway, have another person that’ll call tomorrow to hopefully give me a legitimate answer but I have my doubts.
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Post by meateater on Jun 5, 2024 13:50:31 GMT -5
maybe to control the number of felons hunting during muzzleloader and gen gun seasons  that rule has never been enforced 1 time in last 25 years. if you can hunt during the week archery only area is pretty good. |
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Post by Glenn on Jun 5, 2024 14:14:03 GMT -5
I was flipping through some WMA brochures this morning for some areas I intend to bowhunt this fall, checking the season dates and such when a certain regulation stuck out to me in the Corbett regs. The rules state that hunting with archery gear is prohibited during the muzzleloader season, unless you’re in their little designated bow hunting area. I sat for a bit trying to figure their basis for such a rule and came up empty. So naturally I dialed up the regional office to get an answer. Got passed to 3 different individuals, including one who is an onsite staff for Corbett specifically. They all confirmed that is in fact the rule, but all admitted to being clueless regarding the reason. “Rules are rules” was the answer one guy gave. I asked him how much the ticket would cost and he wouldn’t give me an answer. Anyway, have another person that’ll call tomorrow to hopefully give me a legitimate answer but I have my doubts. You have to remember that 95% of employees at FWC are not hunters nor do they know anything about hunting regulations. Those rules were set back when a muzzleloader season was established and that had to be in the 80’s. |
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Post by ogbohica on Jun 5, 2024 17:01:51 GMT -5
Has nothing to do with managing game rather people... BOHICA
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Post by richm on Jun 6, 2024 5:58:59 GMT -5
What's the big deal? It is ML season. Racism at it's finest. You probably hate Xbows too.  |
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Post by JS84 on Jun 6, 2024 6:48:44 GMT -5
All bows matter
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Post by tampaspicer on Jun 6, 2024 8:09:58 GMT -5
Would be nice if some of the water management properties were open to archery only. Cypress Creek in Pasco county would be a nice one and a good example. It's accessible with plenty of trails for bikes. It has a couple of paved trails(single lane for a vehicle and nice shell roads). Lots of game in there too.
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Post by One Man Gang on Jun 6, 2024 9:32:16 GMT -5
The WMDs are either anti hunting, or gravitating towards a anti hunting sentiment. They only give what they have to.
The only recreation they care about are equine activities and killing hogs so the horse people don't have to dodge rutted up trails.
Use hog hunting as a means to get a foot in the door for hunting access on your WMD lands. In the meantime, here's your public service announcement: Abide by the current rules in place and work to have them changed if you don't like them. Don't fuck it up for me or give them reasons to throttle back on my access or opportunities. If you fuck it up for me, you're fucking it up for yourselves.
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Post by wildman on Jun 6, 2024 9:35:15 GMT -5
The answer I got in the past was that Muzzleloader hunters didn't want Archery hunters using up available quota permits, increased crowding/hunting pressure, etc. Don't necessarily agree with it, but often the "squeaky wheel gets the grease."
Sometimes hunters can be their own worst enemies. As I understand it, when quota hunts were first established it was because hunters were complaining about too much hunting pressure/crowding on the WMAs. Look where that got us these days...
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Post by tampaspicer on Jun 6, 2024 9:39:18 GMT -5
In the past when I had hog dogs I would take them on walks in WMD land. Sometime dogs do dog things and get away from you.  |
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Post by meateater on Jun 6, 2024 9:51:08 GMT -5
The answer I got in the past was that Muzzleloader hunters didn't want Archery hunters using up available quota permits, increased crowding/hunting pressure, etc. Don't necessarily agree with it, but often the "squeaky wheel gets the grease." Sometimes hunters can be their own worst enemies. As I understand it, when quota hunts were first established it was because hunters were complaining about too much hunting pressure/crowding on the WMAs. Look where that got us these days... corbett is no quota, no reason for this rule. on quota only areas i 100% agree no bowhunters during blackpowder season. |
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Post by richm on Jun 6, 2024 9:52:32 GMT -5
The answer I got in the past was that Muzzleloader hunters didn't want Archery hunters using up available quota permits, increased crowding/hunting pressure, etc. Don't necessarily agree with it, but often the "squeaky wheel gets the grease." Sometimes hunters can be their own worst enemies. As I understand it, when quota hunts were first established it was because hunters were complaining about too much hunting pressure/crowding on the WMAs. Look where that got us these days... I did like it when they went non-transferrable on the permits. Allowed me to hunt a few places, and get threatened for being in "Joe's spot". Public land at its finest. It has calmed down a bit and the guest slot is nice so you can at least share hunts if you want to. |
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Post by meateater on Jun 6, 2024 9:56:15 GMT -5
oh the reason on quota only places is theres a much larger group of self righteous tools who are to great of a hunter to use a muzzleloader or rifle , if they were allowed to get a quota/permit it would take away chances from guys who dont use bows.
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Post by meateater on Jun 6, 2024 10:09:32 GMT -5
The answer I got in the past was that Muzzleloader hunters didn't want Archery hunters using up available quota permits, increased crowding/hunting pressure, etc. Don't necessarily agree with it, but often the "squeaky wheel gets the grease." Sometimes hunters can be their own worst enemies. As I understand it, when quota hunts were first established it was because hunters were complaining about too much hunting pressure/crowding on the WMAs. Look where that got us these days... I did like it when they went non-transferrable on the permits. Allowed me to hunt a few places, and get threatened for being in "Joe's spot". Public land at its finest. It has calmed down a bit and the guest slot is nice so you can at least share hunts if you want to. next time your at a decent wma , you know every 4 years on average ask the check station attendent or check the sign in book, how many hunters showed up to hunt. last year at ok slough for a hunt i was the guest 33 total no shows on saturday, 13 people hunting monday, cant remember if permit was good on tuesday but sure that number was less then monday. 125 permits given out , 33 wasted, 13 hunters on monday. over half the hunters leave by noon on sunday, so much wasted hunting opportunities for others thats what non transferable did. it was ok 15 years ago or whenever it started but today it sucks, unless you dont mind hunting a decent place every 4 years. |
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Post by james14 on Jun 6, 2024 12:01:05 GMT -5
The answer I got in the past was that Muzzleloader hunters didn't want Archery hunters using up available quota permits, increased crowding/hunting pressure, etc. Don't necessarily agree with it, but often the "squeaky wheel gets the grease." Sometimes hunters can be their own worst enemies. As I understand it, when quota hunts were first established it was because hunters were complaining about too much hunting pressure/crowding on the WMAs. Look where that got us these days... corbett is no quota, no reason for this rule. on quota only areas i 100% agree no bowhunters during blackpowder season. So, it's not just about the quotas, but the overall usage of the land. |
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Post by richm on Jun 6, 2024 12:44:04 GMT -5
I did like it when they went non-transferrable on the permits. Allowed me to hunt a few places, and get threatened for being in "Joe's spot". Public land at its finest. It has calmed down a bit and the guest slot is nice so you can at least share hunts if you want to. next time your at a decent wma , you know every 4 years on average ask the check station attendent or check the sign in book, how many hunters showed up to hunt. last year at ok slough for a hunt i was the guest 33 total no shows on saturday, 13 people hunting monday, cant remember if permit was good on tuesday but sure that number was less then monday. 125 permits given out , 33 wasted, 13 hunters on monday. over half the hunters leave by noon on sunday, so much wasted hunting opportunities for others thats what non transferable did. it was ok 15 years ago or whenever it started but today it sucks, unless you dont mind hunting a decent place every 4 years. But But But - they have the turn your tag back if you aren't going thing. Guys i know get tags doing that and appreciate it. Opportunity to hunt tags others aren't gonna use? Then we have the guest portion of each permit. You can share w others, and that provides more opportunity. I'm old and don't worry much about what others do, or ifs and maybes. If someone wants to burn 4 pts and not show up - that's his problem, not yours. If they make it transferrable, you'll need to be in line 3 days before the hunt to wait for the permit when the guy gives up. Lotsa desperados out there who feel it is worth the effort. |
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Post by meateater on Jun 6, 2024 12:44:17 GMT -5
i dont know why corbett would have that rule, there are no quotas for anything at corbett, YET.
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Post by meateater on Jun 6, 2024 12:54:35 GMT -5
next time your at a decent wma , you know every 4 years on average ask the check station attendent or check the sign in book, how many hunters showed up to hunt. last year at ok slough for a hunt i was the guest 33 total no shows on saturday, 13 people hunting monday, cant remember if permit was good on tuesday but sure that number was less then monday. 125 permits given out , 33 wasted, 13 hunters on monday. over half the hunters leave by noon on sunday, so much wasted hunting opportunities for others thats what non transferable did. it was ok 15 years ago or whenever it started but today it sucks, unless you dont mind hunting a decent place every 4 years. But But But - they have the turn your tag back if you aren't going thing. Guys i know get tags doing that and appreciate it. Opportunity to hunt tags others aren't gonna use? Then we have the guest portion of each permit. You can share w others, and that provides more opportunity. I'm old and don't worry much about what others do, or ifs and maybes. If someone wants to burn 4 pts and not show up - that's his problem, not yours. If they make it transferrable, you'll need to be in line 3 days before the hunt to wait for the permit when the guy gives up. Lotsa desperados out there who feel it is worth the effort. i hunted dinner island every year any hunt i wanted, same for the slough and a couple others. pull up to check station sunday morning 10am with coffee and donuts or a six pack depending on who was working it. by noon at least a dozen hunters where checking out and not coming back, get there permit and hunt sunday afternoon then depending on work schudule hunt monday and tuesday mornings or afternoons. this wasnt perfect but waaaayyyyyyyy better then once every 4 or 5 years. its actually harder today to get a permit vs when they were transferable. |
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Post by pinman on Jun 6, 2024 14:33:02 GMT -5
Quota permits suck. There are too many areas quota only and they keep making non-quota areas into quota areas! Not enough days on the ones that exist and the number given out needs to be increased to account more for no-shows. Transferable Quotas were ruined by a few greedy individuals.
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Post by One Man Gang on Jun 6, 2024 15:16:23 GMT -5
i dont know why corbett would have that rule, there are no quotas for anything at corbett, YET. Corbett actually used to have 1500 quotas for the 1st 9 days of general gun. Thankfully we got that thrown out "long" ago. It also had shoulder height restrictions on hogs. We used to be able to kill does through most of archery season too.(Just a little FYI and history for everyone) Some rules are good and necessary but most of the latest, restrictive rule making (including the quota system) just makes it unpalatable to bother with public hunting. |
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Post by richm on Jun 6, 2024 19:28:47 GMT -5
i dont know why corbett would have that rule, there are no quotas for anything at corbett, YET. Corbett actually used to have 1500 quotas for the 1st 9 days of general gun. Thankfully we got that thrown out "long" ago. It also had shoulder height restrictions on hogs. We used to be able to kill does through most of archery season too.(Just a little FYI and history for everyone) Some rules are good and necessary but most of the latest, restrictive rule making (including the quota system) just makes it unpalatable to bother with public hunting. Pretty much. That’s where I’m at. Youall talk permits and areas. Where i came from we just hunted. No permits no quotas. Then i came down here and couldnt get into the public game due to the gamers. Did 2 FL leases, a couple GA and a SC. Back to this shitty system we have. It has me as a casual hunter. If you fight to hunt as many days as you can down here i do think you are over-exuberant. But we all gotta do something. |
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Post by nuthinfancy on Jun 7, 2024 8:20:13 GMT -5
Quota permits suck. There are too many areas quota only and they keep making non-quota areas into quota areas! Not enough days on the ones that exist and the number given out needs to be increased to account more for no-shows. Transferable Quotas were ruined by a few greedy individuals. There are several areas that have me scratching my head as to why they are quota. Hungryland for example. Who wants to wait 3 years to hunt that place?? Should most definitely be a walk in no quota area. For some spots the quota premise does make sense just based on the layout of the land. Dinner island or Allapattah for example are 75 percent open fields. Imagine a no quota general gun hunt out there with all the yahoos running around nowadays. Still shouldn’t have to wait 4-6 years though. There’s gotta be a better way. |
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Post by richm on Jun 7, 2024 10:03:51 GMT -5
Quota permits suck. There are too many areas quota only and they keep making non-quota areas into quota areas! Not enough days on the ones that exist and the number given out needs to be increased to account more for no-shows. Transferable Quotas were ruined by a few greedy individuals. There are several areas that have me scratching my head as to why they are quota. Hungryland for example. Who wants to wait 3 years to hunt that place?? Should most definitely be a walk in no quota area. For some spots the quota premise does make sense just based on the layout of the land. Dinner island or Allapattah for example are 75 percent open fields. Imagine a no quota general gun hunt out there with all the yahoos running around nowadays. Still shouldn’t have to wait 4-6 years though. There’s gotta be a better way. If you do figure it out, FWC wouldn't do it. Just some long lines to hunt these places. |
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Post by pinman on Jun 7, 2024 18:17:34 GMT -5
Ive always said "5 deer tags per deer permit purchased, 4 turkey tags per Turkey tag purchased. Then open "the people's land to the people". It sounds like a crazy idea. In the short term it is crazy. The good areas that are now quota only would get absolutely hammered. But the romp-n-stomps would go practically untouched. For a decade or more this would go on. Then slowly everything would even out. All those areas would be the same. There would be no more hard to hunt romp-n-stomps and no more game everywhere "zoo" get it every 5 years quota areas. The best part is most would hunt close to where they live. They would learn a piece of land. Learn woodsmanship instead of a 3 day brawl to get something. They would actually learn how to "hunt", which is a common complaint I hear often in the hunting world. How can someone learn to hunt on a 3 day quota? They might scout prior or maybe mess someone elses hunt up by scouting during hunts. But if its an all season thing, there is commitment. I know, its a crazy concept, especially for a populated state like FLA. Personally I just want the OPPORTUNITY to go hunt. The rest of it..... Ill take care of.
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Post by walkerdog on Jun 7, 2024 19:12:55 GMT -5
Taking an area that currently has at least a moderate amount of management of the resource happening on it and “hammering it” until it’s “like the romp and stomps”.
Sadly, management for the lowest common denominator is the definition of the Tragedy of the Commons.
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Post by pinman on Jun 7, 2024 19:47:04 GMT -5
Taking an area that currently has at least a moderate amount of management of the resource happening on it and “hammering it” until it’s “like the romp and stomps”. Sadly, management for the lowest common denominator is the definition of the Tragedy of the Commons. No, I think you misunderstood. The Romp-n-stomps come up because everyone concentrates (even if its temporary) on the "better" areas. They eventually even out because the romp-n-stomps experience less pressure. It may be my own personal preference but Id prefer to have just the OPPORTUNITY to go out and hunt. Because it sucks to be stuck at home on a gorgeous 50 degree morning in March because I dont have a quota permit and the romp-n-stomp is only open Sat/Sun/Wed. Hunting should be about what you can make of it....not what the government allows you... |
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Post by walkerdog on Jun 7, 2024 20:05:57 GMT -5
If only that was how things would work out.
The problem isn’t too many quota areas. It’s too many closed public lands that used to be hunted when they were privately owned.
Between the state buying almost all the native ground and shutting down access, and development continuing to eat away at the private lands as time goes on, there are just fewer and fewer acres available to squeeze hunters on to every year.
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Post by pinman on Jun 7, 2024 20:20:44 GMT -5
If only that was how things would work out. The problem isn’t too many quota areas. It’s too many closed public lands that used to be hunted when they were privately owned. Between the state buying almost all the native ground and shutting down access, and development continuing to eat away at the private lands as time goes on, there are just fewer and fewer acres available to squeeze hunters on to every year. That too. Call me crazy but I just want to go hunt. I can find my way around the masses, even on the romp-n-stomps. The only thing I cant do is get in when it is closed off. |
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Post by TRTerror on Jun 7, 2024 20:43:06 GMT -5
As I've said before...
I feel for you guys , I grew up hunting prime Florida land for free or cheap.
Never applied for a Quota in my entire life.
I saw the writing on the wall in Big Cypress and areas close by and bought a hunting Camp in West Central.
$ 1,500 a year and 93 Thousand acres start at my back fence. I hunt 4 or 5 days a week.
You folks need to drive or move...or take up Golf.
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Post by pinman on Jun 7, 2024 21:19:02 GMT -5
As I've said before... I feel for you guys , I grew up hunting prime Florida land for free or cheap. Never applied for a Quota in my entire life. I saw the writing on the wall in Big Cypress and areas close by and bought a hunting Camp in West Central. $ 1,500 a year and 93 Thousand acres start at my back fence. I hunt 4 or 5 days a week. You folks need to drive or move...or take up Golf. Funny you mention golf cause I kid with my hunting buddies all the time about that. "Lets take up golf". Answer is usually "Nah!". LOL. I remember SFla when it was still "free". Didnt Deer hunt public land but Duck hunted Lake Okeechobee starting about 1978. Camped on the end of Indian Prairie canal with a bunch of older guys from places like TN and MS who showed us youngsters the ropes. A couple of motor homes, a few campers and a 35 foot Trawler driven through the big ditch and locks was the base for hunts. No one cared and if you were willing to endure the 2 miles of washouts and ruts to drive down the dike it was there for the taking. Some of our mentors stayed all season and our boats were left in the ditch so us weekend warriors could show up Friday with gas, beer, and steaks. Ducks were all over the place. But some of the most enjoyable times were around the campfire and antics that ensued. A big steak. A big fire. An iced Jack and Coke. Then listen to the frogs croak all night....man Id love to go back and hear them sing once again.....but its all been shut down. Cant even drive there anymore let alone camp there. "The times they are a changin". Isnt that what the song says..... |
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that rule has never been enforced 1 time in last 25 years. if you can hunt during the week archery only area is pretty good.
