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Post by richm on Jun 6, 2024 12:44:04 GMT -5
I did like it when they went non-transferrable on the permits. Allowed me to hunt a few places, and get threatened for being in "Joe's spot". Public land at its finest. It has calmed down a bit and the guest slot is nice so you can at least share hunts if you want to. next time your at a decent wma , you know every 4 years on average ask the check station attendent or check the sign in book, how many hunters showed up to hunt. last year at ok slough for a hunt i was the guest 33 total no shows on saturday, 13 people hunting monday, cant remember if permit was good on tuesday but sure that number was less then monday. 125 permits given out , 33 wasted, 13 hunters on monday. over half the hunters leave by noon on sunday, so much wasted hunting opportunities for others thats what non transferable did. it was ok 15 years ago or whenever it started but today it sucks, unless you dont mind hunting a decent place every 4 years. But But But - they have the turn your tag back if you aren't going thing. Guys i know get tags doing that and appreciate it. Opportunity to hunt tags others aren't gonna use? Then we have the guest portion of each permit. You can share w others, and that provides more opportunity. I'm old and don't worry much about what others do, or ifs and maybes. If someone wants to burn 4 pts and not show up - that's his problem, not yours. If they make it transferrable, you'll need to be in line 3 days before the hunt to wait for the permit when the guy gives up. Lotsa desperados out there who feel it is worth the effort. |
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Post by meateater on Jun 6, 2024 12:44:17 GMT -5
i dont know why corbett would have that rule, there are no quotas for anything at corbett, YET.
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Post by meateater on Jun 6, 2024 12:54:35 GMT -5
next time your at a decent wma , you know every 4 years on average ask the check station attendent or check the sign in book, how many hunters showed up to hunt. last year at ok slough for a hunt i was the guest 33 total no shows on saturday, 13 people hunting monday, cant remember if permit was good on tuesday but sure that number was less then monday. 125 permits given out , 33 wasted, 13 hunters on monday. over half the hunters leave by noon on sunday, so much wasted hunting opportunities for others thats what non transferable did. it was ok 15 years ago or whenever it started but today it sucks, unless you dont mind hunting a decent place every 4 years. But But But - they have the turn your tag back if you aren't going thing. Guys i know get tags doing that and appreciate it. Opportunity to hunt tags others aren't gonna use? Then we have the guest portion of each permit. You can share w others, and that provides more opportunity. I'm old and don't worry much about what others do, or ifs and maybes. If someone wants to burn 4 pts and not show up - that's his problem, not yours. If they make it transferrable, you'll need to be in line 3 days before the hunt to wait for the permit when the guy gives up. Lotsa desperados out there who feel it is worth the effort. i hunted dinner island every year any hunt i wanted, same for the slough and a couple others. pull up to check station sunday morning 10am with coffee and donuts or a six pack depending on who was working it. by noon at least a dozen hunters where checking out and not coming back, get there permit and hunt sunday afternoon then depending on work schudule hunt monday and tuesday mornings or afternoons. this wasnt perfect but waaaayyyyyyyy better then once every 4 or 5 years. its actually harder today to get a permit vs when they were transferable. |
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Post by pinman on Jun 6, 2024 14:33:02 GMT -5
Quota permits suck. There are too many areas quota only and they keep making non-quota areas into quota areas! Not enough days on the ones that exist and the number given out needs to be increased to account more for no-shows. Transferable Quotas were ruined by a few greedy individuals.
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Post by One Man Gang on Jun 6, 2024 15:16:23 GMT -5
i dont know why corbett would have that rule, there are no quotas for anything at corbett, YET. Corbett actually used to have 1500 quotas for the 1st 9 days of general gun. Thankfully we got that thrown out "long" ago. It also had shoulder height restrictions on hogs. We used to be able to kill does through most of archery season too.(Just a little FYI and history for everyone) Some rules are good and necessary but most of the latest, restrictive rule making (including the quota system) just makes it unpalatable to bother with public hunting. |
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Post by richm on Jun 6, 2024 19:28:47 GMT -5
i dont know why corbett would have that rule, there are no quotas for anything at corbett, YET. Corbett actually used to have 1500 quotas for the 1st 9 days of general gun. Thankfully we got that thrown out "long" ago. It also had shoulder height restrictions on hogs. We used to be able to kill does through most of archery season too.(Just a little FYI and history for everyone) Some rules are good and necessary but most of the latest, restrictive rule making (including the quota system) just makes it unpalatable to bother with public hunting. Pretty much. That’s where I’m at. Youall talk permits and areas. Where i came from we just hunted. No permits no quotas. Then i came down here and couldnt get into the public game due to the gamers. Did 2 FL leases, a couple GA and a SC. Back to this shitty system we have. It has me as a casual hunter. If you fight to hunt as many days as you can down here i do think you are over-exuberant. But we all gotta do something. |
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Post by nuthinfancy on Jun 7, 2024 8:20:13 GMT -5
Quota permits suck. There are too many areas quota only and they keep making non-quota areas into quota areas! Not enough days on the ones that exist and the number given out needs to be increased to account more for no-shows. Transferable Quotas were ruined by a few greedy individuals. There are several areas that have me scratching my head as to why they are quota. Hungryland for example. Who wants to wait 3 years to hunt that place?? Should most definitely be a walk in no quota area. For some spots the quota premise does make sense just based on the layout of the land. Dinner island or Allapattah for example are 75 percent open fields. Imagine a no quota general gun hunt out there with all the yahoos running around nowadays. Still shouldn’t have to wait 4-6 years though. There’s gotta be a better way. |
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Post by richm on Jun 7, 2024 10:03:51 GMT -5
Quota permits suck. There are too many areas quota only and they keep making non-quota areas into quota areas! Not enough days on the ones that exist and the number given out needs to be increased to account more for no-shows. Transferable Quotas were ruined by a few greedy individuals. There are several areas that have me scratching my head as to why they are quota. Hungryland for example. Who wants to wait 3 years to hunt that place?? Should most definitely be a walk in no quota area. For some spots the quota premise does make sense just based on the layout of the land. Dinner island or Allapattah for example are 75 percent open fields. Imagine a no quota general gun hunt out there with all the yahoos running around nowadays. Still shouldn’t have to wait 4-6 years though. There’s gotta be a better way. If you do figure it out, FWC wouldn't do it. Just some long lines to hunt these places. |
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Post by pinman on Jun 7, 2024 18:17:34 GMT -5
Ive always said "5 deer tags per deer permit purchased, 4 turkey tags per Turkey tag purchased. Then open "the people's land to the people". It sounds like a crazy idea. In the short term it is crazy. The good areas that are now quota only would get absolutely hammered. But the romp-n-stomps would go practically untouched. For a decade or more this would go on. Then slowly everything would even out. All those areas would be the same. There would be no more hard to hunt romp-n-stomps and no more game everywhere "zoo" get it every 5 years quota areas. The best part is most would hunt close to where they live. They would learn a piece of land. Learn woodsmanship instead of a 3 day brawl to get something. They would actually learn how to "hunt", which is a common complaint I hear often in the hunting world. How can someone learn to hunt on a 3 day quota? They might scout prior or maybe mess someone elses hunt up by scouting during hunts. But if its an all season thing, there is commitment. I know, its a crazy concept, especially for a populated state like FLA. Personally I just want the OPPORTUNITY to go hunt. The rest of it..... Ill take care of.
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Post by walkerdog on Jun 7, 2024 19:12:55 GMT -5
Taking an area that currently has at least a moderate amount of management of the resource happening on it and “hammering it” until it’s “like the romp and stomps”.
Sadly, management for the lowest common denominator is the definition of the Tragedy of the Commons.
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Post by pinman on Jun 7, 2024 19:47:04 GMT -5
Taking an area that currently has at least a moderate amount of management of the resource happening on it and “hammering it” until it’s “like the romp and stomps”. Sadly, management for the lowest common denominator is the definition of the Tragedy of the Commons. No, I think you misunderstood. The Romp-n-stomps come up because everyone concentrates (even if its temporary) on the "better" areas. They eventually even out because the romp-n-stomps experience less pressure. It may be my own personal preference but Id prefer to have just the OPPORTUNITY to go out and hunt. Because it sucks to be stuck at home on a gorgeous 50 degree morning in March because I dont have a quota permit and the romp-n-stomp is only open Sat/Sun/Wed. Hunting should be about what you can make of it....not what the government allows you... |
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Post by walkerdog on Jun 7, 2024 20:05:57 GMT -5
If only that was how things would work out.
The problem isn’t too many quota areas. It’s too many closed public lands that used to be hunted when they were privately owned.
Between the state buying almost all the native ground and shutting down access, and development continuing to eat away at the private lands as time goes on, there are just fewer and fewer acres available to squeeze hunters on to every year.
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Post by pinman on Jun 7, 2024 20:20:44 GMT -5
If only that was how things would work out. The problem isn’t too many quota areas. It’s too many closed public lands that used to be hunted when they were privately owned. Between the state buying almost all the native ground and shutting down access, and development continuing to eat away at the private lands as time goes on, there are just fewer and fewer acres available to squeeze hunters on to every year. That too. Call me crazy but I just want to go hunt. I can find my way around the masses, even on the romp-n-stomps. The only thing I cant do is get in when it is closed off. |
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Post by TRTerror on Jun 7, 2024 20:43:06 GMT -5
As I've said before...
I feel for you guys , I grew up hunting prime Florida land for free or cheap.
Never applied for a Quota in my entire life.
I saw the writing on the wall in Big Cypress and areas close by and bought a hunting Camp in West Central.
$ 1,500 a year and 93 Thousand acres start at my back fence. I hunt 4 or 5 days a week.
You folks need to drive or move...or take up Golf.
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Post by pinman on Jun 7, 2024 21:19:02 GMT -5
As I've said before... I feel for you guys , I grew up hunting prime Florida land for free or cheap. Never applied for a Quota in my entire life. I saw the writing on the wall in Big Cypress and areas close by and bought a hunting Camp in West Central. $ 1,500 a year and 93 Thousand acres start at my back fence. I hunt 4 or 5 days a week. You folks need to drive or move...or take up Golf. Funny you mention golf cause I kid with my hunting buddies all the time about that. "Lets take up golf". Answer is usually "Nah!". LOL. I remember SFla when it was still "free". Didnt Deer hunt public land but Duck hunted Lake Okeechobee starting about 1978. Camped on the end of Indian Prairie canal with a bunch of older guys from places like TN and MS who showed us youngsters the ropes. A couple of motor homes, a few campers and a 35 foot Trawler driven through the big ditch and locks was the base for hunts. No one cared and if you were willing to endure the 2 miles of washouts and ruts to drive down the dike it was there for the taking. Some of our mentors stayed all season and our boats were left in the ditch so us weekend warriors could show up Friday with gas, beer, and steaks. Ducks were all over the place. But some of the most enjoyable times were around the campfire and antics that ensued. A big steak. A big fire. An iced Jack and Coke. Then listen to the frogs croak all night....man Id love to go back and hear them sing once again.....but its all been shut down. Cant even drive there anymore let alone camp there. "The times they are a changin". Isnt that what the song says..... |
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