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Post by luapnor on Apr 16, 2024 14:05:41 GMT -5
I couldn't care less how somebody spends their money, but I do have a problem with government influencing technology direction using subsidies. It always, always ends in malinvestment. Oil, coal, gas, the most heavily subsidized fuels ever. You're wrong as usual. And what you described above is also Europe and they are quitting EVs. The government constantly leads us down the path of bad technology choices through malinvestment and subsidies. If you're unable to comprehend that, then I can't help you because it requires just a tad of logic and critical thinking.
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Apr 16, 2024 14:45:48 GMT -5
Do you ever go for long drives? I personally don’t want to have to find a charging station and stop for hours at a time waiting to get charged to continue my journey. Hours? Ypu think it takes hours? Ot takes. Arely longer than a gas fill up to get 80% (recommended) charge. Matter of fact I'd bet I could catch a charge faster than getting g my kids into the service station to piss and back out. Do ypu even talk to anybody that owns a. Ev or just the fossil fuel trolls?
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Post by conchydong on Apr 16, 2024 14:51:40 GMT -5
Do you ever go for long drives? I personally don’t want to have to find a charging station and stop for hours at a time waiting to get charged to continue my journey. Hours? Ypu think it takes hours? Ot takes. Arely longer than a gas fill up to get 80% (recommended) charge. Matter of fact I'd bet I could catch a charge faster than getting g my kids into the service station to piss and back out. Do ypu even talk to anybody that owns a. Ev or just the fossil fuel trolls? I don’t know anybody that owns the EV personally do you own a EV?
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Post by misterjr on Apr 16, 2024 14:56:42 GMT -5
My neighbor across the street owns a Model 3.
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Apr 16, 2024 15:04:50 GMT -5
Hours? Ypu think it takes hours? Ot takes. Arely longer than a gas fill up to get 80% (recommended) charge. Matter of fact I'd bet I could catch a charge faster than getting my kids into the service station to piss and back out. Do ypu even talk to anybody that owns a. Ev or just the fossil fuel trolls? I don’t know anybody that owns the EV personally do you own a EV? No I don't. But I have friends and coworkers who do. The coworkers get an especially sweet deal because they can charge theirs for free at work. One of them has not bought gas or had to pay for a charge for the last ~5 years to commute to work. With the super chargers at most places it's only a few minutes longer than pumping gas to reach 80% charge. I have no fantasy that EVs are for everybody but I do t get the hate for them. For a lot of people it makes good sense. If I can buy one cheap to drive to work I would in a heartbeat.
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Post by conchydong on Apr 16, 2024 15:06:53 GMT -5
I lied My buddy has a EV
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 16, 2024 15:12:46 GMT -5
We still need oil, coal and natural gas. We do not need EVs until the infrastructure is in place for them.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 16, 2024 15:14:40 GMT -5
How do they charge EV owners for the fuel tax that they owe?
The roads and bridges and highways need to be maintained. I’m sure there is a way EVs pay their fair share of road taxes. Isn’t there?
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Apr 16, 2024 16:08:19 GMT -5
We still need oil, coal and natural gas. We do not need EVs until the infrastructure is in place for them. So if the infrastructure is of concern why are utilities pushing EVs? Seems they'd be the ones crying the loudest about the poor poor infrastructure.
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Post by conchydong on Apr 16, 2024 16:18:06 GMT -5
We still need oil, coal and natural gas. We do not need EVs until the infrastructure is in place for them. So if the infrastructure is of concern why are utilities pushing EVs? Seems they'd be the ones crying the loudest about the poor poor infrastructure. Because they can sell more electricity. Duh.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 16, 2024 16:18:49 GMT -5
We still need oil, coal and natural gas. We do not need EVs until the infrastructure is in place for them. So if the infrastructure is of concern why are utilities pushing EVs? Seems they'd be the ones crying the loudest about the poor poor infrastructure. Watch how fast they hold their hands out for MORE and MORE SUBSIDIES when people start complaining about the infrastructure not being there to support their EV use. That’s why they are pushing for them. We need to gradually move away from fossil fuel and get there about the same time as we run out of fossil fuel resources in our country.
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Post by Captj on Apr 16, 2024 16:40:41 GMT -5
Often wondered: Can you charge an EV at home of of your 115 household current? If you can then who is going to pay road taxes so that the roadways can be maintained? Yes you can. Mine came with a 115V adapter cord but it takes all night to put a 60% charge into it. For local driving that's quite adequate. I installed a 50 amp charger at the house and plug it in about once a week. Charges it up in about 2 hours depending on which voltage option I choose. Very convenient. We also have a ice car which we will soon sell and will buy another ice just to be insured in case of hurricanes in so fl. My truck is a diesel which I use for the boats and it is a guzzler, but it's already rusted out and pulls like a mule. I'll never sell it. The Tesla is a dream to drive on long trips as the ride, suspension, steering, and the sounds are just superior to any of the ice cars we tried. The convenience of charging is also a benefit. Like my hero J Buffet said, if you've never seen a sunset how can you describe it. Same for you doubters out there. I pay my taxes unlike some of our candidates and hope they go to the right place.
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Post by mapper on Apr 16, 2024 16:49:22 GMT -5
That's Europe...they drive even less due to public transit available...but even they are dumping EVs... Wonder why? Reality maybe?? No, it's the US and the daily distance is getting shorter. Basically what this says, is that the average person would have no issues with an EV and a typical 2-car family should own one if they want to save money.
This is important as the Chinese are perfecting the inexpensive long range EV, which will be at the expense of US car manufacturers.
Why, cause EVs are the future over ICE with the long=term future probably being a hydrogen EV hybrid.
THE AVERAGE DRIVER Spends 55 minutes a day behind the wheel Drives 29 miles a day
Daily travel miles per driver - United States 2001 to 2017 Published by Mathilde Carlier , Aug 4, 2021 This statistic shows the average number of miles driven per day in the United States per driver between 2001 and 2017. On average, American drivers today are moving their vehicles considerably less than they were sixteen years ago, but they still totaled an average of 25.9 miles per day and per driver in 2017. The average driver also made more trips in 2001 than in 2017, when 2.7 daily vehicle trips per driver with an average length of 9.6 miles per trip were recorded. In 2001, the average driver made 3.4 trips with an average of 9.9 miles.
Ahh, so a Nissan leaf would be the answer for EVERY application.. And EVERY one fits the example above.
I get it.. call bullshit on it, but get it.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 16, 2024 18:31:52 GMT -5
On gasoline there are Federal, State and local taxes designated for highway maintenance and repairs.
How are the EVs charged for these road taxes or are they not charged?
It’s seems insignificant but will become very expensive for someone as the EV fleet increases should they not be charged their fair share
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Post by garycoleco on Apr 16, 2024 19:44:02 GMT -5
We still need oil, coal and natural gas. We do not need EVs until the infrastructure is in place for them. So if the infrastructure is of concern why are utilities pushing EVs? Seems they'd be the ones crying the loudest about the poor poor infrastructure. Because they can blame EVs for electricity hikes while hoping the tides change on fast tracking nuclear.... It's all a hustle
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