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Post by whitebacon on May 21, 2024 17:52:36 GMT -5
I know several folks whose solar is robust enough to fully charge their evs. Self sufficient, off grid. And doesn't Idaho? Get 35 to 40% of their energy from wind. The future is now, doubling down of very old technology is dumb. Don't necessarily disagree with you. Solar works, but is expensive, especially when scaled to meet realistic demand, on a one-off or mass demand. Wind is great, and works, no doubt, especially out west where the wind howls. Expensive install. I hope the bird killing stories are exagerated. Hopefully you got my point, and I certainly get yours.
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Post by luapnor on May 21, 2024 19:49:35 GMT -5
I know several folks whose solar is robust enough to fully charge their evs. Self sufficient, off grid. And doesn't Idaho? Get 35 to 40% of their energy from wind. The future is now, doubling down of very old technology is dumb. I doubt that pays for itself or they dont drive very far.
The smallest Tesla battery, assuming Tesla here, would take 44 solar panels to fully charge the battery in one day with 5hrs peak sun.
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Post by Captj on May 22, 2024 6:27:26 GMT -5
I know several folks whose solar is robust enough to fully charge their evs. Self sufficient, off grid. And doesn't Idaho? Get 35 to 40% of their energy from wind. The future is now, doubling down of very old technology is dumb. I doubt that pays for itself or they dont drive very far.
The smallest Tesla battery, assuming Tesla here, would take 44 solar panels to fully charge the battery in one day with 5hrs peak sun.
Another EV expert heard from. Doesn't have any real life experience with them. Probably doesn't know anyone who does. In your mother country they'll be bringing in their EV's from China. Probably pissed that Biden just placed a 100% import duty on Chinese spy cars.
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Post by luapnor on May 22, 2024 6:35:12 GMT -5
Did you miss the post where Pepsi just ordered a bunch of evs semis from tesla boosting share price? Don't you people ever tire of being wrong all the time? How many semis has Tesla built?
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Post by gandy on May 22, 2024 7:25:19 GMT -5
Couple more cycles of cash for clunkers and the problem will take care of itself. No worries, it's not the tax payers footing the bill anymore, just e-print more $$$
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Post by illinoisfisherman on May 22, 2024 7:38:42 GMT -5
Did you miss the post where Pepsi just ordered a bunch of evs semis from tesla boosting share price? Don't you people ever tire of being wrong all the time? How many semis has Tesla built? 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
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Post by cyclist on May 22, 2024 7:42:03 GMT -5
Did you miss the post where Pepsi just ordered a bunch of evs semis from tesla boosting share price? Don't you people ever tire of being wrong all the time? How many semis has Tesla built? 100 Soon to be many thousands with all the new orders.
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Post by misterjr on May 22, 2024 8:16:44 GMT -5
Today TSLA +6.6 On Monday, Tesla, Inc. TSLA provided a major update on its electric semitrucks project. The project, since its announcement in 2017, has experienced a series of delays. The EV behemoth confirmed that its flagship model, Tesla Semi, is on track for deliveries to customers by 2026, with a goal of producing 50,000 units of the all-electric Class 8 truck when the vehicle’s Nevada production facility is ramped. finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-tsla-stock-gains-6-100000018.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
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Post by mapper on May 22, 2024 8:53:55 GMT -5
2 yrs isn't a lot of time to set infrastructure up for charge stations that play well with semi/trailer use. Especially for long haul routes. Or is it a roll out of trucks first in local areas like port shipping terminals and have the companies who use these provide their own charging structure for daily use. The devil is in the details. I just don't see a semi unhooking from a trailer and trying to fit in a compact vehicle designed charge spot a realistic workable solution. And this needs to be resolved to gain acceptance of ev light/medium duty truck use as well.
(Tyipcal disclaimer, unless the contrary can be shown) I haven't looked into that aspect as I am not ready to replace my dinosaur fueled truck.
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Post by cyclist on May 22, 2024 9:07:54 GMT -5
2 yrs isn't a lot of time to set infrastructure up for charge stations that play well with semi/trailer use. Especially for long haul routes. Or is it a roll out of trucks first in local areas like port shipping terminals and have the companies who use these provide their own charging structure for daily use. The devil is in the details. I just don't see a semi unhooking from a trailer and trying to fit in a compact vehicle designed charge spot a realistic workable solution. And this needs to be resolved to gain acceptance of ev light/medium duty truck use as well.
(Tyipcal disclaimer, unless the contrary can be shown) I haven't looked into that aspect as I am not ready to replace my dinosaur fueled truck.
I posted this earlier, I think they are probably local routes. The range is 500 miles. Pepsi has been using 21 of the semis for a very long time and ordered a bunch more, hence the stock price rise.
news.yahoo.com/finance/news/tesla-stock-pops-after-company-reveals-new-details-deliveries-for-its-semi-truck-program-174933899.html Tesla confirms plans to deliver production-spec Tesla Semi trucks to customers by 2026, with a target capacity of 50,000 units a year. The Tesla Semi is currently in pilot testing with PepsiCo's Frito Lay division, with plans to add an additional 50 trucks to the fleet. Tesla stock rose 4.5% following the announcement, with the Tesla Semi capable of up to 500 miles range and a 23,000-lb vehicle weight.
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Post by cadman on May 22, 2024 9:11:21 GMT -5
I think Pepsi may be looking at them for local deliveries and not OTR. A local route is probably 100 to 150 miles, well within the range of the EV semi and then back to the plant to charge overnight. Would need a decent charger, but not the superchargers. Coke already has a few electric and hybrid service vans and a couple of vendors ran EV delivery vans for local routes when I had the stores. It could make sense for local routes, I do not think EV semis are ready for OTR unless the trucking company parks changeover vehicles at select locations and the driver pulls in switches cabs and keeps on trucking, leaving the old one to charge up for the next guy.
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Post by cadman on May 22, 2024 9:14:29 GMT -5
2 yrs isn't a lot of time to set infrastructure up for charge stations that play well with semi/trailer use. Especially for long haul routes. Or is it a roll out of trucks first in local areas like port shipping terminals and have the companies who use these provide their own charging structure for daily use. The devil is in the details. I just don't see a semi unhooking from a trailer and trying to fit in a compact vehicle designed charge spot a realistic workable solution. And this needs to be resolved to gain acceptance of ev light/medium duty truck use as well.
(Tyipcal disclaimer, unless the contrary can be shown) I haven't looked into that aspect as I am not ready to replace my dinosaur fueled truck.
I posted this earlier, I think they are probably local routes. The range is 500 miles. Pepsi has been using 21 of the semis for a very long time and ordered a bunch more, hence the stock price rise.
news.yahoo.com/finance/news/tesla-stock-pops-after-company-reveals-new-details-deliveries-for-its-semi-truck-program-174933899.html Tesla confirms plans to deliver production-spec Tesla Semi trucks to customers by 2026, with a target capacity of 50,000 units a year. The Tesla Semi is currently in pilot testing with PepsiCo's Frito Lay division, with plans to add an additional 50 trucks to the fleet. Tesla stock rose 4.5% following the announcement, with the Tesla Semi capable of up to 500 miles range and a 23,000-lb vehicle weight. 500 mile range would even work for regional routes like delivering from a main facility in Orlando or Jacksonville to the local route warehouses in Gainesville, Ocala, and such.
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Post by cyclist on May 22, 2024 9:15:42 GMT -5
I think Pepsi may be looking at them for local deliveries and not OTR. A local route is probably 100 to 150 miles, well within the range of the EV semi and then back to the plant to charge overnight. Would need a decent charger, but not the superchargers. Coke already has a few electric and hybrid service vans and a couple of vendors ran EV delivery vans for local routes when I had the stores. It could make sense for local routes, I do not think EV semis are ready for OTR unless the trucking company parks changeover vehicles at select locations and the driver pulls in switches cabs and keeps on trucking, leaving the old one to charge up for the next guy.
I honestly think the future of the EV semis is way closer than we think, especially when you remove the drivers.
Someones response to all the negativity about the the article in the link above.
Eventually you are going to back out the drivers (because there will not be any) and then recharging will probably be done with independent contractors in a Love/Pilot, etc. truck stop type of situation. The charging time will be relatively short-probably. So once you factor out a driver-that's where savings will begin. Plus the truck (without a driver) isn't going to need to stop after 11to 14 hours for a Federally mandated break-again more savings. Right now if I understand the Federal rules-a driver has 14 hours with breaks to ACTUALLY DRIVE 11 hours. So at legal speeds that's about 600 miles. The electric truck did 500 on a single charge. The electric truck also did 1,000 miles in a day-a thing a normal OTR trucker can't do-LEGALLY. The gap is getting close.
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Post by johngalt on May 22, 2024 9:34:12 GMT -5
Did you miss the post where Pepsi just ordered a bunch of evs semis from tesla boosting share price? Don't you people ever tire of being wrong all the time?[/quote] That’s Pepsi. Let me give you a real world example that I did every week for six years. I hauled 43,000 pounds of ice packed chicken from poultry plants in Florida, Georgia and Alabama to Los Angeles, Fresno Ca. Fresh chicken has a 72 hour hold from the process time to acceptance at the wholesaler. Other wise it drops in price. I would leave Athens Alabama for instance on Friday noon and would be sitting in Los Angeles, 67th avenue and Alameda at 4 am Monday morning. You cannot do that with a EV. #1 the weight of the tractor is to heavy and the charging times are to long. And you haven’t factored in the extra strain on the batteries from the heat, cold mountain grades and running the ac/heater while getting some sleep. It’s easy to read stories from a small segment of the trucking industry touting the advantages of a EV truck but it’s a big world out there.
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Post by cyclist on May 22, 2024 9:47:05 GMT -5
Did you miss the post where Pepsi just ordered a bunch of evs semis from tesla boosting share price? Don't you people ever tire of being wrong all the time? That’s Pepsi. Let me give you a real world example that I did every week for six years. I hauled 43,000 pounds of ice packed chicken from poultry plants in Florida, Georgia and Alabama to Los Angeles, Fresno Ca. Fresh chicken has a 72 hour hold from the process time to acceptance at the wholesaler. Other wise it drops in price. I would leave Athens Alabama for instance on Friday noon and would be sitting in Los Angeles, 67th avenue and Alameda at 4 am Monday morning. You cannot do that with a EV. #1 the weight of the tractor is to heavy and the charging times are to long. And you haven’t factored in the extra strain on the batteries from the heat, cold mountain grades and running the ac/heater while getting some sleep. It’s easy to read stories from a small segment of the trucking industry touting the advantages of a EV truck but it’s a big world out there. [/quote][/div]
How much trucking is under 500 miles or 1,000 versus cross country? A shit ton. The EVs are perfect for that. And actually the EV semis do OK in the mountains, they use more going up, but charge the battery more going down.
I would wager that EV advances in a year are on par with ICE technology advances over decades. Its not if EVs take over, it is when. And as mentioned, remove the driver and all bets are off. Still, all the cross country should be done by a train, American screwed up when we axed trains.
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