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Post by cyclist on May 22, 2024 9:51:31 GMT -5
I'm heading to St. Augustine Thursday for a "ledge" offshore trip. It will be my first long ride in a Lightening Ford. I give y'all a review. 240 mile low end of range, should be plenty....and 0 to 60 in <4 sec should be interesting. The only downside I see, is the truck is black. We are staying at a buddies beach side house, and its set up with a Tesla supercharger.
Also gonna see JJ Grey and G Love and Special Sauce sunday night at the amphitheater.
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Post by johngalt on May 22, 2024 9:56:17 GMT -5
Did you miss the post where Pepsi just ordered a bunch of evs semis from tesla boosting share price? Don't you people ever tire of being wrong all the time? That’s Pepsi. Let me give you a real world example that I did every week for six years. I hauled 43,000 pounds of ice packed chicken from poultry plants in Florida, Georgia and Alabama to Los Angeles, Fresno Ca. Fresh chicken has a 72 hour hold from the process time to acceptance at the wholesaler. Other wise it drops in price. I would leave Athens Alabama for instance on Friday noon and would be sitting in Los Angeles, 67th avenue and Alameda at 4 am Monday morning. You cannot do that with a EV. #1 the weight of the tractor is to heavy and the charging times are to long. And you haven’t factored in the extra strain on the batteries from the heat, cold mountain grades and running the ac/heater while getting some sleep. It’s easy to read stories from a small segment of the trucking industry touting the advantages of a EV truck but it’s a big world out there. [/div]
How much trucking is under 500 miles or 1,000 versus cross country? A shit ton. The EVs are perfect for that. And actually the EV semis do OK in the mountains, they use more going up, but charge the battery more going down.
I would wager that EV advances in a year are on par with ICE technology advances over decades. Its not if EVs take over, it is when. And as mentioned, remove the driver and all bets are off. Still, all the cross country should be done by a train, American screwed up when we axed trains.
[/quote] Most dry and bulk freight is done by rail. Some places are inaccessible by rail or a lot of small businesses only need truck load instead of a rail car load. Once again you are trying to simplify something you have little or no knowledge of. Even a 500 mile trip is not beneficial with a EV depending on what you are hauling. And don’t forget that a properly maintained diesel engine can run over a million miles. And even with top end rebuild it can go another million plus. How long will an expensive battery last? Not to mention the electric motors? Electric trucks have been around for over a century, there’s a reason they were bypassed by the diesel and it’s not some conspiracy by the evil oil companies. 😁
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Post by PolarsStepdad on May 22, 2024 10:02:48 GMT -5
Not sure what forum I posted it on but I talked about inductive charging and electric Semis. If they ever get inductive charging on a mass scale diesel semis will be an endangered species. Charging your truck as you roll down the interstate and or sitting in the flying J overnight will be the funeral bell for diesel.
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Post by cyclist on May 22, 2024 10:33:38 GMT -5
That’s Pepsi. Let me give you a real world example that I did every week for six years. I hauled 43,000 pounds of ice packed chicken from poultry plants in Florida, Georgia and Alabama to Los Angeles, Fresno Ca. Fresh chicken has a 72 hour hold from the process time to acceptance at the wholesaler. Other wise it drops in price. I would leave Athens Alabama for instance on Friday noon and would be sitting in Los Angeles, 67th avenue and Alameda at 4 am Monday morning. You cannot do that with a EV. #1 the weight of the tractor is to heavy and the charging times are to long. And you haven’t factored in the extra strain on the batteries from the heat, cold mountain grades and running the ac/heater while getting some sleep. It’s easy to read stories from a small segment of the trucking industry touting the advantages of a EV truck but it’s a big world out there. [/div]
How much trucking is under 500 miles or 1,000 versus cross country? A shit ton. The EVs are perfect for that. And actually the EV semis do OK in the mountains, they use more going up, but charge the battery more going down.
I would wager that EV advances in a year are on par with ICE technology advances over decades. Its not if EVs take over, it is when. And as mentioned, remove the driver and all bets are off. Still, all the cross country should be done by a train, American screwed up when we axed trains.
[/quote] Most dry and bulk freight is done by rail. Some places are inaccessible by rail or a lot of small businesses only need truck load instead of a rail car load. Once again you are trying to simplify something you have little or no knowledge of. Even a 500 mile trip is not beneficial with a EV depending on what you are hauling. And don’t forget that a properly maintained diesel engine can run over a million miles. And even with top end rebuild it can go another million plus. How long will an expensive battery last? Not to mention the electric motors? Electric trucks have been around for over a century, there’s a reason they were bypassed by the diesel and it’s not some conspiracy by the evil oil companies. 😁 [/quote][/div]
I appreciate your input, I'm not a long haul driver. I do know diesels, all but one of my vehicles are diesel, and I try and research the topics.
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Post by johngalt on May 22, 2024 13:44:55 GMT -5
Not sure what forum I posted it on but I talked about inductive charging and electric Semis. If they ever get inductive charging on a mass scale diesel semis will be an endangered species. Charging your truck as you roll down the interstate and or sitting in the flying J overnight will be the funeral bell for diesel. So they have figured out perpetual motion?🤔
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Post by PolarsStepdad on May 22, 2024 14:21:54 GMT -5
Not sure what forum I posted it on but I talked about inductive charging and electric Semis. If they ever get inductive charging on a mass scale diesel semis will be an endangered species. Charging your truck as you roll down the interstate and or sitting in the flying J overnight will be the funeral bell for diesel. So they have figured out perpetual motion?🤔 No. Noy ny a long shot. Inductive charging g is not perpetual motion. You are still using a battery to store energy. And I'd imagine that it will expand range but eventually you'd still have to stop even if it is for your required rest period. But instead of plugging it in to charge you just park over the charger. Like a contact charger for cellphones just on a bigger scale. But the the hiway charging as you drive will be a game changer.
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Post by gandy on May 22, 2024 14:24:17 GMT -5
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Post by gandy on May 22, 2024 14:24:46 GMT -5
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Post by whitebacon on May 22, 2024 14:37:21 GMT -5
How many semis has Tesla built? 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 The average semi drives 600-700 miles a day and has a max weight of 80,000 lbs. How many batteries does it take to conquer that demand, how much space do the batteries take, how much cobalt was strip mined in Africa by slave labor to build the batteries, how many stops a day to recharge, how does two hours recharging a day affect the cost of goods being transported, when and where are the two tons of batteries disposed of...........are just a few of my questions for cyclist
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Post by biminitwisted on May 22, 2024 14:45:30 GMT -5
There is nothing new under the Sun. Kerosene replaced whale oil as the primary fuel for American whaling in the 1850s and 1860s. Kerosene was made from petroleum, which was introduced in 1859. The American alcohol tax of $2 per gallon led to the introduction of kerosene, which became the primary fuel almost overnight. Other alternatives to whale oil included camphene, lard oil, and coal oil.www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/this-post-is-hopelessly-long-w
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Post by whitebacon on May 22, 2024 14:56:37 GMT -5
Did you miss the post where Pepsi just ordered a bunch of evs semis from tesla boosting share price? Don't you people ever tire of being wrong all the time? That’s Pepsi. Let me give you a real world example that I did every week for six years. I hauled 43,000 pounds of ice packed chicken from poultry plants in Florida, Georgia and Alabama to Los Angeles, Fresno Ca. Fresh chicken has a 72 hour hold from the process time to acceptance at the wholesaler. Other wise it drops in price. I would leave Athens Alabama for instance on Friday noon and would be sitting in Los Angeles, 67th avenue and Alameda at 4 am Monday morning. You cannot do that with a EV. #1 the weight of the tractor is to heavy and the charging times are to long. And you haven’t factored in the extra strain on the batteries from the heat, cold mountain grades and running the ac/heater while getting some sleep. It’s easy to read stories from a small segment of the trucking industry touting the advantages of a EV truck but it’s a big world out there. [/div]
How much trucking is under 500 miles or 1,000 versus cross country? A shit ton. The EVs are perfect for that. And actually the EV semis do OK in the mountains, they use more going up, but charge the battery more going down.
I would wager that EV advances in a year are on par with ICE technology advances over decades. Its not if EVs take over, it is when. And as mentioned, remove the driver and all bets are off. Still, all the cross country should be done by a train, American screwed up when we axed trains.
Wait, whoa!!!!! America axed trains? Better call Warren Buffet and get him to dump his train stocks esta noche!!!!!
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Post by garycoleco on May 22, 2024 15:47:14 GMT -5
Just spent 3 days in Key West. The hotel had 4 chargers. I saw one car there the whole time....
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Post by luapnor on May 22, 2024 16:16:34 GMT -5
Would hate to be on a trip at night and the only charging station had all the power cables stolen... seems to be common.
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Post by conchydong on May 22, 2024 16:19:57 GMT -5
Just spent 3 days in Key West. The hotel had 4 chargers. I saw one car there the whole time.... That’s more time than I spent there in the last 30 years and that’s my home town. I only drive down there for turnaround funerals. It’s not the same place that I grew up in.
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Post by whitebacon on May 22, 2024 16:32:34 GMT -5
Just spent 3 days in Key West. The hotel had 4 chargers. I saw one car there the whole time.... That’s more time than I spent there in the last 30 years and that’s my home town. I only drive down there for turnaround funerals. It’s not the same place that I grew up in. Amen.
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