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Post by luapnor on Apr 9, 2024 15:47:21 GMT -5
He probably thinks 17 & 18yo gang-bangers are children.
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Post by Tarponator on Apr 9, 2024 16:03:16 GMT -5
By twisting the facts, do you mean looking past per capita statistics in favor of misleading raw totals that don't take into account population?
By ignoring facts, when faced with the actual murder rates that prove conservative governments are more dangerous, they double down on feelings?
Asking for a confused conservative democrat who is a bit slow and scared.
Just stop. Get the statistics for where the “murders” are occurring and who (republicans or democrats) are actually in charge of the local government. There is no twisting of data. Just the facts. In republican states there are local democrats in charge of individual cities. These democrat cities are where most of the crime is occurring. Simple facts. Undeniable but true. Look at the murder map of Chicago that was posted on another thread. The heaviest rates of murder were all within the city of Chicago. Please notice the lack of crime just outside the city in suburban areas many of which have Republican administrations. Sorry, nobody, much less someone as ignorant as you, gets to tell me what to do. I'll stop when I'm ready to stop, and I'm not ready....
You said, quite clearly, something patently untrue about states. Now, having been corrected, you attempt to move the goalposts.
I'll make it really easy for you: Next time don't say stupid untrue shit and I won't have to correct you.
On second thought, that might not be easy for you, so please do carry on.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 9, 2024 16:33:15 GMT -5
I will. Not moving the goalposts but you are the internet genius. Why don’t you dig up the information on just where the crime is occurring in red states.
Finally I don’t mind being stupid and ignorant as long as my stupidity and ignorance counteracts some of the liberal lies and mistruths once in a while.
Thank you for allowing me to continue sir. Thank you for your blessing and support.
Most respectfully. Ken
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Post by Tarponator on Apr 9, 2024 16:55:51 GMT -5
Why? Two reasons: First, because anyone who doesn't breathe through their mouth knows that gun violence goes up with population density (and gun ownership/access). Second, because YOU said states that have conservative governments have less gun violence, which is patently untrue, then tried to move the goalposts to cities when faced with the truth of the matter. Also, I'm more than an internet genius, and you can fuck off with your sir bullshit.
Lastly, you're welcome, but I nether bless nor support you and your ignorance, so I'm more than happy to correct you when necessary.
Sincerely, Mike
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Post by walkerdog on Apr 9, 2024 17:32:11 GMT -5
Just stop. Get the statistics for where the “murders” are occurring and who (republicans or democrats) are actually in charge of the local government. There is no twisting of data. Just the facts. In republican states there are local democrats in charge of individual cities. These democrat cities are where most of the crime is occurring. Simple facts. Undeniable but true. Look at the murder map of Chicago that was posted on another thread. The heaviest rates of murder were all within the city of Chicago. Please notice the lack of crime just outside the city in suburban areas many of which have Republican administrations. Sorry, nobody, much less someone as ignorant as you, gets to tell me what to do. I'll stop when I'm ready to stop, and I'm not ready....
You said, quite clearly, something patently untrue about states. Now, having been corrected, you attempt to move the goalposts.
I'll make it really easy for you: Next time don't say stupid untrue shit and I won't have to correct you.
On second thought, that might not be easy for you, so please do carry on.
He was encouraging you to stop looking dumber than you are, for your benefit. But by all means, continue, if that’s what you want to do.
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Post by Tarponator on Apr 9, 2024 17:48:46 GMT -5
Homicide is not suicide.
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Post by Captj on Apr 9, 2024 18:12:30 GMT -5
Argue all you want, but guns do kill people, and the types of guns used in mass shooting bear little relationship to sporting gear. Once again, I'm not against owning or having guns. Just think that certain types of weapons are not needed in the hands of homicidal maniacs.
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Post by OhMy on Apr 9, 2024 18:16:32 GMT -5
Argue all you want, but guns do kill people, and the types of guns used in mass shooting bear little relationship to sporting gear. Once again, I'm not against owning or having guns. Just think that certain types of weapons are not needed in the hands of homicidal maniacs. Where in the constitution does it say you have the right to bear sporting arms?
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Post by walkerdog on Apr 9, 2024 18:19:37 GMT -5
Argue all you want, but guns do kill people, and the types of guns used in mass shooting bear little relationship to sporting gear. Once again, I'm not against owning or having guns. Just think that certain types of weapons are not needed in the hands of homicidal maniacs. No they don’t. People use guns to kill people. No gun ever aimed itself at a person and pulled its own trigger.
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Post by tonyroma on Apr 9, 2024 22:21:41 GMT -5
Gun violence is as American as apple pie. Can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube. Good luck folks, you might take one in the back of the head while waiting for your Publix chicken tender sub.
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Post by Tarponator on Apr 9, 2024 22:30:53 GMT -5
The data on gun violence includes all deaths by gun, homicide, suicide, law enforcement, accidental, About half the numbers are suicide.
Use the fbi data which is homicide and not the cdc data wich includes homicide and suicide
But those calling for more legislation on gun violence use cdc data, it helps them come to a more convincing story. I have a problem with the methodology and the agenda behind it. Especially when dealing with a Constitutional protection.
I'm sure people do all sorts of silly things. However, the two sources I shared include homicides and murder. Again, they do not include suicide (although you can see that one too on the Rand link).
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 9, 2024 23:07:41 GMT -5
Gun violence is as American as apple pie. Can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube. Good luck folks, you might take one in the back of the head while waiting for your Publix chicken tender sub. Yup, and there’s no distinction by any political party. We all take a number in the lottery of gun violence. Though it’s funny that so many think being armed helps their odds, when the science shows the opposite is true.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 9, 2024 23:50:24 GMT -5
Well you go unarmed and I’ll carry. I know from my own experience that being able to defend yourself makes a big difference.
To say otherwise is just plain stupid.
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 9, 2024 23:58:45 GMT -5
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 9, 2024 23:59:29 GMT -5
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