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Post by Tarponator on Apr 8, 2024 21:53:22 GMT -5
No becau6when guns become prolific more people die by gun. Really? Is there more shooting of innocents in Chicago and other big cities where firearms are tightly regulated Or In Texas and Florida where many honest law abiding citizens are able to legally carry. You know the answer but you will choke speaking the words of truth Yes, really, and comparing cities to states is both stupid and par for your course.
Alas, try these words of truth on for size:
Which types of states top those lists?
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 8, 2024 22:26:14 GMT -5
More leftist idiotic logic.
There are more shootings in Chicago than in the entire state of Texas or Florida. Add the other shootings in the rest of the state and the number of shootings climbs even higher. The same is probably true for other “liberal” states that have more stringent controls on firearms.
Why then are there so many less shootings in states with conservative governments that don’t as strictly restrict firearms?
“CCome on man” 😂
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Post by Tarponator on Apr 8, 2024 23:28:37 GMT -5
Why then are there so many less shootings in states with conservative governments that don’t as strictly restrict firearms?
I would venture to say it's because you are not very smart and apparently don't understand population normalization.
Although I've already pointed you to the source of this data, here are the top murder rates per 100k residents by state: 1. Mississippi 23.70 2. Louisiana 21.30 3. Alabama 15.90 4. New Mexico 15.30 5. South Carolina 13.40 6. Missouri 12.40 7. Illinois 12.30 8. Maryland 12.20 9. Tennessee 12.20 10. Arkansas 11.70 Notice anything about the overwhelming majority of those states?
Hint: It starts with an "R" and ends in "dumbasses".
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 9, 2024 1:07:10 GMT -5
Quantity. Not per population. Finally can you break down the numbers per demographics?
What are the racial and political demographics in the cities the crimes are taking place within? What is boosting crime in conservative states are the liberal controlled individual cities. IE Atlanta, New Orleans, etc. let’s just take the Democrat controlled cities that have stricter gun control VS the conservative controlled cities who have relaxed gun control. Any city that has law abiding residents carrying has less carnage in the streets.
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Post by richm on Apr 9, 2024 6:29:49 GMT -5
I never understood why they count "firearms suicides" against guns. Probably cause it is a high statistic. One of the higher numbers they can use cause most folks don't run around shooting people. Well, just in Chicago.
I did a study on this for some kind of school project.
As a youth, i had a .22 on my hip and the sight of it kept 4-5 "bad guys" from doing something bad. That taught me all i need to know about gun control. It only benefits the bad guys. Do know that my story would be completely diff if that gun wasn't there. And some folks want to make it so that i don't have the right to protect myself cause bad people do bad things. That's messed up. Again, thankfully we have the 2nd Amendment but there are a lot of states that pass legislation and it depends on what kind of judge they get whether the legislation stands or not.
Be interesting to do a study gun deaths vs car deaths, and the no. of guns vs no. of cars. You already know the results - more car deaths and more guns total.
Or how about number injuries and deaths tied to covid vax vs gun deaths & injuries. Too bad CDC didn't keep real records of that stuff. The numbers i had heard was about 1 million people got messed up by the vax and 1 million died from covid and 30,000 gun deaths that year (that's the avg number of gun deaths). But CDC is still in business and people still want the jab.
You can't make this shit up. Liberals want what they want.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 9, 2024 6:36:21 GMT -5
Liberals twist facts and ignore facts until they get a result that is favorable to their agenda.
Just like the sight of that pistol deterred the bad guys the fact that they don’t know who is carrying will also deter them. We need more concealed carry not less.
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Post by meateater on Apr 9, 2024 13:04:24 GMT -5
Why then are there so many less shootings in states with conservative governments that don’t as strictly restrict firearms?
I would venture to say it's because you are not very smart and apparently don't understand population normalization.
Although I've already pointed you to the source of this data, here are the top murder rates per 100k residents by state: 1. Mississippi 23.70 2. Louisiana 21.30 3. Alabama 15.90 4. New Mexico 15.30 5. South Carolina 13.40 6. Missouri 12.40 7. Illinois 12.30 8. Maryland 12.20 9. Tennessee 12.20 10. Arkansas 11.70 Notice anything about the overwhelming majority of those states?
Hint: It starts with an "R" and ends in "dumbasses".
i could point out something about the statistics in 8 of those states with a overwheming majority of where and who commited those murders, hint memphis tenn.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 9, 2024 13:26:43 GMT -5
EXACTLY. The state statistics are skewed by the Democrat controlled cities that are basically lawless.
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Post by cadman on Apr 9, 2024 13:48:38 GMT -5
Maybe they both have some blame. The governor could always step in if a Mayor can't do his job.
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Post by Tarponator on Apr 9, 2024 14:34:27 GMT -5
Why then are there so many less shootings in states with conservative governments that don’t as strictly restrict firearms?
I would venture to say it's because you are not very smart and apparently don't understand population normalization.
Although I've already pointed you to the source of this data, here are the top murder rates per 100k residents by state: 1. Mississippi 23.70 2. Louisiana 21.30 3. Alabama 15.90 4. New Mexico 15.30 5. South Carolina 13.40 6. Missouri 12.40 7. Illinois 12.30 8. Maryland 12.20 9. Tennessee 12.20 10. Arkansas 11.70 Notice anything about the overwhelming majority of those states?
Hint: It starts with an "R" and ends in "dumbasses".
i could point out something about the statistics in 8 of those states with a overwheming majority of where and who commited those murders, hint memphis tenn. When faced with the fact that our favorite Chicago democrat is wrong and conservative run states have far and away higher murder rates, I'm sure you'd love to play the race card. You guys, for some odd reason, always seem to end up there.
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Post by Tarponator on Apr 9, 2024 14:35:21 GMT -5
EXACTLY. The state statistics are skewed by the Democrat controlled cities that are basically lawless. Basically lawless, my ass.
You suggested there are so many less shootings in states with conservatives governments.
That's simply not true, as you are misinformed.
But please do try to move the goalposts.
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Post by Tarponator on Apr 9, 2024 14:46:46 GMT -5
Liberals twist facts and ignore facts until they get a result that is favorable to their agenda. Just like the sight of that pistol deterred the bad guys the fact that they don’t know who is carrying will also deter them. We need more concealed carry not less. By twisting the facts, do you mean looking past per capita statistics in favor of misleading raw totals that don't take into account population?
By ignoring facts, when faced with the actual murder rates that prove conservative governments are more dangerous, they double down on feelings?
Asking for a confused conservative democrat who is a bit slow and scared.
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Post by luapnor on Apr 9, 2024 14:51:24 GMT -5
Yes, a Republican governor(if ever possible) would go over great in a takeover of Chicago, but sure, with the proper mental gymnastics, it's the governor's fault.
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Post by Tarponator on Apr 9, 2024 14:53:35 GMT -5
I'm not blaming anyone, Mr. Mendoza. I'm simply showing his blame game is precisely incorrect.
But thanks for your input. Maybe post a few more AI-generated Russian disinformation articles so you can really set the record straight.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 9, 2024 15:20:52 GMT -5
Liberals twist facts and ignore facts until they get a result that is favorable to their agenda. Just like the sight of that pistol deterred the bad guys the fact that they don’t know who is carrying will also deter them. We need more concealed carry not less. By twisting the facts, do you mean looking past per capita statistics in favor of misleading raw totals that don't take into account population?
By ignoring facts, when faced with the actual murder rates that prove conservative governments are more dangerous, they double down on feelings?
Asking for a confused conservative democrat who is a bit slow and scared.
Just stop. Get the statistics for where the “murders” are occurring and who (republicans or democrats) are actually in charge of the local government. There is no twisting of data. Just the facts. In republican states there are local democrats in charge of individual cities. These democrat cities are where most of the crime is occurring. Simple facts. Undeniable but true. Look at the murder map of Chicago that was posted on another thread. The heaviest rates of murder were all within the city of Chicago. Please notice the lack of crime just outside the city in suburban areas many of which have Republican administrations.
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