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Post by swampdog on Aug 22, 2023 9:08:09 GMT -5
Anumber1 can’t fool me that pointer is locked up signaling a wide racked seven point is hiding in the grass. Good dogs do make it awesomely enjoyable.
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Post by anumber1 on Aug 22, 2023 12:23:21 GMT -5
Anumber1 can’t fool me that pointer is locked up signaling a wide racked seven point is hiding in the grass. Good dogs do make it awesomely enjoyable. lol, if that was the case he's be doing the e-collar dance. I trash broke my pointers early in their development. |
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Post by richm on Aug 22, 2023 14:00:25 GMT -5
Never understood the attraction of deer. Drop 25 wild quail on a cold morning in Thomasville. Then we can talk. No quail left around here, especially on public land. |
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Post by tampaspicer on Aug 22, 2023 15:30:23 GMT -5
Never understood the attraction of deer. Drop 25 wild quail on a cold morning in Thomasville. Then we can talk. No quail left around here, especially on public land. Nope. Between development and coyotes they are diminishing. |
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Post by swampdog on Aug 22, 2023 15:36:44 GMT -5
Indeed - I was a member of Quail Unlimited until the Quail disappeared. Had some great days in the 60s/70s hunting quail. I married into a family of bird dogs. Awesome times.
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Post by bullfrog on Aug 23, 2023 10:02:24 GMT -5
Have ya’ll considered the roll that rebounding nonvenomous snake populations may play in quail decline? Farmers used to kill most snakes they found venomous or not. Modern conservation education has mostly stopped the killing of nonvenomous snakes compared to how wide spread it used to be.
The grey rat snakes zero in on my game chicken bitties in June and July. They come into the farmyard out of the woods like sharks on a chum line. In years past I’ve killed a dozen grey rat snakes a year raiding bitties. Quail are close relatives of chickens. They have to smell similar.
I’ve now wiped out enough of the grey rat snakes that I’ve only killed one raiding bitties or eggs this year. And now I’m seeing quail here and there around my farm where I hadn’t seen any in some time.
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Post by One Man Gang on Aug 23, 2023 10:30:38 GMT -5
Interesting BF. I feel the same about sharks.
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Post by meateater on Aug 23, 2023 11:55:47 GMT -5
wheres mr bandit ,,, killing snakes dont go around hear. savvy
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Post by meateater on Aug 23, 2023 14:42:25 GMT -5
Have ya’ll considered the roll that rebounding nonvenomous snake populations may play in quail decline? Farmers used to kill most snakes they found venomous or not. Modern conservation education has mostly stopped the killing of nonvenomous snakes compared to how wide spread it used to be. The grey rat snakes zero in on my game chicken bitties in June and July. They come into the farmyard out of the woods like sharks on a chum line. In years past I’ve killed a dozen grey rat snakes a year raiding bitties. Quail are close relatives of chickens. They have to smell similar. I’ve now wiped out enough of the grey rat snakes that I’ve only killed one raiding bitties or eggs this year. And now I’m seeing quail here and there around my farm where I hadn’t seen any in some time. you can get 25.00 a piece for them grey rat snakes,, if my wife ever leaves and my daughter and 3 grandchildren move out gonna copy your set up,, not a jealous man but come on dude you are living my dream . god bless you |
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Post by tampaspicer on Aug 23, 2023 15:50:07 GMT -5
Interesting BF. I feel the same about sharks. Yeap sharks too. Goliath Grouper as well. Predators do take a lot but when the food sources deplete so do the predators. |
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Post by swampdog on Aug 23, 2023 15:52:51 GMT -5
That’s definitely interesting and one aspect as to its specificity I hadn’t heard. Toss in the loss of habitat, fire ants, increase in nest and chick predators (opossums, skunks, raccoons, feral cats, hogs, cranes) and it’s a wonder we have any quail. I could see an increase in snakes taking their share. I think some research is needed.
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Post by bullfrog on Aug 23, 2023 16:25:24 GMT -5
That’s definitely interesting and one aspect as to its specificity I hadn’t heard. Toss in the loss of habitat, fire ants, increase in nest and chick predators (opossums, skunks, raccoons, feral cats, hogs, cranes) and it’s a wonder we have any quail. I could see an increase in snakes taking their share. I think some research is needed. I have my suspicion no study would be done, or would remain unpublished if so completed, if it tended to show snakes were major predators of quail. That would be bad PR for snakes. |
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Post by whitebacon on Aug 26, 2023 13:20:22 GMT -5
Never understood the attraction of deer. Drop 25 wild quail on a cold morning in Thomasville. Then we can talk. I’ve never even seen 25 wild quail in a day. I think I’ve never seen a covey much bigger than 5-6 and never more than a handful of times a year. I got lucky around 20 years ago and married a girl from Thomasville, we have since divorced. She was born and raised on a 20,000 ac. super high dollar plantation dedicated to wild quail hunting. Her family was devoted to training dogs and hunting quail. I would say to this day, her uncle is the finest dog handler in the business, with countless field trial championships. He works for you-know-who. Like you said, and I agree, it is normal to see 5-8 birds in a wild covey. Wild quail are extremely difficult to locate and kill, as you know. On managed and manicured lands it is a bit easier, no doubt. Start early, bust up 10 coveys, and don't miss. I still say it is far more difficult to kill wild quail than to kill a deer. |
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Post by bullfrog on Aug 26, 2023 15:15:37 GMT -5
I’ve never even seen 25 wild quail in a day. I think I’ve never seen a covey much bigger than 5-6 and never more than a handful of times a year. I got lucky around 20 years ago and married a girl from Thomasville, we have since divorced. She was born and raised on a 20,000 ac. super high dollar plantation dedicated to wild quail hunting. Her family was devoted to training dogs and hunting quail. I would say to this day, her uncle is the finest dog handler in the business, with countless field trial championships. He works for you-know-who. Like you said, and I agree, it is normal to see 5-8 birds in a wild covey. Wild quail are extremely difficult to locate and kill, as you know. On managed and manicured lands it is a bit easier, no doubt. Start early, bust up 10 coveys, and don't miss. I still say it is far more difficult to kill wild quail than to kill a deer. I didn’t doubt what you were saying. I was just making the point that quail populations have changed from my generation onward. My grandpa used to enjoy quail hunting above all other kinds and he would talk about how numerous quail used to be. |
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Post by whitebacon on Aug 27, 2023 9:08:20 GMT -5
I got lucky around 20 years ago and married a girl from Thomasville, we have since divorced. She was born and raised on a 20,000 ac. super high dollar plantation dedicated to wild quail hunting. Her family was devoted to training dogs and hunting quail. I would say to this day, her uncle is the finest dog handler in the business, with countless field trial championships. He works for you-know-who. Like you said, and I agree, it is normal to see 5-8 birds in a wild covey. Wild quail are extremely difficult to locate and kill, as you know. On managed and manicured lands it is a bit easier, no doubt. Start early, bust up 10 coveys, and don't miss. I still say it is far more difficult to kill wild quail than to kill a deer. I didn’t doubt what you were saying. I was just making the point that quail populations have changed from my generation onward. My grandpa used to enjoy quail hunting above all other kinds and he would talk about how numerous quail used to be. Funny story, I lived a while in Charlotte and Lee County, where there are literally thousands of miles of paved roads but no houses. 30 years ago we would "truck hunt"... run the bird dog down the side of the road and would just follow her . I swear she would point a covey every 10 minutes or so in the palmettos.... Can't do that today... |
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Post by anumber1 on Aug 27, 2023 15:58:12 GMT -5
I’ve never even seen 25 wild quail in a day. I think I’ve never seen a covey much bigger than 5-6 and never more than a handful of times a year. I got lucky around 20 years ago and married a girl from Thomasville, we have since divorced. She was born and raised on a 20,000 ac. super high dollar plantation dedicated to wild quail hunting. Her family was devoted to training dogs and hunting quail. I would say to this day, her uncle is the finest dog handler in the business, with countless field trial championships. He works for you-know-who. Like you said, and I agree, it is normal to see 5-8 birds in a wild covey. Wild quail are extremely difficult to locate and kill, as you know. On managed and manicured lands it is a bit easier, no doubt. Start early, bust up 10 coveys, and don't miss. I still say it is far more difficult to kill wild quail than to kill a deer. 50 years ago it was easy to walk the powerlines along the track between Putney ga and plant Mitchell and bust up 3-4 coveys without a dog There were also coveys on the Salt marsh west of us 19 in citrus County, my dad and I hunted them also |
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Post by richm on Aug 27, 2023 19:40:10 GMT -5
In 97/98 i was on a lease immediately west of toso. We’d see hundreds on the days we saw them.
Seen one at a local wma during 2020.
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Post by One Man Gang on Aug 28, 2023 7:24:36 GMT -5
In 97/98 i was on a lease immediately west of toso. We’d see hundreds on the days we saw them. Seen one at a local wma during 2020. Fat City Hunt Club was right there next to you. I used to hunt there with buddy. Before his group obtained that lease, their "money man" Steve used to get invited to quail hunt it with the big shots who had the lease at the time. They had feeders and all kinds of other quail enhancements going on there at the and nobody ever deer hunted it. The quail hunting was pretty good at the time. Maybe the late 80s to early 90s. Steve told the quail club that he was interested in taking the lease over if they ever decided to leave. A few years later they called him and it became his. This was possibly early to mid 90s. The quail hunting had diminished to nothing and when Steve took it over, he was in it for the deer hunting. They turned it into a great place and I was fortunate to tag along and kill a few animals there with my buddy David who was a club member, until he died, but there weren't enough quail around by then to feed a sick cat. Whenever I hunt Toso I always wish I could turn into Fat City instead. |
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Post by ogbohica on Aug 30, 2023 10:10:39 GMT -5
Had the great honor and pleasure to have been invited on many great quail hunts in NW Florida and Georgia. My favorite one was on the front of a Ford f250 sitting in a custom front basket and driving the train tracks shooting them. Luckily no trains were running
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Post by One Man Gang on Aug 30, 2023 10:18:43 GMT -5
A gentleman's hunt!
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Post by pinman on Sept 5, 2023 18:14:46 GMT -5
I need to re-read this whole thread before I start Deer hunting this year. I dont know if was mentioned in here but I read an article about soaps and I use Irish Spring which was the worst one for Deer hunting. May be my problem.....
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Post by Crkr 23 on Sept 5, 2023 19:20:13 GMT -5
I had a buddy who chipped up Irish Spring soap in his Iron-Clay Pea food plot to give the peas a head start. It worked so well that the peas reached maturity and made peas, the deer never touched them.
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Post by swampdog on Sept 5, 2023 20:11:50 GMT -5
Crkr - that’s awesome. Is it a true story?
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Post by Crkr 23 on Sept 5, 2023 20:25:34 GMT -5
That's what he told me, no reason to bullshit me so I'm saying it happened.
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Post by swampdog on Sept 5, 2023 21:09:03 GMT -5
I’ll bring it up around a future campfire. BTW I always liked Irish spring but it stopped covering up my perspiration rogue man herd bull smell. So I lend credence to this story.
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Post by pinman on Sept 6, 2023 9:09:49 GMT -5
My Dad leased 5 acres to a agricultural consulting company that did research on small plots of crops. Thery tried hanging Irish Spring soap around the perimeter to keep the Deer away with little success. Maybe chipping it up is the way to go......or the depredation permits they got....
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Post by Crkr 23 on Sept 6, 2023 10:40:35 GMT -5
When it's chipped up everytime you have a heavy dew or rain it activates the scent supposedly.
I've also heard stories of people sabotaging hunters stands by sprinkling a box of scented washing powder all around.
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Post by One Man Gang on Sept 6, 2023 10:50:08 GMT -5
Hmmm.... what a great idea. Easier and more reliable than taking a dump at the bottom of their tree stand.
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Post by bullfrog on Sept 7, 2023 10:15:43 GMT -5
Hmmm.... what a great idea. Easier and more reliable than taking a dump at the bottom of their tree stand. There’s at least one study that shows deer can’t smell the difference between human pee and pee from other creatures. And several studies that show that within scrapes, deer can’t tell the difference between human pee and deer pee. And I’ve killed deer where I’ve crapped. I know the answers as to how their noses work and how to beat them. Stumbled over it almost a decade ago. I’ve thought about doing a Youtube video on it, but only of my channel ever goes viral. Or if my chicken book ever sees the light of day and does well, I may write about it. The information is out there if you do some research and critical thinking. |
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Post by tampaspicer on Sept 7, 2023 10:45:08 GMT -5
Last deer I killed was at a friends lease. I'd never hunted or been on the property before. I asked my friend to take me somewhere that nobody has hunted all season. He takes me to a swamp bottom close to the highway. I find a nice rub line and setup my climber for the next morning. Got setup the next morning and had a 6pt on the ground an hour after daylight.
I've seen and killed plenty of deer hunting where nobody has hunted especially later in the season. Try it sometime because deer don't like pressure and will move away from it as quickly as possible.
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