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Post by Tarpon65 on Sept 19, 2024 15:34:39 GMT -5
Sorry, I know this is long:
For the last year or so I have been going through the My Safe Florida Home program. This grant will provide me $2 for every $1 I spend fortifying my home from hurricanes, up to a maximum refund of $10,000. I had the home inspection last year, which was paid for by the grant, but then they ran out of available funds for the year. I was able to get back into the program in Mid-August of this year and after going through a few more steps, was just given the okay to sign contracts and begin any work the previous inspection said I was eligible for, which includes impact resistant windows and doors, as well as my garage door. I have 11 Single hung windows, 3 large picture windows, 1 sliding door, 2 glass doors leading to the pool deck, and the front entry door with side window. As I had just put a new roof on last year, including the secondary water barrier, and reinforcing the truss /wall connections with the "third nail" I was not eligible for either of those improvements.
I've had 6-7 window and door quotes, most of them quoting PGT Winguard vinyl impact Low-E (meeting Dade County NOA), made in Venice, Fl, but several quoting Custom Window Systems made in Ocala, and one quoting Shwinco out of Mobile, Al, and another quoting Mr-Glass made in Miami. All the quotes for for any of the windows came in around $37-$40K, with the Mr-Glass coming in around $32K. The Mr-Glass quote was from a Ft Myers installer that did my friends home on Sanibel, but he does not have a current GC or speciality contractors license (not required in the SW Florida counties due to the amount of window work after Ian). The Mr-Glass were also aluminum frames which may not be as insulating as the vinyl. Any contractor I use, must have a valid license, pull a permit and pass the county inspection and the MSFH inspection, or I will not get the rebate, so I have had to rule him out and pretty much decided on a Sarasota company that has been in business over 50 years.
The bill for the windows and garage door will come in around $42K with me eventually getting $10K back after all inspections are done and the permits closed out, so I will be $32K or so out of pocket. Our Sarasota home was built in the mid-80s with all the original windows and doors. It's just the wife and I and I don't see us moving. As I age, the boarding of the windows is more of an issue, including three large (29"x 72") picture windows accessed only from the lower roof top with a step ladder still needed to reach them.
What are your thoughts on the investment? Where I live in North Sarasota has had a couple close calls but it seems we are generally in a protected cocoon in this area. According to my insurance agent, once I get all openings reinforced I will save a measly $250.00 or so each year on my insurance. All the studying I've done the last year or so says maybe 80% of the investment in the window and door upgrade will come back to us in the event we sell the home. While there is still an argument about impact windows can still break, and they should be shuttered, I feel they may break with impact, but will remain in one piece not allowing airflow into the home, and I don't plan on installing shutters. My thoughts are the initial investment will take a bite out of my funds, but will give us peace of mind during storms, but help with energy costs during the year, and help reduce noise from the outside.
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Post by olmucky on Sept 19, 2024 15:36:30 GMT -5
What is this
“reinforcing the truss /wall connections with the "third nail" I was not eligible for either of those improvement“
The third nail? Not judging or anything just hadn’t heard that before
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Post by Tarpon65 on Sept 19, 2024 16:00:16 GMT -5
What is this “reinforcing the truss /wall connections with the "third nail" I was not eligible for either of those improvement“ The third nail? Not judging or anything just hadn’t heard that before The powers to be say that adding an additional "third nail" into the strapping connecting the roof trusses to the home, greatly reduce the chances of winds lifting the roof off the home. If you Google "third nail Florida" you will find a number of articles on it. And when I did this last year, it did make a difference on my homeowner's insurance, in fact, this made much more of a difference, than if I do all the windows and doors with impact glass.
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Post by olmucky on Sept 19, 2024 16:38:51 GMT -5
Funny I have never heard that term
So I did an entire renovation to our 2/1 20 years ago. Added double the sq ft and a new master and 2 more baths.
Anyways. We lived in the home while me, my biL and nephew did the work. We gutted eveything. All by the book and ‘Dade county’ hurricane standards. Went with go-bolts (it’s a long bolt from the second story wall plate into the concrete foundation) for the new construction and I strapped the shit out of everything else….except the old/existing front living room and kitchen. No damn idea how I missed that. But i did. We have no soffit to access and can’t get it from the crawl space.
And every insurance inspection we have the guy says “if you would have strapped that area you’d save 30%” lol
Oh well. Our rates aren’t too horrible.
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Post by GaryS on Sept 20, 2024 5:05:42 GMT -5
I know the engineers say a 3rd nail makes all the differance in a storm and I did the 3 nail thing when I built my house. But 3 16 penny nails so close together on a 2x4 sure looks like it is weakening the wood. Once that strap is bent over the top of the truss with a nail through it and bent over along with another one down lower is seems overkill to add a third. Its funny I missed one nail in a truss and the inspector found it.
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Post by gardawg on Sept 20, 2024 10:13:12 GMT -5
concrete roof ... concrete house on 14 foot columns ... shutters on all windows and doors ... insurance guy inspected our house and pronounced it a 'fortress' and said he wished his house was as strong.
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Post by gandy on Sept 20, 2024 10:18:08 GMT -5
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Post by richm on Sept 20, 2024 14:43:02 GMT -5
Try NewSouth Windows.
We put em in about 5-6 years ago. Hurricane-proof.
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Post by Tarpon65 on Sept 20, 2024 14:48:26 GMT -5
Try NewSouth Windows. We put em in about 5-6 years ago. Hurricane-proof. I reached out for a quote and never heard back from them. Everyone else replied within hours setting up appts. Maybe will try again, thanks.
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Post by bob on Sept 20, 2024 14:58:24 GMT -5
Without knowing the wind exposure of your windows, sliding doors & garage door... IMO, I would save my money & stick the cash in a CD to cover the repairs after a hurricane & take the risk that it won't happen in your ownership time. Maybe the garage door would be the only item I would upgrade since it has the highest probability of causing a roof lift when a crappy one fails. I don't see any return on the investment for windows & doors, especially in a depreciating real estate market.
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Post by Tarpon65 on Sept 20, 2024 15:53:07 GMT -5
Without knowing the wind exposure of your windows, sliding doors & garage door... IMO, I would save my money & stick the cash in a CD to cover the repairs after a hurricane & take the risk that it won't happen in your ownership time. Maybe the garage door would be the only item I would upgrade since it has the highest probability of causing a roof lift when a crappy one fails. I don't see any return on the investment for windows & doors, especially in a depreciating real estate market. Thanks for the input, what I am looking for. I plan to do the garage door. $3200 for non-insulated/ $4100 for insulated. Both numbers include all installation, permitting, etc., for a standard 16 foot that meets the wind load requirements.
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Post by conchydong on Sept 20, 2024 15:57:50 GMT -5
Without knowing the wind exposure of your windows, sliding doors & garage door... IMO, I would save my money & stick the cash in a CD to cover the repairs after a hurricane & take the risk that it won't happen in your ownership time. Maybe the garage door would be the only item I would upgrade since it has the highest probability of causing a roof lift when a crappy one fails. I don't see any return on the investment for windows & doors, especially in a depreciating real estate market. I guess age could be a factor also. I don’t want to have to put up panels anymore. My impact windows are the latest S Fl code and they made a difference on outside noise and insulation. To each his own.
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Post by whitebacon on Sept 20, 2024 16:11:49 GMT -5
Without knowing the wind exposure of your windows, sliding doors & garage door... IMO, I would save my money & stick the cash in a CD to cover the repairs after a hurricane & take the risk that it won't happen in your ownership time. Maybe the garage door would be the only item I would upgrade since it has the highest probability of causing a roof lift when a crappy one fails. I don't see any return on the investment for windows & doors, especially in a depreciating real estate market. In my limited experience in Florida, paying premiums, surviving the annual onslaught of death defying storms, I have never known any insurance carrier to offer me any sort of a discount regarding the wind rating on my windows, roof, garage door.... What they seem to like is that I pay through the nose every year for some bullshit policy, that seems to almost double every year in cost. I don't actually live there anymore, but I pay my mother's insurance for her. She refuses to let me cancel it. I replaced her roof last year to the tune of 26k, because the rapists demanded it. Amazingly, I don't have insurance where I live. And I will be damned if I ever will.
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Post by mackeralsnatcher on Sept 20, 2024 17:04:09 GMT -5
As an aside, when we had our hurricane windows installed we saw a 22% drop in our electric bill.
The windows we replaced were the from 1970 when the house was built.
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Post by johngalt on Sept 24, 2024 8:38:17 GMT -5
My house was built in 1976. The person who built it was thinking ahead of his time. Four nails and in a lot of places there are screws! I don’t remember screw guns in the 70’s?? In 2008 I installed storm rated windows and re-sided the house with Hardy board sheet. It survived hurricane Michael with only shingles being damaged and the garage door pushed in. My car kept it from caving in. I was lucky.
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Post by cyclist on Sept 24, 2024 17:08:23 GMT -5
I worry about trees, sure ain't gonna cut them all down!
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Post by olmucky on Sept 25, 2024 4:37:51 GMT -5
I worry about trees, sure ain't gonna cut them all down! Our tally house is covered with large, old oaks. “They” say they can withstand storms but I’ve seen large limbs snapped and some uprooted from prior storms up there. This one has me on edge. We shall see
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Post by cyclist on Sept 25, 2024 9:55:09 GMT -5
I worry about trees, sure ain't gonna cut them all down! Our tally house is covered with large, old oaks. “They” say they can withstand storms but I’ve seen large limbs snapped and some uprooted from prior storms up there. This one has me on edge. We shall see Man I hope you get through this ok! My sister is off Jim Lee in Indianhead and she lost all her trees in the Debby tornadoes.
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Post by JS84 on Sept 25, 2024 10:03:29 GMT -5
I had a 40-50 foot tall Oak with a 30-40 foot diameter crown completely snap at around 2 ft above ground during Debby. There is only 1 large tree within striking distance of the farm house but it's a massive 50-60Ft pecan tree. Hopefully Debbie tested all of the weaker trees on the property last month. I'm extremely anxious about this storm but nothing I can do; just pray and deal with the aftermath
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Post by tampaspicer on Sept 25, 2024 10:37:16 GMT -5
Our house was built in the 60's and is built like a fortress. I'm not to worried about much.
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Post by JS84 on Sept 25, 2024 11:07:27 GMT -5
That's like my parents home in Largo. Dad built the house with his contractor buddies in the 80s. They poured every column on the lower floor. The place is like a bomb shelter but only sits at 18Ft above sea level.
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Post by tampaspicer on Sept 25, 2024 11:38:08 GMT -5
That's like my parents home in Largo. Dad built the house with his contractor buddies in the 80s. They poured every column on the lower floor. The place is like a bomb shelter but only sits at 18Ft above sea level. I'm just north of Belleair and west of Belcher. I'm about 35-36' above sea level.
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Post by JS84 on Sept 25, 2024 11:50:43 GMT -5
Largo Mall area
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Post by Tarpon65 on Sept 25, 2024 13:44:05 GMT -5
For an update, the window company did a final measurement this morning and I gave them my deposit check. They will be replacing all the windows and doors in the house. I will use another company for the garage door. I don't like to hand over checks like that, but I'm trying to see it as moving investment money from one place to another. They hope to install everything in early January, which is fine, I'd rather it not be blazing hot outside when the house is opened up.
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Post by Captj on Sept 26, 2024 5:38:09 GMT -5
Hope the insurance companies don't use this storm as an excuse to either leave the state, or jack up our rates - again.
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Post by johngalt on Sept 26, 2024 7:50:30 GMT -5
Hope the insurance companies don't use this storm as an excuse to either leave the state, or jack up our rates - again. Going up no matter what this storm does. Thousands moving here, building expensive homes and condos in places that are susceptible to storm damage.
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Post by gandy on Sept 26, 2024 8:49:31 GMT -5
Hope the insurance companies don't use this storm as an excuse to either leave the state, or jack up our rates - again. Going up no matter what this storm does. Thousands moving here, building expensive homes and condos in places that are susceptible to storm damage. and a current in progress issue in Edgewater fl
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