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Post by 4ward on Sept 17, 2024 18:47:58 GMT -5
FWC just pulled into my property and wrote my kid a ticket. ( I wasn’t here)
“Failure to report alligator harvest ONLINE” within 24 hours.
Complete 100% bullshit.
Paper forms were filled out, readily available and offered to her. She didn’t even want to look at them.
There is no such law. I will be making some phone calls tomorrow.
Way to encourage the next generation FWC! Bunch of freaking idiots.
We follow the law around here, my boys follow the LAW. They have been raised to do things properly, and they do. Tough to swallow a young ignorant chick (with a badge) fucking with me/ and mine. Rant over for now.
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Post by wildman on Sept 18, 2024 6:39:39 GMT -5
Been several years since I hunted gators and wasn't aware you had to report within 24hrs. However, after a little research it appears the rules have changed to require it. Reporting Link: myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/wildlife/alligator/harvest/ F.A.C. Rule 68A-25.042 Regulations Governing Statewide Alligator Trapping, Permitting, Taking and Sale, cont. (3),(h) An alligator harvest report form (FWC form 1001AT, effective April 30, 2000) provided by the Commission shall be completed by the permittee within 24 hours of taking each alligator and prior to the transfer of the carcass to another person. The permittee shall submit a legible copy of the alligator harvest report form to the Commission for receipt no later than 14 days after the expiration date of the harvest permit. The rule language is somewhat confusing as it mentions submitting w/in 24 hours, but then goes on to say no later than 14 days after permit expiration. Regardless, the officer should have used some discretion with a kid and just educated them. Hopefully you can get the citation dropped. |
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Post by nuthinfancy on Sept 18, 2024 6:55:35 GMT -5
FWC just pulled into my property and wrote my kid a ticket. ( I wasn’t here) “Failure to report alligator harvest ONLINE” within 24 hours. Complete 100% bullshit. Paper forms were filled out, readily available and offered to her. She didn’t even want to look at them. There is no such law. I will be making some phone calls tomorrow. Way to encourage the next generation FWC! Bunch of freaking idiots. We follow the law around here, my boys follow the LAW. They have been raised to do things properly, and they do. Tough to swallow a young ignorant chick (with a badge) fucking with me/ and mine. Rant over for now. How does she know when you killed the gator? I’m all for game laws and protecting the resource but how does a 24 hour mandatory reporting rule do anything to conserve wildlife? Are we just expected to bow down and let the man know as soon as we take one of the king’s gators? Give me a break. FWC if your reading this post, you need realize you work for the people not the other way around |
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Post by cracker4112 on Sept 18, 2024 7:03:13 GMT -5
It’s definitely clear as mud. My interpretation has always been that you needed to report it online within 24 hours or have a paper copy filled out, also within 24 hrs, with the hard copy sent to the FWC after. If the warden showed up and you had a cites tag in the hide and a filled out form, I would have thought you’d be good, no matter when the gator was killed?
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Post by cadman on Sept 18, 2024 7:21:19 GMT -5
Look at it as a good learning experience for your kid. He gets to argue his case before the judge and explain his interpretation of the law as it is written (assuming the above is the latest version). The two most likely outcomes are the judge rules in your son's favor or he lets him off with a warning and dismisses the case.
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Post by JS84 on Sept 18, 2024 8:32:43 GMT -5
Keep us posted.
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Post by wildman on Sept 18, 2024 8:53:39 GMT -5
It’s definitely clear as mud. My interpretation has always been that you needed to report it online within 24 hours or have a paper copy filled out, also within 24 hrs, with the hard copy sent to the FWC after. If the warden showed up and you had a cites tag in the hide and a filled out form, I would have thought you’d be good, no matter when the gator was killed? After re-reading the rule, I agree with your interpretation that just the form has to be completed within 24 hrs, but doesn't necessarily have to be submitted at that time, just within 14 days of permit expiration. So if the paper form was completed and the cites tag was attached to the gator, the citation should get thrown out. Hopefully when you speak to an FWC LE supervisor they will throw it out without the need to go before a judge. |
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Post by swampdog on Sept 18, 2024 9:29:30 GMT -5
I know with reporting deer kills we also had a phone number we could call to talk to a real person. The biggest requirement is to get it logged and obtaining a Confirmation number. However, I’m not a gator hunter and don’t know the reporting requirements. I do believe all required game reporting should be exactly the same.
I use the electronic app, have the phone number to Tally and could do a paper app before moving the critter if all else fails.
Good luck!
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Post by meateater on Sept 18, 2024 10:46:45 GMT -5
FWC just pulled into my property and wrote my kid a ticket. ( I wasn’t here) “Failure to report alligator harvest ONLINE” within 24 hours. Complete 100% bullshit. Paper forms were filled out, readily available and offered to her. She didn’t even want to look at them. There is no such law. I will be making some phone calls tomorrow. Way to encourage the next generation FWC! Bunch of freaking idiots. We follow the law around here, my boys follow the LAW. They have been raised to do things properly, and they do. Tough to swallow a young ignorant chick (with a badge) fucking with me/ and mine. Rant over for now. How does she know when you killed the gator? I’m all for game laws and protecting the resource but how does a 24 hour mandatory reporting rule do anything to conserve wildlife? Are we just expected to bow down and let the man know as soon as we take one of the king’s gators? Give me a break. FWC if your reading this post, you need realize you work for the people not the other way around trust me they are reading this. |
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Post by 4ward on Sept 18, 2024 15:14:14 GMT -5
I let Cody handle it today.
His call to FWC was returned by the dingbat. He explained the error she had made, he sent her pictures of the instructions on the permit, the harvest report form and a copy of the rule.
She still doubled down and said "see you in court".
He then got the # of her lieutenant and called him directly.(he was off duty but was kind enough to hear him out)
10 minutes later he called back, instructed Cody to shred the ticket and apologized for his officer.
Officer Williams probably isn't having a very good afternoon.(I hope)
Like cad said, a good learning experience for him.
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Post by olmucky on Sept 18, 2024 15:49:36 GMT -5
I let Cody handle it today. His call to FWC was returned by the dingbat. He explained the error she had made, he sent her pictures of the instructions on the permit, the harvest report form and a copy of the rule. She still doubled down and said "see you in court". He then got the # of her lieutenant and called him directly.(he was off duty but was kind enough to hear him out) 10 minutes later he called back, instructed Cody to shred the ticket and apologized for his officer. Officer Williams probably isn't having a very good afternoon.(I hope) Like cad said, a good learning experience for him. Good to hear. |
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Post by JS84 on Sept 18, 2024 16:30:35 GMT -5
Cody should call her back and see if she needs anything else to close out the case. Joking of course, let sleeping female dogs lie.
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Post by osceola on Sept 18, 2024 18:51:44 GMT -5
This Should Be Fun....
I am wondering if in fact this event even happened.Worth a direct inquiry to FWCC,just for fun and curiosity.
Let's see a photo here of the shred ticket,and other evidence.
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Post by 4ward on Sept 18, 2024 18:57:43 GMT -5
Officer Teresa Williams and Lieutenant Hayes. Give them a call.
And Fuck You!
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Post by osceola on Sept 18, 2024 19:11:35 GMT -5
Good info; Officer and Lieutenant names noted.
Thank you. Thank you for messing with me a little.
Never argue with an idiot. (Just _ with them a little. And never say the _ word to a law officer)
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Post by wildman on Sept 19, 2024 7:14:43 GMT -5
Glad to hear it got resolved, although it shouldn't have been necessary in the first place.
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Post by JS84 on Sept 19, 2024 7:42:44 GMT -5
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Post by wayvis on Sept 19, 2024 8:56:14 GMT -5
I let Cody handle it today. His call to FWC was returned by the dingbat. He explained the error she had made, he sent her pictures of the instructions on the permit, the harvest report form and a copy of the rule. She still doubled down and said "see you in court". He then got the # of her lieutenant and called him directly.(he was off duty but was kind enough to hear him out) 10 minutes later he called back, instructed Cody to shred the ticket and apologized for his officer. Officer Williams probably isn't having a very good afternoon.(I hope) Like cad said, a good learning experience for him. Good learning experience, but I hope he got something in writing from the lieutenant. |
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Post by One Man Gang on Sept 19, 2024 9:21:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I would be inclined to follow up on it, just to be sure.
I'm glad you and your boy stood up to such an over reach.
The old state GFC used to be a friend of the sportsman but has morphed into what we have today; Suspicious, accusatory, and overzealous denizens of a law enforcement arm that used to act more like a partner... More like the Feds now.
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Post by cadman on Sept 19, 2024 11:51:36 GMT -5
Before shredding the ticket, it should have an appearance date on it. Call the clerk of court a week before that date and be sure your son isn't on the court schedule.
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Post by Glenn on Sept 19, 2024 17:31:49 GMT -5
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Post by 4ward on Sept 19, 2024 17:33:03 GMT -5
Not her, Josh. Very early 20’s w/dark hair.( So I am told) We won’t push things any further but, Cody passed her on the highway yesterday evening… He waved, She didn’t.LOL |
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Post by pinman on Sept 19, 2024 18:31:53 GMT -5
You gotta know the law BETTER than the game warden! Glad you got it squared away. Ive had my run-ins over the years and I always knew the rules. Best one was the GW who said you cant have fishing and hunting equipment in the boat at the same time.....Huh?  |
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Post by swampdog on Sept 20, 2024 5:22:51 GMT -5
Sounds like Cody’s taking the “high” road. I’d be proud of that.
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Post by richm on Sept 21, 2024 15:55:21 GMT -5
I've found the last couple encounters with FWC - males mostly, to be less than desirable. They don't know the rules and refuse to look at the rules when you present those to correct them.
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Post by anumber1 on Sept 21, 2024 16:09:00 GMT -5
Good deal for your son, I usually have a good working reletionship with our local officers but sometimes you meet a strange one.
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Post by 4ward on Sept 21, 2024 16:44:11 GMT -5
Good deal for your son, I usually have a good working reletionship with our local officers but sometimes you meet a strange one. We do as well. She is just a newby. The rest is up to her. |
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Post by 4ward on Oct 13, 2024 15:13:53 GMT -5
There may be more to this story.
Original charges are confirmed to have been dropped.
Some retaliation ( including surveillance) seems to be going on. I won’t say more until it happens again.
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Post by walkerdog on Oct 13, 2024 16:10:47 GMT -5
Andy is good people. If your suspicion is correct, he will take care of it, if one of his officers needs to be reminded about what they are supposed to be doing while on duty.
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