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Post by cadman on Aug 30, 2024 5:25:51 GMT -5
1-5% profit margin is gouging? ( overall not just one or two products ) What's 5% of 100M? 1B? Which would you rather have? 5% of 100M would be 5M.
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Post by cadman on Aug 30, 2024 5:39:40 GMT -5
1-5% profit margin is gouging? ( overall not just one or two products ) The 1% to 5% is net profit after all expenses, not profit margin. Kroger's net profit was 2.2% on $150 billion in sales. Kroger's average profit margin is around 23% (this includes cost of advertising, warehousing, etc. gross margin is much higher) and varies by item. That candy at the register has about a 50% gross margin. Gross profit is typically high on health and beauty products. Price gouging is a nice political term. Legally, it ain't price gouging in a normal free market situation. The issue of price gouging occurs when you have a state of emergency, an unscrupulous seller and no competition. I think everyone would agree price gouging after a hurricane or other disaster is wrong. But otherwise, price gouging does not exist as you have a choice to buy elsewhere.
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Post by olmucky on Aug 30, 2024 6:31:36 GMT -5
1-5% profit margin is gouging? ( overall not just one or two products ) The 1% to 5% is net profit after all expenses, not profit margin.. thanks for the correction So the call out on price gouging is wrong and she should be ashamed. But that’s politics.
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Post by cadman on Aug 30, 2024 8:18:23 GMT -5
The 1% to 5% is net profit after all expenses, not profit margin.. thanks for the correction So the call out on price gouging is wrong and she should be ashamed. But that’s politics. As I said on another post. Many states address price gouging during a state of emergency, if she wants to address price gouging during a state of emergency at the national level, it may or may not work. It would depend on how congress wrote the law. Most states operate on a complaint basis. A consumer files a complaint, the agency in charge reviews the complaint, notidies the retailer of the complaint and asks for a response. The retailer will respond with some financial data showing no price gouging took affect, as the law defines it. 99% never get past this level unless the retailer really was price gouging. I actually had such a complaint filed once during a hurricane and sent the state copies of my fuel invoices showing where my supplier had raised prices and my margins were the same as they had been. That was the end of it. I doubt they went after Chevron at the time, but I do not know. The state used a 90 day window before the emergency as the base mark. So I am a little familiar with how Florida works. Most retailers once the governor declared a state of emergency would only change prices by the exact amount the cost went up to them to ensure compliance with the law. the price increase also has to be significant to be price gouging under the law. It the cost went up 10c and the retailer went up 11c, not an issue, if the cost wnet up 10c and the retailer went up 30c, that is a problem. Price gouging during an emergency like covid or a hurricane is wrong. Any business guilty of such behavior should be ashamed. I do not doubt that during 2022 manufacturers and retailers took advantage of product shortages to increase profits. But considering that their operating costs were increasing during this period due to energy and shipping costs, how much of it was price gouging and how much was to cover increased operating costs. It is a difficult decision and not an easy solution. It isn't as simple of an issue as you, politicians, and others want to make it. Using Kroger as an example, while it appears their operating profit increased $1.35 billion from 2020 to 2022, which would make many think they were price gouging, their sales increased $15 billion during this period and their profit margins remained at about 22%. they just sold more product, which I think is the case for many retailers during that period. consumer spending increased dramatically during 2022. But I have no issue if congress wishes to address price gouging during a national emergency. I think the law would need to be carefully written so that they do not discourage manufacturers and wholesalers from increasing supply when needed.
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Aug 30, 2024 8:32:21 GMT -5
What's 5% of 100M? 1B? Which would you rather have? 5% of 100M would be 5M. Yes but 5% of 1B would be 50M
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Post by Captj on Aug 30, 2024 8:40:24 GMT -5
Antitrust laws are regulations that promote competition and protect consumers from unfair business practices. They apply to a variety of business activities, including: price fixing, market allocation, bid rigging, and monopolies. The major players do talk among themselves and contrary to some opinions here do engage in setting market prices. You can shop wherever you prefer, but compare pricing among staples and you'll not see much of a choice price wise. Big box items such as appliances are basically priced the same no matter where you shop. Gas prices are affected by local and state and federal taxes. If you don't like the price, don't buy it. Demand drives the market.
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Post by olmucky on Aug 30, 2024 8:56:46 GMT -5
Yes but 5% of 1B would be 50M What’s 5% of 100k?
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Post by meateater on Aug 30, 2024 11:41:05 GMT -5
why dont we start with the top 2 biggest scumbags, big pharma and insurance companies. rest of this shit is just a distraction.
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Post by johngalt on Aug 30, 2024 12:27:04 GMT -5
Prices will stay where they are as long as people pay the price. Or until a competitor drops their price. That’s how a free market works.
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Post by johngalt on Aug 30, 2024 12:28:02 GMT -5
1-5% profit margin is gouging? ( overall not just one or two products ) The 1% to 5% is net profit after all expenses, not profit margin. Kroger's net profit was 2.2% on $150 billion in sales. Kroger's average profit margin is around 23% (this includes cost of advertising, warehousing, etc. gross margin is much higher) and varies by item. That candy at the register has about a 50% gross margin. Gross profit is typically high on health and beauty products. Price gouging is a nice political term. Legally, it ain't price gouging in a normal free market situation. The issue of price gouging occurs when you have a state of emergency, an unscrupulous seller and no competition. I think everyone would agree price gouging after a hurricane or other disaster is wrong. But otherwise, price gouging does not exist as you have a choice to buy elsewhere. Thank you. 👍
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Post by johngalt on Aug 30, 2024 12:29:57 GMT -5
Antitrust laws are regulations that promote competition and protect consumers from unfair business practices. They apply to a variety of business activities, including: price fixing, market allocation, bid rigging, and monopolies. The major players do talk among themselves and contrary to some opinions here do engage in setting market prices. You can shop wherever you prefer, but compare pricing among staples and you'll not see much of a choice price wise. Big box items such as appliances are basically priced the same no matter where you shop. Gas prices are affected by local and state and federal taxes. If you don't like the price, don't buy it. Demand drives the market. Does it apply to big tech? Or big pharma? I guess it depends on how much money they donate to whom?🤔
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Post by biminitwisted on Aug 30, 2024 12:41:15 GMT -5
Antitrust laws are regulations that promote competition and protect consumers from unfair business practices. They apply to a variety of business activities, including: price fixing, market allocation, bid rigging, and monopolies. The major players do talk among themselves and contrary to some opinions here do engage in setting market prices. You can shop wherever you prefer, but compare pricing among staples and you'll not see much of a choice price wise. Big box items such as appliances are basically priced the same no matter where you shop. Gas prices are affected by local and state and federal taxes. If you don't like the price, don't buy it. Demand drives the market. Does it apply to big tech? Or big pharma? I guess it depends on how much money they donate to whom?🤔 So I guess you're okay with Trump's government-paid-for IVF treatments, right?
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Post by cadman on Aug 30, 2024 14:00:37 GMT -5
Does it apply to big tech? Or big pharma? I guess it depends on how much money they donate to whom?🤔 So I guess you're okay with Trump's government-paid-for IVF treatments, right? I want to know how he plans on paying for all these freebies. Harris has said she is raising taxes on those over a certain income and increasing corporate taxes. But even with those increases her "freebies" will add $2 trillion to the deficit over 10 years. I don't agree with the freebies and think she needs a plan to pay for all of it, but she is willing to say taxes will increase for some. Trump's "freebies" are expected to add $5.8 trillion over the next decade and that was before his latest "freebie". He has yet stated how he plans to pay for all these giveaways. His campaign staff says when he lowers energy prices the money will magically flow to the government to pay for everything and reduce the debt. We are fucked is all I can say. I have said before we will survive whichever one gets elected, but the next President after the disaster one of these two cause will have to make some really unpopular choices regarding tax increases and cutting services.
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Post by Captj on Aug 30, 2024 16:01:57 GMT -5
Antitrust laws are regulations that promote competition and protect consumers from unfair business practices. They apply to a variety of business activities, including: price fixing, market allocation, bid rigging, and monopolies. The major players do talk among themselves and contrary to some opinions here do engage in setting market prices. You can shop wherever you prefer, but compare pricing among staples and you'll not see much of a choice price wise. Big box items such as appliances are basically priced the same no matter where you shop. Gas prices are affected by local and state and federal taxes. If you don't like the price, don't buy it. Demand drives the market. Does it apply to big tech? Or big pharma? I guess it depends on how much money they donate to whom?🤔 To my knowledge these laws are rarely enforced except when the players involved weren't adhering to the "rules of the game" in place at the time. Or to be clear weren't taking proper care of the justice officials involved. From what I can observe now they aren't being used at all. And yes, big tech, big pharma, and/or any other giant (Amazon, E-Bay to name a couple) abuses their position of market place power should be held accountable. Remember, small businesses make up the bulk of our market vendors and they deserve a fair shake.
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Post by walkerdog on Sept 1, 2024 15:50:20 GMT -5
While testifying to a Federal Trade Commission attorney Tuesday, Kroger's Senior Director for Pricing Andy Groff said the grocery giant had raised prices for eggs and milk beyond inflation levels. On milk and eggs, retail inflation has been significantly higher than cost inflation," Groff said in the internal email to other Kroger executives. But don’t worry I’m sure they were the only ones doing it Inflation isn’t the only valid consideration, when setting prices. Just saying.
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