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Post by cyclist on Aug 22, 2024 9:03:02 GMT -5
Don't remember any golf courses. Maybe a historical lodge or 2. There are plenty of golf courses on state parks all over the US. Different states may have different values...but the Florida State park system is a national model whose mission is conservation, preservation and passive resource based recreation. Its their mission statement that drives their goals. Golf courses is not one of them.
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Post by tampaspicer on Aug 22, 2024 9:09:03 GMT -5
Why are all of the meetings on the same date and time for each park? Kind of hard to speak out for or against multiple parks with the way the meetings are setup.
Looks like they are going through with this regardless of what is said at the meetings.
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Post by JS84 on Aug 22, 2024 9:17:25 GMT -5
"The meetings will consist of a presentation and an opportunity for public comment, but with only an hour allotted, they do not appear to include a question-and-answer period."
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Post by madm002 on Aug 22, 2024 9:50:52 GMT -5
You did not answer the question... Instead you tried to deflect. and put me on the defensive... But I seldom ask a question I do not know the answer to...
I am not like Pete... And I seldom agree with him... But Pete comes from one of the greatest pioneer families of this state.... Knowing where Pete comes from... I have
often been puzzled by some of the bullshit pete talks about... But pete confuses his own family as well.....
I have come to realize that pete is the Idiotic poet laureate of his family.... He is the progressive idiot that once in a while speaks volumes of truth...
And this time... Pete is not only telling the truth... Not some idiotic poetic version of the truth... As he sees it.... But the real truth... And Facts bear his truth.....
There are already proposed significant changes to nine state parks... that the powers that be hoped to slip through with only a few days notice of public meetings..
Anastasia Island State Park - a 350 room lodge, four pickle ball courts and a disc golf course Hillsborough River State Park - Pickle ball courts and disc Golf Course
Jonathon Dickinson State Park - Public Golf Course
Dr. Von D. Mizell-Eula Johnson State Park - Pickle Ball Courts Oleta River State Park - Glamping... Yes... Glamping...Pickle ball courts and Disc Golf
Honeymoon Island State Park - Pickle Ball Courts
Camp Helen State Park - More Cabins (I have no issue with that) And Glamping.. yes Glamping... Again
Topsail Hill Preserve State Park - a 350 room lodge Pickle Ball courts and a Disc Golf Course
Grayton Beach State Park - Pickle Ball Courts and Disc Golf Course
And while Pete may be an idiotic Poet Laureate.... Well you are just a fucking idiot...
Why is Martin county singled out for this. There are so many other golf courses around including Sailfish Sands which is practically empty for 8 months out of the year. I golf alot. There are enough public options right now, or even semi-private that allow the public, we do not need more golf courses on public land. The Atlantic Field and Apogee developments are already egregious, albeit Apogee is going to be private.
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Post by cyclist on Aug 22, 2024 10:06:19 GMT -5
You did not answer the question... Instead you tried to deflect. and put me on the defensive... But I seldom ask a question I do not know the answer to...
I am not like Pete... And I seldom agree with him... But Pete comes from one of the greatest pioneer families of this state.... Knowing where Pete comes from... I have
often been puzzled by some of the bullshit pete talks about... But pete confuses his own family as well.....
I have come to realize that pete is the Idiotic poet laureate of his family.... He is the progressive idiot that once in a while speaks volumes of truth...
And this time... Pete is not only telling the truth... Not some idiotic poetic version of the truth... As he sees it.... But the real truth... And Facts bear his truth.....
There are already proposed significant changes to nine state parks... that the powers that be hoped to slip through with only a few days notice of public meetings..
Anastasia Island State Park - a 350 room lodge, four pickle ball courts and a disc golf course Hillsborough River State Park - Pickle ball courts and disc Golf Course
Jonathon Dickinson State Park - Public Golf Course
Dr. Von D. Mizell-Eula Johnson State Park - Pickle Ball Courts Oleta River State Park - Glamping... Yes... Glamping...Pickle ball courts and Disc Golf
Honeymoon Island State Park - Pickle Ball Courts
Camp Helen State Park - More Cabins (I have no issue with that) And Glamping.. yes Glamping... Again
Topsail Hill Preserve State Park - a 350 room lodge Pickle Ball courts and a Disc Golf Course
Grayton Beach State Park - Pickle Ball Courts and Disc Golf Course
And while Pete may be an idiotic Poet Laureate.... Well you are just a fucking idiot...
Why is Martin county singled out for this. There are so many other golf courses around including Sailfish Sands which is practically empty for 8 months out of the year. I golf alot. There are enough public options right now, or even semi-private that allow the public, we do not need more golf courses on public land. The Atlantic Field and Apogee developments are already egregious, albeit Apogee is going to be private. I'm telling you its desatinist trying to benefit some buds on his way out the door.
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Post by anumber1 on Aug 22, 2024 10:20:51 GMT -5
There are plenty of golf courses on state parks all over the US. Different states may have different values...but the Florida State park system is a national model whose mission is conservation, preservation and passive resource based recreation. Its their mission statement that drives their goals. Golf courses is not one of them. they don't preserve shit where I live, they don't burn and spray very little for pepper trees. When this area was privately owned the hammocks were in much better shape and burns were conducted every spring.
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Post by cyclist on Aug 22, 2024 10:33:45 GMT -5
Different states may have different values...but the Florida State park system is a national model whose mission is conservation, preservation and passive resource based recreation. Its their mission statement that drives their goals. Golf courses is not one of them. they don't preserve shit where I live, they don't burn and spray very little for pepper trees. When this area was privately owned the hammocks were in much better shape and burns were conducted every spring. Name the parks that have issues. I attend 5 and 10 year management plan meetings...2 day events with field surveys and ranking of success for every management item. I will try an attend the next meeting, and you can too. Sometimes its a fine line to thread. You can't score a park low on exotic removal if they don't have the funding or man power. But I do run into managers that don't get things done with the resources they have.
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Post by cyclist on Aug 22, 2024 10:35:02 GMT -5
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Post by olmucky on Aug 22, 2024 10:59:37 GMT -5
Let’s not forget which party gave us miami wpb Ft. Lauderdale and the demise of a huge chunk of the Everglades as we know it in the name of profit and progress
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Post by JS84 on Aug 22, 2024 12:59:15 GMT -5
One of the few times we're going to have hunters, hikers, birders, horse folk, etc all in agreeance.
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Post by swampdog on Aug 22, 2024 16:19:29 GMT -5
I’m thinking some new “outdoors” lovers visited some of the targeted parks and didn’t like the noisy owls, mosquitoes and boring quiet. They had to do without some of the comforts, yet want to be “cool outdoors lovers”, so have gained the ear of our law makers and the governor himself. Because they are of the wealthy influencer types, they’re bound to get their wishes. It’s a sad day for the environment and especially these parks.
I’ve seen folks find and begin to use some of the secluded island communities, and state all that’s needed are folks that can deliver groceries, ice, remove their trash and transport them back and forth. They tout the seclusion, the scenic beauty and enjoyment of the scenic views, then lazily want the changes they live with daily back home.
Terrible idea! I sure wish our governor cared about all constituents and not just the ones that contributed campaign dollars.
PS: feel free to edit, delete or post in the political forum if necessary. I just needed to vent.
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Post by walkerdog on Aug 23, 2024 7:29:51 GMT -5
they don't preserve shit where I live, they don't burn and spray very little for pepper trees. When this area was privately owned the hammocks were in much better shape and burns were conducted every spring. Name the parks that have issues. I attend 5 and 10 year management plan meetings...2 day events with field surveys and ranking of success for every management item. I will try an attend the next meeting, and you can too. Sometimes its a fine line to thread. You can't score a park low on exotic removal if they don't have the funding or man power. But I do run into managers that don't get things done with the resources they have. I’ve participated in a number of these reviews over the years as well. You CAN score the area low, if management is not sufficiently controlling exotics for ANY reason….. including lack of funding. The field review is not an exercise that measures the manager. It only measures the management that has occurred. Receiving a low score for lack of achieving the goal can help increase future funding.
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Post by cyclist on Aug 23, 2024 7:38:00 GMT -5
Name the parks that have issues. I attend 5 and 10 year management plan meetings...2 day events with field surveys and ranking of success for every management item. I will try an attend the next meeting, and you can too. Sometimes its a fine line to thread. You can't score a park low on exotic removal if they don't have the funding or man power. But I do run into managers that don't get things done with the resources they have. I’ve participated in a number of these reviews over the years as well. You CAN score the area low, if management is not sufficiently controlling exotics for ANY reason….. including lack of funding. The field review is not an exercise that measures the manager. It only measures the management that has occurred. Receiving a low score for lack of achieving the goal can help increase future funding. There is also a section to score or discuss funding and staffing issues. Some great managers do a lot with little. Ultimately the scoring reflects on the managers.
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Post by walkerdog on Aug 23, 2024 7:55:25 GMT -5
Or the manager’s managers in Tallahassee.
If it’s not happening, it should receive a low score. Otherwise nothing changes.
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Post by cyclist on Aug 23, 2024 8:21:59 GMT -5
Or the manager’s managers in Tallahassee. If it’s not happening, it should receive a low score. Otherwise nothing changes. I agree and may not have explained myself well. It will get a low score but in the suggestion or improvement sections the low score will be discussed not as a managers failure but as a funding or staffing issue.
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