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Post by bswiv on Aug 14, 2024 5:18:53 GMT -5
From the Guardian.......no lover of Trump. More specifically from Margaret Sullivan, part of her bio being below in bold. By her other columns, and the one I bring up here, she makes clear her detest for Trump. Dig back.....it's clear how she sees it. But......what is more important......and I, someone of no great import, only one of those who tries by sorting through the musings of similar types, by possessing various leanings of those more educated and worldly see it as so and have been saying so....... it is what she notes about the press.
Read with a open mind. Trump lovers will hate her. And those Team Player of the left will deflect from the importance of what she says. I think for fear of what the public might think, a sad commentary that being. Rest assured....she will be voting for Harris......but note her adherence to a standard, a standard that if compared in other instances is much as John Adams defending the British solders who fired the shots on Boston Common. He defended the rule of law.....here she defends the role of journalism in a free society. One bit of it and then a link to the rest. " But Harris should show that she understands that, in a democracy, the press – at least in theory – represents the public, and that the sometimes adversarial relationship between the press and government is foundational."www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/13/kamala-harris-must-speak-to-press============================================================== Margaret M. Sullivan is an American journalist who is the former media columnist for The Washington Post. She was the fifth public editor of The New York Times and the first woman to hold the position. In that role, she reported directly to Arthur Sulzberger, Jr. as the "readers' representative". She began her tenure on September 1, 2012, joining The New York Times from The Buffalo News, where she had been editor and vice-president. Her first column in The Washington Post ran on May 22, 2016. On Nov. 2, 2023, Sullivan was named the executive director for the Craig Newmark Center for Journalism Ethics and Security at the Columbia Journalism School.[1]
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Aug 14, 2024 5:23:58 GMT -5
The Dems are up to their same old tricks
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Post by bswiv on Aug 14, 2024 5:59:38 GMT -5
The Dems are up to their same old tricks You're fighting the wrong battle. Team D once was Team R and Team R was once Team D......... The battle is for the structures, the laws, the institutions of freedom that BOTH Teams have been willing to let go to win their positions. Yes....Team D has been more effective of late in that......but that fact does not change the situation that you must stand for the things that truly hold a society together, that make it tend to be peaceful.
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Post by ferris1248 on Aug 14, 2024 6:50:23 GMT -5
The Dems are up to their same old tricks You're fighting the wrong battle. Team D once was Team R and Team R was once Team D......... The battle is for the structures, the laws, the institutions of freedom that BOTH Teams have been willing to let go to win their positions. Yes....Team D has been more effective of late in that......but that fact does not change the situation that you must stand for the things that truly hold a society together, that make it tend to be peaceful. People with blinders on do not have peripheral vision. They only see what's at the end of their nose. The article is well said. At some point Harris needs to have a sit down with someone of repute. Or does she? If polls keep moving in her favor, why risk it? I think she needs to. But if I'm running her campaign, I might think otherwise....for now.
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Post by bswiv on Aug 14, 2024 7:35:03 GMT -5
You're fighting the wrong battle. Team D once was Team R and Team R was once Team D......... The battle is for the structures, the laws, the institutions of freedom that BOTH Teams have been willing to let go to win their positions. Yes....Team D has been more effective of late in that......but that fact does not change the situation that you must stand for the things that truly hold a society together, that make it tend to be peaceful. People with blinders on do not have peripheral vision. They only see what's at the end of their nose. The article is well said. At some point Harris needs to have a sit down with someone of repute. Or does she? If polls keep moving in her favor, why risk it? I think she needs to. But if I'm running her campaign, I might think otherwise....for now. I think we'll note no call from certain quarters for her suggested action.......winning in the short term being their only tangible goal..... Which is sorta pathetic......because if she is good, that good, that popular, her policies that approved of......well.....you'd surely want the effect of those COATTAILS to drag up House and Senate numbers for Team D......if you were on Team D. At least one thought comes to mind as why they would not do such......
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Post by toldya on Aug 14, 2024 7:44:08 GMT -5
It doesn't matter. Anyone who is following politics knows if they are going to vote for the left or the right. Harris will probably get some that haven't a clue as to what is going on and those are the one's to go after. If the right ever starts acting like the left, we are really in trouble.
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Post by bswiv on Aug 14, 2024 8:07:26 GMT -5
It doesn't matter. Anyone who is following politics knows if they are going to vote for the left or the right. Harris will probably get some that haven't a clue as to what is going on and those are the one's to go after. If the right ever starts acting like the left, we are really in trouble. Actually......it's the 4-5% who follow tangentially or who do so with a eye to actual discernment do matter........and they are moveable one way of another. And I'd add this thought......if/when they decide that someone is hiding from them what will they do? A old adage..Better the evil one knows....?? But......it's politics.......and I can't figure it all out. Except to this extent......neither will be as bad as the Team Players think........the real danger being the issue that started this thread.
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Post by toldya on Aug 14, 2024 8:17:03 GMT -5
If someone has seen what Biden has done the last 3 1/2 years and what Trump has done the 4 years prior and they are still deciding, they aren't interested in what is best for this Country. If someone is trying to get those voters on their side, they ain't getting much . The Dems don't care who are how they can gain votes. Not so much on the Republican side as we know what really matters .
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Post by cadman on Aug 14, 2024 8:33:40 GMT -5
Harris will likely do some press conferences just before or after the convention. But right now, polling indicates the strategy of campaigning is working. She is getting her message out successfully, it appears.
In any case, there is a debate on September 10th to see how she does.
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Post by cyclist on Aug 14, 2024 8:38:56 GMT -5
If someone has seen what Biden has done the last 3 1/2 years and what Trump has done the 4 years prior and they are still deciding, they aren't interested in what is best for this Country. If someone is trying to get those voters on their side, they ain't getting much . The Dems don't care who are how they can gain votes. Not so much on the Republican side as we know what really matters . Nope...the trumpers are delusional he did more harm by far. Just look at his spending coupled with tax breaks and resultant inflation. He was a train wreck. Harris is beginning the process of rolling put her policies. More to come. www.ctvnews.ca/world/what-we-know-so-far-about-kamala-harris-policy-1.6999072
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Post by meateater on Aug 14, 2024 8:42:38 GMT -5
Harris will likely do some press conferences just before or after the convention. But right now, polling indicates the strategy of campaigning is working. She is getting her message out successfully, it appears. In any case, there is a debate on September 10th to see how she does. whats her message, policies. dont be fibbing and no trump excuses. go
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Post by bswiv on Aug 14, 2024 8:51:53 GMT -5
If someone has seen what Biden has done the last 3 1/2 years and what Trump has done the 4 years prior and they are still deciding, they aren't interested in what is best for this Country. If someone is trying to get those voters on their side, they ain't getting much . The Dems don't care who are how they can gain votes. Not so much on the Republican side as we know what really matters . Nope...the trumpers are delusional he did more by far. Just look at his spending coupled with tax breaks and resultant inflation. He was a train wreck. Harris is beginning the process of rolling put her policies. More to come. www.ctvnews.ca/world/what-we-know-so-far-about-kamala-harris-policy-1.6999072I started it because of how important the PRESS is and the admirable case she makes for it doing what it needs to do in a free society. Better we don't get led astray with But Trump or But Biden for none of that will matter if we loose the press......and a free press.....one at least nominally attached to standards. Focus man.....focus......please.
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Post by bswiv on Aug 14, 2024 8:58:03 GMT -5
Harris will likely do some press conferences just before or after the convention. But right now, polling indicates the strategy of campaigning is working. She is getting her message out successfully, it appears. In any case, there is a debate on September 10th to see how she does. A debate is not engaging with the press......yes......it is something.......ample recent history to attest to that.......but that recent history of the value of a debate only exists because the press did not do its job and allow the Democrats to know the truth so that they could do a proper internal vetting and voting. If there is not a Democrat in the WH next year it will be the press's fault.......IMHO........and I might be okay with the result, yet frustrated that the choices were as they were, were determined as they were. Talk about banana republic......we've not got banana press...... If you hear that anywhere else let me know......I want credit for getting it started......
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Post by ferris1248 on Aug 14, 2024 9:01:15 GMT -5
I started it because of how important the PRESS is and the admirable case she makes for it doing what it needs to do in a free society. Better we don't get led astray with But Trump or But Biden for none of that will matter if we loose the press......and a free press.....one at least nominally attached to standards. Focus man.....focus......please. I think your point kinda flew over the heads of some.
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Post by mapper on Aug 14, 2024 13:28:56 GMT -5
I agree that a free press in theory is a good foundational point. It is also the first amendement to our constitution. The article was a editorial, which is fine for expressing a journalistic opinion. It is the proper format, and she makes valid points. I would like to see a town hall, or interview with hardball questions on issues and policy. I would like to see how a person running for president thinks on their feet, not a reading from a prepared speech. Off the cuff, unscripted, run what you brought to the races, ready for any question and able to give a coherent answer, even if it is a "I don't know at this point, but I will get a group of stakeholders from both sides to be able to see the issues and any unintended consequences of actions before deciding" but I will get back to you on it.
As far as journalism, I would like to see a return to news, and opinion with clear divisions instead of a blending of opinion with a few news facts. But it seems like that is the format of all the news media these days, so one must look at multiple sources and try and filter out opinion from facts. Kamala has been hiding behind comatose Joe, and he has had his handlers keep him out of media unless extremely scripted appearances. The campaign should be about issues and policy, but I doubt we will see much of that as the strategic play seems to be about ego, truthfulness, never trump, anyone other than trump, Team d, Team R, red,blue, donkeys and elephants, you know typical political circus.
Trump did the Twitter thing because he did not want media spin on things. Previously media covered press releases and events, and had bias involved.
I don't think the press ever got over that aspect of him.
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