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Post by TRTerror on Sept 13, 2024 18:26:09 GMT -5
Ain't worried about your Credit ? Screw them freaking losers..
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Post by toldya on Sept 13, 2024 18:47:25 GMT -5
Don't assume I signed anything or what it detailed if I did . You anti-Trumpers are often against personal responsibility. She made the mistake and her company is liable. If you took your Ford truck someplace and told them you wanted work done under warranty and they did the work under those circumstances you would not be liable if they later sent you a bill and said they don't do Ford warranty and admit they shouldn't have performed any actions. I was just trying to help you. You had to sign forms or they would not have treated you. So you do whatever you want. I really don't give a fuck. If I take my truck in and tell them I want work under warranty, they will have a form I sign that stipulates all work done will be under warranty and I agree to pay for any work not covered by warranty up to a certain dollar amount without my prior approval. They then will not do any work until they contact the warranty company and get approval. It might take days for that approval and I will be out the use of my truck waiting on it. Your situation is different in the respect you say it was an emergency care facility. Under those circumstances, they can not wait the several hours to get approval and treat you as quickly as possible and you definitely signed paperwork when you checked in. Every single facility I have ever been to has check in forms you fill out and sign. But you go ahead and ignore it instead of doing the easy thing which is contact the VA, fill out their forms, have them pay you and you pay the facility. If the warranty company was willing to pay me and i pay the repair facility, I would do that instead of acting like a child about it. Nobody is telling you to pay it out of pocket, but take the easy route and get the VA to pay it by whatever means it takes. Dumbass, you have to notify the VA within 72 hours if you get treated at a non VA approved facility. They said they were a VA approved facility and did not say otherwise till weeks later. Furthermore if you took your truck somewhere and they approved your full warranty before doing any repairs and then later tried to bill you for repairs, it's on you if you want to pay for somebody's admitted mistake. Has nothing to do with the type or scope of work as they would be covered under the warranty as they said they would be, by approving your warranty before any work was done.
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Post by ferris1248 on Sept 13, 2024 18:51:44 GMT -5
I was just trying to help you. You had to sign forms or they would not have treated you. So you do whatever you want. I really don't give a fuck. If I take my truck in and tell them I want work under warranty, they will have a form I sign that stipulates all work done will be under warranty and I agree to pay for any work not covered by warranty up to a certain dollar amount without my prior approval. They then will not do any work until they contact the warranty company and get approval. It might take days for that approval and I will be out the use of my truck waiting on it. Your situation is different in the respect you say it was an emergency care facility. Under those circumstances, they can not wait the several hours to get approval and treat you as quickly as possible and you definitely signed paperwork when you checked in. Every single facility I have ever been to has check in forms you fill out and sign. But you go ahead and ignore it instead of doing the easy thing which is contact the VA, fill out their forms, have them pay you and you pay the facility. If the warranty company was willing to pay me and i pay the repair facility, I would do that instead of acting like a child about it. Nobody is telling you to pay it out of pocket, but take the easy route and get the VA to pay it by whatever means it takes. Dumbass, you have to notify the VA within 72 hours if you get treated at a non VA approved facility. They said they were a VA approved facility and did not say otherwise till weeks later. Furthermore if you took your truck somewhere and they approved your full warranty before doing any repairs and then later tried to bill you for repairs, it's on you if you want to pay for somebody's admitted mistake. Has nothing to do with the type or scope of work as they would be covered under the warranty as they said they would be, by approving your warranty before any work was done. And that's why you need to contact VA. Your hardheadedness is amazing. This could be easily solved.
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Post by toldya on Sept 13, 2024 18:59:22 GMT -5
Think logically for a moment. For example- As if you took your vehicle that was under full warranty to get work done . You checked with them and showed them your paperwork and they said you were covered and then worked on your vehicle . Weeks later they send you a bill and when you talk to them about it they say they made a mistake and are not authorized to do warranty work on your vehicle so now they want you to pay thousands of dollars . If you're dumb enough to pay thousands of dollars for something that was someone else's fault and they are admitting they were at fault and all evidence shows they were at fault, that's on you. As I said, Good luck. (By the way, I read what I sign and there ain't no way in hell they treated you without you signing a personal guarantee. ) Who you arguing with? I said I don't think I signed anything but that I may have. Wouldn't matter anyway because I only would have signed it after they approved my insurance . There is no dispute over the fact that they told told me I was covered and they were admittedly wrong in telling me that. I talked to the VA and they are not involved at this point unless they want to go after a care facility that tells veterans they are covered when they aren't. I could get the VA involved if they harass me or threaten to make me pay. My position is that I'm not going to pay it. Whatever happens , if anything more, will not put any of my money in their pocket. and that is what I honestly tell anyone involved in the issue.
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Post by walkerdog on Sept 13, 2024 19:14:32 GMT -5
Even worse, they turn it over to a collection agency in a year or two that files small claims and then he has court costs on top of the bill he owes. No place sees you until you sign the treatment forms, one of them is you are responsible for the bill. It is simple to contact the VA and get them to him for the emergency care and then he pays the facility and he doesn't have to worry about it haunting him down the road. They may just write off such a small amount, but many walk-in clinics turn unpaid debts to collectors whose job is to get the money and not be nice about it. They don’t usually just turn anything over to collections. They typically sell the debt to the collection agency at a discount. They will bargain. especially if it could become a PR problem for them.
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Post by cadman on Sept 13, 2024 19:20:05 GMT -5
Even worse, they turn it over to a collection agency in a year or two that files small claims and then he has court costs on top of the bill he owes. No place sees you until you sign the treatment forms, one of them is you are responsible for the bill. It is simple to contact the VA and get them to him for the emergency care and then he pays the facility and he doesn't have to worry about it haunting him down the road. They may just write off such a small amount, but many walk-in clinics turn unpaid debts to collectors whose job is to get the money and not be nice about it. They don’t usually just turn anything over to collections. They typically sell the debt to the collection agency at a discount. They will bargain. especially if it could become a PR problem for them. The thing is he could likely solve this by talking to the VA.
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Post by walkerdog on Sept 13, 2024 19:30:07 GMT -5
Ain't worried about your Credit ? Screw them freaking losers.. It’s one reason why I avoid debt. No CC’s. No vehicle loans. Small mortgage left but that ls it. Soon it will be gone too. I had collections people chase me once me claiming I owed a debt to a utility company I’ve never heard of or done business with. Told them to provide the original bill and I’d gladly pay it, if it was legitimate. They never did and I never did. Didn’t worry about it, because I’m pretty sure it was a fraudulent claim and, regardless, I didn’t need credit for a loan anyway. Why some people choose to enslave themselves with debt is beyond me. There are only a few things in life worth borrowing for, IMO.
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Post by toldya on Sept 13, 2024 21:02:46 GMT -5
They don’t usually just turn anything over to collections. They typically sell the debt to the collection agency at a discount. They will bargain. especially if it could become a PR problem for them. The thing is he could likely solve this by talking to the VA. As I said, I talked to the VA and told them the situation . That's how I found out that the provider facility was not in their network. They were not authorized tp accept VA insurance but they did. If the VA wants to follow up on that, I would gladly be of assistance if needed . They don't seem too interested . I went to a facility on the same street as the one in question . The receptionist asked me for my insurance card and when she saw it, it was " Sorry we don't accept VA " The 2nd place I went accepted it . I was looking at the paperwork they sent me regarding the bill ,so I'm going to request a copy of anything they have related to this, which they state they will provide. I also have a list of other things I am going to request from them. I'll see how far they want to go . I don't see the VA paying them outright and would probably have a better chance of getting reimbursed if I just paid the bill . I doubt I'm going to get it in writing that if I pay the bill the VA will reimburse me immediately , so me paying the bill is off the table.
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Post by toldya on Sept 13, 2024 21:13:24 GMT -5
The thing is he could likely solve this by talking to the VA. As I said, I talked to the VA and told them the situation . That's how I found out that the provider facility was not in their network. They were not authorized tp accept VA insurance but they did. If the VA wants to follow up on that, I would gladly be of assistance if needed . They don't seem too interested . I went to a facility on the same street as the one in question . The receptionist asked me for my insurance card and when she saw it, it was " Sorry we don't accept VA " The 2nd place I went accepted it . I was looking at the paperwork they sent me regarding the bill ,so I'm going to request a copy of anything they have related to this, which they state they will provide. I also have a list of other things I am going to request from them. I'll see how far they want to go . I don't see the VA paying them outright and would probably have a better chance of getting reimbursed if I just paid the bill . I doubt I'm going to get it in writing that if I pay the bill the VA will reimburse me immediately , so me paying the bill is off the table. But first on the list will be that everything be done through an e-mail that I provide and one they provide for communication. There is no e-mail address on the paperwork I received but it's a must have when dealing with this stuff. Don't doubt The Wolf.
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Post by cadman on Sept 14, 2024 6:55:38 GMT -5
The thing is he could likely solve this by talking to the VA. As I said, I talked to the VA and told them the situation . That's how I found out that the provider facility was not in their network. They were not authorized tp accept VA insurance but they did. If the VA wants to follow up on that, I would gladly be of assistance if needed . They don't seem too interested . I went to a facility on the same street as the one in question . The receptionist asked me for my insurance card and when she saw it, it was " Sorry we don't accept VA " The 2nd place I went accepted it . I was looking at the paperwork they sent me regarding the bill ,so I'm going to request a copy of anything they have related to this, which they state they will provide. I also have a list of other things I am going to request from them. I'll see how far they want to go . I don't see the VA paying them outright and would probably have a better chance of getting reimbursed if I just paid the bill . I doubt I'm going to get it in writing that if I pay the bill the VA will reimburse me immediately , so me paying the bill is off the table. No you did not say you had talked to the V.A.. We told you several times to contact the V.A. and you never responded that you had. Your posts indicated you had only been dealing with the facility. The first time Ferris or I said contact the V.A., you could have politely replied that you had already talked to them instead of acting like an ass about it. I never said you should pay it. I said, talk to the V.A. about direct reimbursement to you. Submit the bill to the V.A. and IF THEY AGREE TO PAY YOU SOME AMOUNT (likely less than you owe) Then tell the facility the V.A. only pays that much and that is all you are willing to pay them since they said they took V.A. The V.A. advocates are there to help you in these situations. The V.A. just doesn't want to over pay. They may pay your directly and then, AFTER YOU GET THE MONEY FROM THE VA OR A LETTER CONFIRMING HOW MUCH THEY WILL PAY, then tell the facility that is all they get. It could be a simple solution and you are not out any money. The facility will likely take less because of the time a costs trying to collect. My last piece of advice is, If you do get the V.A. to pay you directly and you get the facility to accept less, be sure to get it in writing from the facility that your account is paid in full.
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Post by TRTerror on Sept 14, 2024 7:35:13 GMT -5
Just throw any mail you get from them in the garbage.. They can bill Kamala.
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Post by toldya on Sept 14, 2024 7:44:11 GMT -5
As I said, I talked to the VA and told them the situation . That's how I found out that the provider facility was not in their network. They were not authorized tp accept VA insurance but they did. If the VA wants to follow up on that, I would gladly be of assistance if needed . They don't seem too interested . I went to a facility on the same street as the one in question . The receptionist asked me for my insurance card and when she saw it, it was " Sorry we don't accept VA " The 2nd place I went accepted it . I was looking at the paperwork they sent me regarding the bill ,so I'm going to request a copy of anything they have related to this, which they state they will provide. I also have a list of other things I am going to request from them. I'll see how far they want to go . I don't see the VA paying them outright and would probably have a better chance of getting reimbursed if I just paid the bill . I doubt I'm going to get it in writing that if I pay the bill the VA will reimburse me immediately , so me paying the bill is off the table. No you did not say you had talked to the V.A.. We told you several times to contact the V.A. and you never responded that you had. Your posts indicated you had only been dealing with the facility. The first time Ferris or I said contact the V.A., you could have politely replied that you had already talked to them instead of acting like an ass about it. I never said you should pay it. I said, talk to the V.A. about direct reimbursement to you. Submit the bill to the V.A. and IF THEY AGREE TO PAY YOU SOME AMOUNT (likely less than you owe) Then tell the facility the V.A. only pays that much and that is all you are willing to pay them since they said they took V.A. The V.A. advocates are there to help you in these situations. The V.A. just doesn't want to over pay. They may pay your directly and then, AFTER YOU GET THE MONEY FROM THE VA OR A LETTER CONFIRMING HOW MUCH THEY WILL PAY, then tell the facility that is all they get.
It could be a simple solution and you are not out any money. The facility will likely take less because of the time a costs trying to collect. My last piece of advice is, If you do get the V.A. to pay you directly and you get the facility to accept less, be sure to get it in writing from the facility that your account is paid in full. I wish I knew everything, like you do.
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Post by ferris1248 on Sept 14, 2024 9:08:27 GMT -5
If you did you probably wouldn't be in this situation.
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Post by toldya on Sept 14, 2024 12:01:13 GMT -5
If you did you probably wouldn't be in this situation. Don't be an idiot. I asked if they accept VA insurance and they said they did. Took my card and treated me under that insurance. They now admit they weren't authorized to accept that insurance . What would you have done differently to not be in a situation where they are asking me to pay. That's the situation.
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Post by ferris1248 on Sept 14, 2024 13:30:11 GMT -5
I would have contacted the VA the very next day to let them know.
As you said, in an emergency you have 72 hours.
Listen. Good luck on the deal. I hope you get it resolved to your satisfaction.
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