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Post by joekat46 on Jul 9, 2023 17:03:46 GMT -5
I've played on these outdoor forums for decades. Lot of time and post on NWTF and plenty of state forums including the defunct FS, Never in all this time have seen as much whining and complaining over how others legally hunt. I'm primarily interested in turkey and am currently in a heated "discussion" on a forum over decoys, Jakes, social media, TSS, blinds, and other supposed no no's. It has gotten to the point that their most vocal participants critize anything that doesn't fit their vision of the perfect hunter. I'm happy to have a place to hunt where the laws and limits are followed and everyone enjoys themselves.
Anyone else noticing this trend toward elitism? I'm sure I'll burn a few bridges soon over on Old Gobbler but no longer care . A gaggle of nitwits.
This may have been better served in Off Topic Couldn't decide.
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Post by swampdog on Jul 9, 2023 17:54:07 GMT -5
I get what you’re saying. Everyone should hunt like they prefer as long as it’s legal, and those that have differences of opinion should keep it to themselves.
I some time ago guest hunted with a group of guys at a lease. Some hunted in tower stands over bait with nice scoped rifles, a few hunted in thickets with old lever action rifles with iron sights, one guy used a black powder caplock with iron sights, one guy slipped through the woods with an old M-1 carbine and set in a chair if he wanted to and one young chap set up with a .44 revolver for a 20 yd shot.
There was some polite kidding but tremendous respect for each other and a lot of appreciation for the different firearms. The guy with the M-1 was trying to recapture great memories. The gun was purchased by his mom a long time ago.
Bait no bait, trail cameras, dog hunting, ground blinds or towers, e-bikes, cell cameras, long range or short range firearms shouldn’t be an issue.
This should hold true for the pursuit of all game species.
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Post by joekat46 on Jul 10, 2023 1:55:37 GMT -5
Bridges burned. It was fun. No bigger bunch of elitists than that forum.
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Post by pinman on Jul 10, 2023 7:53:53 GMT -5
Its the nature of having these forums also. Easy to spout your opinion (I am good about that) and typing something on a keyboard is WAY different than talking face to face. If something gets under your skin its hard to not have the last post on the subject so it drags on.
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Post by JS84 on Jul 10, 2023 9:33:30 GMT -5
It's definitely unique to hunting. I've yet to have someone give me a hard time for catching a snook on a swimbait by bouncing it on the bottom vs a fast retrieve; etc.
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Post by joekat46 on Jul 10, 2023 12:15:12 GMT -5
Its the nature of having these forums also. Easy to spout your opinion (I am good about that) and typing something on a keyboard is WAY different than talking face to face. If something gets under your skin its hard to not have the last post on the subject so it drags on. This could drag on. I actually received a recent PM threat on a different forum. Claimed to know where I hunted. If you and I bump into each other again stay frosty in case I have to make a run for it. These forums are fun. Passes the time between turkey season. Lol |
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Post by meateater on Jul 10, 2023 13:52:17 GMT -5
It's definitely unique to hunting. I've yet to have someone give me a hard time for catching a snook on a swimbait by bouncing it on the bottom vs a fast retrieve; etc. i get a few look at this loser looks by guys throwing artificials when they see im dragging a bait bucket behind me on the flats , especially if they spot my stringer, dang 31 inch snook or big redfish dont like being dragged around so they tend to jump even on the stringer. |
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Post by louis357mag on Jul 10, 2023 17:30:08 GMT -5
Yes I am a believer in hunt and fish you way as long as its legal. Keyboards are like bullet proof vests for smart a#@ lips keeps the swelling down.
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Post by richm on Jul 11, 2023 7:17:27 GMT -5
louis357mag - We're all the smartass on the forums. Can't help but pissing people off over nothing special. joekat46 - I agree 1,000%. Tired of the same old same old whining & complaining about stuff. We have low fish numbers due to overfishing, poor spawns, water quality, whatever - so everyone who used to "slay em" now wants everyone else to not fish or to have to cockamaymee restrictive limits.  We still have the fish handling police doing their things.  I'd just as soon not do much C&R type fishing. Western hunters are on a big anti-NR push. They are having trouble with the concept that NR pays for the bulk of their F&G budget - along with the P&R taxes. No mentioning towns, mountains, or unit #s on certain forums or you'll get bitched at.  Same forum, they are trying to get the guys riled up about MLs and how it should be round balls and short range guns cause the F&G depts will reduce opportunities as folks with inlines shoot more stuff. How it catches on I'll never know. From what I heard, it used to be facebook where folks attacked others, now it is spreading back into the forums. Losing interest but then what? I've made a few real good friends online over the years. These days it seems that either you have to agree with everyone or yer the bad guy.
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Post by JS84 on Jul 11, 2023 8:17:04 GMT -5
There is a middle ground but it's always shifting and increasingly harder to hold. I think it's more about like minded folks. Plenty of people I don't agree with fully that I get along really well with. Surrounding yourself with only people that agree with you is a path for failure in my opinion. We need to focus on the things that bring us together (Hunting and Fishing), and not the things that separate us (Methods therein).
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Post by One Man Gang on Jul 11, 2023 8:30:21 GMT -5
Too many people turning a simple hunting season into a bragging competition... when they aren't capitalizing and falling behind their "competition" they get bitchy and want to restrict.
I honestly don't get it. Sure I like to shoot one more duck than my partner and enjoy some light hearted banter afterwards, but damn, who really gives a shit if someone did better or worse. That outcome can change on any particular day.
This is what you end up with when you couple that "stress" to be a "hero", with the newer line of progressive thinking that less of a return with tons of more effort and misery is the only acceptable way to hunt. I mean, really, we now have 50 plus year old crybabies who seem to have taken a cue from the 20 somethings "me me me" generation.
I've preached this my whole life; be careful what you ask for because you just might end up UNLUCKY enough to get it. The more red tape and restrictive measures you whine for will eventually work their way into restricting your ass out of your own way of hunting and fishing.
It's a slippery slope of using more rules to police dumb or unenforceable rules. It never ends until everyone is cleared out of the woodlot, and paying big money to kill on a game farm. This is even more true today now that science is so easily ignored over politics.
Try being happy for once for the guy sitting 100 yds from you who just arrowed "your" buck. It will make the hunting experience a whole lot more rewarding than worrying so much about your own defeat.
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Post by richm on Jul 11, 2023 9:59:07 GMT -5
There is a middle ground but it's always shifting and increasingly harder to hold. I think it's more about like minded folks. Plenty of people I don't agree with fully that I get along really well with. Surrounding yourself with only people that agree with you is a path for failure in my opinion. We need to focus on the things that bring us together (Hunting and Fishing), and not the things that separate us (Methods therein). Seems like it used to be a lot easier to get along with folks before they became so easily offended. Methods shouldn't separate hunters - well except for baiting, dogs, and archery. Unless all 3 are used together. |
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Post by JS84 on Jul 11, 2023 10:00:03 GMT -5
Entitlement sums it up
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Post by meateater on Jul 11, 2023 10:06:14 GMT -5
yea so what im a HUGE complainer,whiner,crybabie and aint gonna stop. public land hunting in florida is constantly under attack by the agencies that are supposed to be on our side. every year more restrictions, loss of opportunities, empty wmas on weekdays during quota only hunts. this is what we should all be complaining about not whether or not dog hunting or ebikes should be banned cause the way its going it wont matter anyway.
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Post by joekat46 on Jul 11, 2023 12:20:13 GMT -5
I'll certainly agree that after being lucky enough to turkey hunt in multiple states there is no place harder than Florida public land. What I was seeing on that forum was multiple posters spouting that anyone not hunting their way was almost a poacher. Use of a decoy was almost a sin, didn't like this, didn't like that, ban this,restrict that, certainly didn't like me referring to them as nitwits. Oh well they'll get over it.
Don't worry meat they hope to ban just about everything. If you want to see where this can lead look at MS turkey regs They've taken knee jerk regulations to a new level. A close look seems many are aimed at NRs. AL appears to be ready to follow.
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Post by richm on Jul 11, 2023 18:20:49 GMT -5
I'll certainly agree that after being lucky enough to turkey hunt in multiple states there is no place harder than Florida public land. What I was seeing on that forum was multiple posters spouting that anyone not hunting their way was almost a poacher. Use of a decoy was almost a sin, didn't like this, didn't like that, ban this,restrict that, certainly didn't like me referring to them as nitwits. Oh well they'll get over it. Don't worry meat they hope to ban just about everything. If you want to see where this can lead look at MS turkey regs They've taken knee jerk regulations to a new level. A close look seems most are aimed at NRs. AL appears to be ready to follow. The NR hate is real. I’m wrapping up my western hunting cause of this. It isnt worth the aggrevation to go drop $500 or more on a tag if you gotta look over your shoulder when you visit. |
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Post by joekat46 on Jul 11, 2023 20:08:22 GMT -5
Sure you're talking big game. I didn't see it in eastern WY but it was a midweek turkey hunt well into the season. When I fly and rent a car I ask for a car with a tag from the state I'm in. The local boys usually then think you're one of the gang. Being an old geezer helps also. They're sure I'm harmless. Nitwits. Lol
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Post by pinman on Jul 11, 2023 21:10:25 GMT -5
Theres a lot of animosity towards those "not from round here". There was a time decades ago that if you had tags from a different Florida county than where you were hunting you had a good chance of having your tires slashed....
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Post by joekat46 on Jul 12, 2023 5:39:18 GMT -5
What's funny about that now in Florida you're lucky to see a tag that is even from Florida in some places. I still remember my first camping/hunting trips to Big Cypress. One visit my Florida tag was the only one in the Bear Island camp. GA was very well represented. I've mentioned this before.
With all the tourist money around I don't think Florida will ever discourage the NRs. A Florida NR license and tag are by far the best deal going to turkey hunt. Being able to use the 10 day license is the real steal. If I go to OH or KY for a weeks' hunt it is the full pop one year general license. Just the way it is. It won't get better.
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Post by richm on Jul 12, 2023 6:36:19 GMT -5
Not gonna get better as we have more and more folks with less places to hunt. There is a big trend for travel hunting cause the bigger deer, better hunts, etc. are always somewhere else.
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Post by JS84 on Jul 12, 2023 8:00:23 GMT -5
I struck up a conversation with a couple guys from TN this past turkey season in Green Swamp. Long story short, they said they would never be back  |
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Post by swampdog on Jul 12, 2023 8:43:11 GMT -5
I gave a couple of out-of-state guys info on where and how I would hunt on two WMAs this last turkey season. It was late in the season and they had expressed no desire to hire a guide and hunt private lands. They wanted the real Florida experience for their Osceola.
They went home empty handed and vowed to try again next year. I tried to encourage them to be down here in the early season, but they’re like me, hardheaded, stubborn and independent.
Oh well…
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Post by meateater on Jul 12, 2023 10:29:37 GMT -5
Theres a lot of animosity towards those "not from round here". There was a time decades ago that if you had tags from a different Florida county than where you were hunting you had a good chance of having your tires slashed.... thats a fact jw corbett was the worst dade county tag almost certain your car or truck was getting trashed , broward county you had 50/50 chance. park your car along the grade with a broward or dade tag you might have a buggy rub mark down the side. there is a reason for this kind of thinking but i will keep my opinion to myself. |
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Post by One Man Gang on Jul 12, 2023 12:36:42 GMT -5
Theres a lot of animosity towards those "not from round here". There was a time decades ago that if you had tags from a different Florida county than where you were hunting you had a good chance of having your tires slashed.... thats a fact jw corbett was the worst dade county tag almost certain your car or truck was getting trashed , broward county you had 50/50 chance. park your car along the grade with a broward or dade tag you might have a buggy rub mark down the side. there is a reason for this kind of thinking but i will keep my opinion to myself. You ain't kidding! One of the first times we came to Corbett from Broward to hunt in the early 80s we came back on the buggy to a destroyed camp, slashed tires on the trucks, and a note that said something like stay out of our neighborhood. I'm the only one from our group that day who ever went back to Corbett to hunt. Nothing but cream puffs out there now compared to those tough old palm beach cowboys. |
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Post by richm on Jul 12, 2023 15:29:11 GMT -5
I gave a couple of out-of-state guys info on where and how I would hunt on two WMAs this last turkey season. It was late in the season and they had expressed no desire to hire a guide and hunt private lands. They wanted the real Florida experience for their Osceola. They went home empty handed and vowed to try again next year. I tried to encourage them to be down here in the early season, but they’re like me, hardheaded, stubborn and independent. Oh well… I've done the same. Told him where and how. No idea if it ever materialized but it's the thought that counts. Pretty sure that how you treat others comes back on you. |
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Post by joekat46 on Jul 13, 2023 6:39:51 GMT -5
Over several years on these forums I've made several contacts. Some I've personally met. Many I still communicate with. Doesn't hurt a bit to share information. Well past the everything is a big secret phase of my illustrious hunting career. I'll pimp a deer spot in a minute. 🦃 Not so much.
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Post by anumber1 on Jul 15, 2023 5:45:17 GMT -5
Bridges burned. It was fun. No bigger bunch of elitists than that forum. try a field trial/upland dog forum.. lol |
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 29, 2023 14:02:06 GMT -5
I've played on these outdoor forums for decades. Lot of time and post on NWTF and plenty of state forums including the defunct FS, Never in all this time have seen as much whining and complaining over how others legally hunt. I'm primarily interested in turkey and am currently in a heated "discussion" on a forum over decoys, Jakes, social media, TSS, blinds, and other supposed no no's. It has gotten to the point that their most vocal participants critize anything that doesn't fit their vision of the perfect hunter. I'm happy to have a place to hunt where the laws and limits are followed and everyone enjoys themselves. Anyone else noticing this trend toward elitism? I'm sure I'll burn a few bridges soon over on Old Gobbler but no longer care . A gaggle of nitwits. This may have been better served in Off Topic Couldn't decide. I think its always been around for as long as there has been message boards or social media. Self-righteous hunters are a pet peeve of mine. Its a way by which people stroke their own egos. I ignore it. I strongly believe there is no morality or rules in hunting beyond 1) be safe towards others and yourself, 2) follow the law, respect the rights of others, 3) strive for clean kills, and 4) manage the resource sustainably. Everything beyond those principles is man-made fluff and is sometimes garbage. I don’t care about what seems “fair” to the animal or makes hunting more or a challenge. Everything we do as hunters is geared towards maximizing success, with the exception of choosing to handicap ourselves with some weapons. Its really quite arbitrary as to what advantages we decide are acceptable vs those we deem to be unsporting for violating fair chase. I only hunt for meat or pest control now. I have little interest in the challenge of it. The only thing that separates a turkey killed with a bow from one killed with a shotgun is personal preference at best and ego at worst. |
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Post by james14 on Sept 20, 2023 17:02:43 GMT -5
Personally, I love being able to shoot a turkey at 70 yards with TSS.
Don't worry though. They got a hold of FWC who is now trying to ban fanning.
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I'd just as soon not do much C&R type fishing.
Same forum, they are trying to get the guys riled up about MLs and how it should be round balls and short range guns cause the F&G depts will reduce opportunities as folks with inlines shoot more stuff. How it catches on I'll never know. 
