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Post by johngalt on Jun 20, 2024 9:29:02 GMT -5
If they thought a peace deal in Ukraine would help their election chances, they would be working on one. The ceasefire is because Biden is losing and they think this will help him. Since we are NATO, yes, we screwed Ukraine. We treated her like a $2 whore... merely a pawn in our irrational hate for Russia. If we’ve screwed over the Ukrainians, it would be by not providing them the munitions to win, but instead only providing enough to slow-bleed Russia and keep the war at a status-quo. Included in that analysis are the silly rules we put on the Ukrainians about how they could and couldn’t use the provided weapons. That’s what myself and others said when this all started(and before) let the Ukrainians fight by what ever means necessary. We/NATO imposed ridiculous restrictions, thank Tony Blinkin, Victoria Newland, Jake Sullivan and the rest of the losers in both the Failure Factory, DOD and Bidens advisors. Those losers have done so much damage to our standing in the last 25 years it is incalculable.
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Post by conchydong on Jun 20, 2024 15:58:41 GMT -5
We need to allow Ukraine to attack Russian bases within Russia or else it will be futile.
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Post by luapnor on Jun 20, 2024 17:17:25 GMT -5
Maybe we didn't have them
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Post by bullfrog on Jun 20, 2024 20:25:52 GMT -5
If we’ve screwed over the Ukrainians, it would be by not providing them the munitions to win, but instead only providing enough to slow-bleed Russia and keep the war at a status-quo. Included in that analysis are the silly rules we put on the Ukrainians about how they could and couldn’t use the provided weapons. That’s what myself and others said when this all started(and before) let the Ukrainians fight by what ever means necessary. We/NATO imposed ridiculous restrictions, thank Tony Blinkin, Victoria Newland, Jake Sullivan and the rest of the losers in both the Failure Factory, DOD and Bidens advisors. Those losers have done so much damage to our standing in the last 25 years it is incalculable. We need to allow Ukraine to attack Russian bases within Russia or else it will be futile. Think about thIs situation in the context of the Korean and Vietnam wars. We have this odd habit of allowing our Eastern enemies to have safe enclaves when they can keep pounding and chipping away at the pro-West governments we’re trying to defend. We don’t try to crush the pro-East governments. We only fight defensive wars and allow the enemy to remain on offense until they win or have a stalemate. We have a fetishized fear of escalation with Sino-Russia and they’ve been playing it to their advantage for 80 years.
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Post by luapnor on Jun 20, 2024 21:21:27 GMT -5
Lololol you think we can bully the world without blowback? That is idiotic thinking. You think WW3 is survivable? We have been doing exactly what you accuse the others of doing. Destroying countries all over the planet.
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Post by bullfrog on Jun 20, 2024 22:31:34 GMT -5
Lololol you think we can bully the world without blowback? That is idiotic thinking. You think WW3 is survivable? We have been doing exactly what you accuse the others of doing. Destroying countries all over the planet. Then leave and go enjoy those countries you think we victimize. What’s that? Not going anywhere? Like your freedom too much? I thought so.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Jun 21, 2024 6:34:33 GMT -5
We live in the greatest country on earth. It’s not perfect but it’s the best !
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Post by luapnor on Jun 21, 2024 17:11:22 GMT -5
Lololol you think we can bully the world without blowback? That is idiotic thinking. You think WW3 is survivable? We have been doing exactly what you accuse the others of doing. Destroying countries all over the planet. Then leave and go enjoy those countries you think we victimize. What’s that? Not going anywhere? Like your freedom too much? I thought so. When you go idiotic, you go big. You sound just like the morons that supported Bush and the Iraq war. It's ok to criticize our government that violates the Constitution and breaks treaties and topples sovereign countries and threatens others that don't do anything worse than we do... And the idiots that defend that unpatriotic behavior of our government. If you defend our government's behavior you are no better than them. I have no problem attacking corrupt behavior...in our country's adversaries, foreign or domestic.
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Post by Captj on Jun 22, 2024 5:56:55 GMT -5
Then leave and go enjoy those countries you think we victimize. What’s that? Not going anywhere? Like your freedom too much? I thought so. When you go idiotic, you go big. You sound just like the morons that supported Bush and the Iraq war. It's ok to criticize our government that violates the Constitution and breaks treaties and topples sovereign countries and threatens others that don't do anything worse than we do... And the idiots that defend that unpatriotic behavior of our government. If you defend our government's behavior you are no better than them. I have no problem attacking corrupt behavior...in our country's adversaries, foreign or domestic. So you think Putin and/or Kim are doing the right thing? Never see any criticism of them by you. Guess it's not good to criticise your boss.
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Post by luapnor on Jun 22, 2024 17:10:54 GMT -5
When you go idiotic, you go big. You sound just like the morons that supported Bush and the Iraq war. It's ok to criticize our government that violates the Constitution and breaks treaties and topples sovereign countries and threatens others that don't do anything worse than we do... And the idiots that defend that unpatriotic behavior of our government. If you defend our government's behavior you are no better than them. I have no problem attacking corrupt behavior...in our country's adversaries, foreign or domestic. So you think Putin and/or Kim are doing the right thing? Never see any criticism of them by you. Guess it's not good to criticise your boss. Till you can actually see thru the propaganda it will be impossible to educate you. We should have made Russia an ally instead of isolating them as an enemy. Don't you ever think for yourself? Why do we need Russia as an enemy? Why did we need Iraq as an enemy? Why did we need the Taliban as an enemy? We can't survive every act made by our politicians... It has been 50 years of mistakes and a reckoning is coming. But continue with your idiotic cheerleading of our failing hegemony.
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Post by conchydong on Jun 22, 2024 17:33:34 GMT -5
Then leave and go enjoy those countries you think we victimize. What’s that? Not going anywhere? Like your freedom too much? I thought so. When you go idiotic, you go big. You sound just like the morons that supported Bush and the Iraq war. It's ok to criticize our government that violates the Constitution and breaks treaties and topples sovereign countries and threatens others that don't do anything worse than we do... And the idiots that defend that unpatriotic behavior of our government. If you defend our government's behavior you are no better than them. I have no problem attacking corrupt behavior...in our country's adversaries, foreign or domestic. I have no problem with you being against the invasian of Iraq but Putin is doing the same thing with Ukraine. If you are against one then you should be against the other. Just sayin'.
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Post by cadman on Jun 22, 2024 17:59:45 GMT -5
When you go idiotic, you go big. You sound just like the morons that supported Bush and the Iraq war. It's ok to criticize our government that violates the Constitution and breaks treaties and topples sovereign countries and threatens others that don't do anything worse than we do... And the idiots that defend that unpatriotic behavior of our government. If you defend our government's behavior you are no better than them. I have no problem attacking corrupt behavior...in our country's adversaries, foreign or domestic. I have no problem with you being against the invasian of Iraq but Putin is doing the same thing with Ukraine. If you are against one then you should be against the other. Just sayin'. But Putin is doing one. Luapnor defends Putin's actions all the time.
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Post by luapnor on Jun 22, 2024 18:37:59 GMT -5
When you go idiotic, you go big. You sound just like the morons that supported Bush and the Iraq war. It's ok to criticize our government that violates the Constitution and breaks treaties and topples sovereign countries and threatens others that don't do anything worse than we do... And the idiots that defend that unpatriotic behavior of our government. If you defend our government's behavior you are no better than them. I have no problem attacking corrupt behavior...in our country's adversaries, foreign or domestic. I have no problem with you being against the invasian of Iraq but Putin is doing the same thing with Ukraine. If you are against one then you should be against the other. Just sayin'. It's not even similar. NATO was threatening his country through their proxy Ukraine. It's no different than China putting nukes on our border with Mexico. Or the soviet's putting nukes in Cuba. Iraq was not a threat to us in anyway shape or form. They were our ally.
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Post by cadman on Jun 22, 2024 19:18:48 GMT -5
It's not even similar. NATO was threatening his country through their proxy Ukraine. It's no different than China putting nukes on our border with Mexico. Or the soviet's putting nukes in Cuba. Iraq was not a threat to us in anyway shape or form. They were our ally. Putin lover all the way.
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Post by ferris1248 on Jun 23, 2024 9:40:07 GMT -5
Russia is justified.
The western world is not.
He/it have been preaching it for years.
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