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Post by luapnor on Jun 12, 2024 19:00:13 GMT -5
You think the true cost of the TVA was measured? lol.
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Post by richm on Jun 12, 2024 19:13:01 GMT -5
I knew some folks, mother lived in Canada. She died on a gurney in a hallway cause there were no beds for her.
How much does it cost to keep a staff of $100k+ employees along with multimillion dollar equipment?
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Post by OhMy on Jun 12, 2024 20:39:42 GMT -5
In 1991, my daughters birth cost $1800. I did not have maternity insurance and had to pay cash. It was $900 for the doctor and $900 for the hospital. The Dr's fee included all prebirth visits to his office. The more government sticks its nose into the medical industry, the higher and higher the costs go. ObamaCare destroyed the industry... and it is getting worse and worse because of it. Medicare is a really stupid example to hold out. It is the same as SSI, a huge pyramid scheme that cant stand on the premiums of the participants, so expanding it will only make it worse. Medicare hasnt lowered the cost, it has merely shifted the cost to those that pay their way thru the system. I just cant believe the people still think the government can do something cheaper than the free market. I guess that is why they have dumbed down education, so they can lie and everyone believes it. Do you understand that people without insurance get free healthcare when they go to the ER? You are so against something that is already happening. Wake up.
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Jun 12, 2024 20:49:09 GMT -5
You think the true cost of the TVA was measured? lol. No there's no way to measure how many people it saved from poverty. Nor how many good paying jobs it has and does provide for the last 100 years nearly. As I said despite its best efforts not to it still produces a profit and a lot of people make good livings both providing maintenance and construction to its facilities in its footprint. That alone pumps BILLIONS of dollars into rhe economy of the areas in its footprint. I wish they'd extend that footprint into the blackbelt areas of Alabama and even Mississippi. Whatever the cost for the original charter of the TVA it has paid back many times over to the people of this country especially in the Southeast region. As I told someone working there once whonwas bitching about taxes and the Government (oh the sweet irnoy) "if it wasn't for the TVA his dumbass would be brushing his tooth with a tree branch"
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Jun 12, 2024 20:51:45 GMT -5
I knew dome foljs, mother lived in Canada. She died on a gurney in a hallway cause there were no beds for her. How much does it cost to keep a staff of $100k+ employees along with multimillion dolkar equipment? Same thing happens in this country everyday. Except here to add insult to injury the family gets a bill for 100k and their credit ruined.
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Post by tonyroma on Jun 12, 2024 21:15:14 GMT -5
# 1 cause of bankruptcy in America is medical debt.
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Post by luapnor on Jun 12, 2024 21:21:11 GMT -5
In 1991, my daughters birth cost $1800. I did not have maternity insurance and had to pay cash. It was $900 for the doctor and $900 for the hospital. The Dr's fee included all prebirth visits to his office. The more government sticks its nose into the medical industry, the higher and higher the costs go. ObamaCare destroyed the industry... and it is getting worse and worse because of it. Medicare is a really stupid example to hold out. It is the same as SSI, a huge pyramid scheme that cant stand on the premiums of the participants, so expanding it will only make it worse. Medicare hasnt lowered the cost, it has merely shifted the cost to those that pay their way thru the system. I just cant believe the people still think the government can do something cheaper than the free market. I guess that is why they have dumbed down education, so they can lie and everyone believes it. Do you understand that people without insurance get free healthcare when they go to the ER? You are so against something that is already happening. Wake up. That makes no sense.
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Post by luapnor on Jun 12, 2024 21:22:34 GMT -5
# 1 cause of bankruptcy in America is medical debt. That was the same argument used to justify Obamacare. Time to try the opposite of more government.
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Post by richm on Jun 13, 2024 5:38:04 GMT -5
# 1 cause of bankruptcy in America is medical debt. I believe that. Think that's one of the reasons we have that - no-one can take your house law down here.
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Post by cadman on Jun 13, 2024 6:37:47 GMT -5
In 1991, my daughters birth cost $1800. I did not have maternity insurance and had to pay cash. It was $900 for the doctor and $900 for the hospital. The Dr's fee included all prebirth visits to his office. The more government sticks its nose into the medical industry, the higher and higher the costs go. ObamaCare destroyed the industry... and it is getting worse and worse because of it. Medicare is a really stupid example to hold out. It is the same as SSI, a huge pyramid scheme that cant stand on the premiums of the participants, so expanding it will only make it worse. Medicare hasnt lowered the cost, it has merely shifted the cost to those that pay their way thru the system. I just cant believe the people still think the government can do something cheaper than the free market. I guess that is why they have dumbed down education, so they can lie and everyone believes it. How did Obamacare destroy healthcare? My plans were all bought on the ACA website. It was as good or better insurance than I had before ACA. Cost did not increase any more per year than it did before, around 15% a year due to getting older and inflation. How did Obamacare ruin the healthcare industry? The only thing it did was subsidize premiums for lower income people to make it more affordable for them. I never lose my doctor, but I didn't buy the cheapest plan either. Only reason anyone lost their doctor was choosing a cheap plan their doctor did not accept. I had that happen once when a employer went to a cheap HMO to save money.
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Post by luapnor on Jun 13, 2024 7:03:10 GMT -5
In 1991, my daughters birth cost $1800. I did not have maternity insurance and had to pay cash. It was $900 for the doctor and $900 for the hospital. The Dr's fee included all prebirth visits to his office. The more government sticks its nose into the medical industry, the higher and higher the costs go. ObamaCare destroyed the industry... and it is getting worse and worse because of it. Medicare is a really stupid example to hold out. It is the same as SSI, a huge pyramid scheme that cant stand on the premiums of the participants, so expanding it will only make it worse. Medicare hasnt lowered the cost, it has merely shifted the cost to those that pay their way thru the system. I just cant believe the people still think the government can do something cheaper than the free market. I guess that is why they have dumbed down education, so they can lie and everyone believes it. How did Obamacare destroy healthcare? My plans were all bought on the ACA website. It was as good or better insurance than I had before ACA. Cost did not increase any more per year than it did before, around 15% a year due to getting older and inflation. How did Obamacare ruin the healthcare industry? The only thing it did was subsidize premiums for lower income people to make it more affordable for them. I never lose my doctor, but I didn't buy the cheapest plan either. Only reason anyone lost their doctor was choosing a cheap plan their doctor did not accept. I had that happen once when a employer went to a cheap HMO to save money. How? Do you every process more information that what is in the "Literature"? Obama fooled a generation of young people that they were going to be getting healthcare at a lower cost by the promise of subsidized premiums, and that part is true, government is subsidizing a windfall to insurance companies.... at the same time, burdening people with a mandatory requirement to buy healthcare or get punished (which makes me wonder why the SpiceGurl has no health insurance)... but the kicker is that the deductables are so high that it effectively gives them no healthcare without huge bills... which was the whole point to begin with.
When my grandfathered plan with BCBS ran out(due to the ObamaCare) and I had to go on the new and improved Obamacare "certified" plan, my insurance costs per month tripled to over $1200 but thank god I had maternity coverage on my plan.
Under ObamaCare, doctors have had to sell out their practices to mega practices or just plain retire because the compliance burden became unmanagable as a one or two doctor business.
The more government gets involved in health care, the more expensive it gets, the lower quality of service, the longer wait times, the less friendly. The idealized notion that "just one more regulation" and everything will be better is BS. ObamaCare was designed to ruin private healthcare so that people would be begging for a government takeover... by reading these posts, the same that voted for ObamaCare, are ready to go all in with GovCo running the show. But it will only get worse.
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Post by richm on Jun 13, 2024 7:09:11 GMT -5
In 1991, my daughters birth cost $1800. I did not have maternity insurance and had to pay cash. It was $900 for the doctor and $900 for the hospital. The Dr's fee included all prebirth visits to his office. The more government sticks its nose into the medical industry, the higher and higher the costs go. ObamaCare destroyed the industry... and it is getting worse and worse because of it. Medicare is a really stupid example to hold out. It is the same as SSI, a huge pyramid scheme that cant stand on the premiums of the participants, so expanding it will only make it worse. Medicare hasnt lowered the cost, it has merely shifted the cost to those that pay their way thru the system. I just cant believe the people still think the government can do something cheaper than the free market. I guess that is why they have dumbed down education, so they can lie and everyone believes it. How did Obamacare destroy healthcare? My plans were all bought on the ACA website. It was as good or better insurance than I had before ACA. Cost did not increase any more per year than it did before, around 15% a year due to getting older and inflation. How did Obamacare ruin the healthcare industry? The only thing it did was subsidize premiums for lower income people to make it more affordable for them. I never lose my doctor, but I didn't buy the cheapest plan either. Only reason anyone lost their doctor was choosing a cheap plan their doctor did not accept. I had that happen once when a employer went to a cheap HMO to save money. You know that most of my opinions are based on how stuff affects me. I didn't like Trumps tax thing cause i always got tax returns until he changed the tax laws and even at max withholdings I had to pay. So that tax plan was flawed imo. The whole Obamacare thing was where Pelosi said, lets vote for this thing so we can read it. That was the first "oh, shit" of it. Then we find out that folks who make more pay more and folks who make less pay less. Problem was that po folk already had Medicare paying for them. So what really happened? We don't know, far as I know, no-one read the damn thing. My insurance costs and deductibles went up, and "nothing changed" except now the govt has healthcare portals and people are saying that they pay $5/month for health care while my health care is about $600/month. My deductible went from $500 to $3,500. It was higher but we changed insurance plans at work. If I add my wife, my cost and deductible goes up. Deductible goes to $7,000 and cost is another $600/month. Pretty much why she's working - costs $10K to have her on my insurance. I did lose my doctor - one of the few I would go to. Company changed providers and he wasn't on the new approved list. You might say that's not Obamacare's fault, but the change was due to Obamacare. So cause & effect. If you don't submit proof of insurance to fed govt at tax time, you get fined. So I see folks getting stuff for nothing that I have to pay for. And my costs going up. And the govt mandating stuff.
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Post by luapnor on Jun 13, 2024 7:10:27 GMT -5
You think the true cost of the TVA was measured? lol. No there's no way to measure how many people it saved from poverty. Nor how many good paying jobs it has and does provide for the last 100 years nearly. As I said despite its best efforts not to it still produces a profit and a lot of people make good livings both providing maintenance and construction to its facilities in its footprint. That alone pumps BILLIONS of dollars into rhe economy of the areas in its footprint. I wish they'd extend that footprint into the blackbelt areas of Alabama and even Mississippi. Whatever the cost for the original charter of the TVA it has paid back many times over to the people of this country especially in the Southeast region. As I told someone working there once whonwas bitching about taxes and the Government (oh the sweet irnoy) "if it wasn't for the TVA his dumbass would be brushing his tooth with a tree branch" TVA was created in a time when it was easy to steamroll people out of their homes and property, build dams without much regulation. Has it improved the lives of many, probably. Have you ever sued the government? Try recovering damages from the government. TVA had the largest in US history coal ash spill. They operate tax free, their mistakes are paid for by taxpayers. I am positive the costs of all that goodness will never be measured and is way way higher than private industry could do... with accountability.
One might say that the interstate system was another project that was highly beneficial... but cheaper than private industry? It destroyed a rail system. It destroyed towns and localized manufacturing and jobs... It created our dependence on the Auto... You have to add it all up, but looking at the sprawl it spawned, I am not sure it was a success.
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Post by johngalt on Jun 13, 2024 7:38:06 GMT -5
I don’t know how old you are but, ask your parents how much your birth in the hospital costs them back in the 1950’s or even the 60’s if you are that old. Ever since the federal government got involved in healthcare and started all the rules and regulations the costs has skyrocketed. Ask them what their weekly salary was too. Check with them about infant mortality also. Better yet, ask them how they lived with only dad working, mom at home taking care of the kids and the home, able to make the mortgage, own a car and have a good life on one income?
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Post by johngalt on Jun 13, 2024 7:48:40 GMT -5
As far as health care insurance goes, why can’t the private sector have the same type of insurance as the federal government employees have? Why is it that a GS worker can transfer from state to state and change jobs but their insurance stays the same?
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