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Post by bullfrog on May 21, 2024 15:28:41 GMT -5
One of my previous male bulldogs liked to eat carpet and belts. He’d tear the carpet into strips a foot long and swallow them. He’d pass them fine. Once he had a belt hanging out his butt that was so deep I had to let him pass it naturally. Whenever I’d pull on it he’d yelp.
He also ate my dress socks. One spring I found a dozen socks in the yard he had passed over the winter.
The impression I had is that he was instinctually using large obstructions to squeegee out his gut tubes.
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Post by Mango Man on May 21, 2024 15:49:18 GMT -5
Our last Beagle, Bella, among many, many other things, ate 3 big cockroach traps, no problems what so ever.
Our newest Beagle, (Lemon Beagle) Abbie like Bella, will eat anything, bird shit off the ground, a mole or rat that's been outside and dead for the last 2 weeks, our other dog's throw up. dead cock roaches, get go's...
I'll never get another Beagle....
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Post by swampdog on May 21, 2024 15:50:37 GMT -5
Our terrier also snacks on watermelon, chicken and cooked eggs and loves plain toast. Her main dish is “Freshpet” for morning and night. She’s about 18 months old and still pretty trim.
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Post by Stumpy on May 21, 2024 16:18:05 GMT -5
When I hunted a pointer, every bird retrieved was rewarded by pulling off the head and giving it to the dog....crunch, crunch, crunch
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Post by johnnybandit on May 22, 2024 19:12:41 GMT -5
My dogs ear an all raw meat diet....Bones and all.....
My wife throws them veggies from time to time.... My ACD looks at her like WTF is this? you trying to poison me?
Sometimes the Labrador will get so excited she will grab a piece of carrot or broccoli... but as soon as she realizes it
is not meat, she spits it out and runs around the house and rolls around the floor like she was poisoned....
When I first started feeding raw, I tried feeding vegetables.... Then I learned that Canines cannot break down the cellular walls of plant
material in their digestive tract.... Plant material has to be highly pulverized or cooked down to the point of rendering for it to be of
any real nutritional value... So for a couple of years I spent hours.... And probably a couple of grand in food processors.... Grinding and
Pulverizing vegetables to add to my dogs diets......
Over time.... I witnessed things, learned things, etc.... And stopped feeding any vegetable matter to my dogs.....
And my dogs got better because of it.... They built more muscle, their coats got better, better energy...Better Everything...
If it does not come off an animal... I do not feed it to my dogs.... The only vegetable/fruit I have found my dogs will eat without doctoring it up is avocado.....
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Post by tonyroma on May 22, 2024 19:48:09 GMT -5
My dogs ear an all raw meat diet....Bones and all..... My wife throws them veggies from time to time.... My ACD looks at her like WTF is this? you trying to poison me? Sometimes the Labrador will get so excited she will grab a piece of carrot or broccoli... but as soon as she realizes it is not meat, she spits it out and runs around the house and rolls around the floor like she was poisoned.... When I first started feeding raw, I tried feeding vegetables.... Then I learned that Canines cannot break down the cellular walls of plant material in their digestive tract.... Plant material has to be highly pulverized or cooked down to the point of rendering for it to be of any real nutritional value... So for a couple of years I spent hours.... And probably a couple of grand in food processors.... Grinding and Pulverizing vegetables to add to my dogs diets...... Over time.... I witnessed things, learned things, etc.... And stopped feeding any vegetable matter to my dogs..... And my dogs got better because of it.... They built more muscle, their coats got better, better energy...Better Everything... If it does not come off an animal... I do not feed it to my dogs.... The only vegetable/fruit I have found my dogs will eat without doctoring it up is avocado..... Not trying to argue here, you are the dog guy around here. But, aren’t canines classified as omnivores. Wolves, yotes, fox , jackals all will eat fruits and vegetables. |
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Post by cyclist on May 22, 2024 20:27:57 GMT -5
My dogs ear an all raw meat diet....Bones and all..... My wife throws them veggies from time to time.... My ACD looks at her like WTF is this? you trying to poison me? Sometimes the Labrador will get so excited she will grab a piece of carrot or broccoli... but as soon as she realizes it is not meat, she spits it out and runs around the house and rolls around the floor like she was poisoned.... When I first started feeding raw, I tried feeding vegetables.... Then I learned that Canines cannot break down the cellular walls of plant material in their digestive tract.... Plant material has to be highly pulverized or cooked down to the point of rendering for it to be of any real nutritional value... So for a couple of years I spent hours.... And probably a couple of grand in food processors.... Grinding and Pulverizing vegetables to add to my dogs diets...... Over time.... I witnessed things, learned things, etc.... And stopped feeding any vegetable matter to my dogs..... And my dogs got better because of it.... They built more muscle, their coats got better, better energy...Better Everything... If it does not come off an animal... I do not feed it to my dogs.... The only vegetable/fruit I have found my dogs will eat without doctoring it up is avocado..... Here's an interesting article. Covers many bases. Bottom line not all dogs are the same...fruits and veggies are fine for most dogs, digs can derive the nutrients and a diet with fruit and veggies has been shown to reduce cancers and promote better health in canines as opposed to an all meat diet. primalpooch.com/the-great-debate-do-dogs-need-fruits-and-vegetables |
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Post by johnnybandit on May 22, 2024 22:59:48 GMT -5
My dogs ear an all raw meat diet....Bones and all..... My wife throws them veggies from time to time.... My ACD looks at her like WTF is this? you trying to poison me? Sometimes the Labrador will get so excited she will grab a piece of carrot or broccoli... but as soon as she realizes it is not meat, she spits it out and runs around the house and rolls around the floor like she was poisoned.... When I first started feeding raw, I tried feeding vegetables.... Then I learned that Canines cannot break down the cellular walls of plant material in their digestive tract.... Plant material has to be highly pulverized or cooked down to the point of rendering for it to be of any real nutritional value... So for a couple of years I spent hours.... And probably a couple of grand in food processors.... Grinding and Pulverizing vegetables to add to my dogs diets...... Over time.... I witnessed things, learned things, etc.... And stopped feeding any vegetable matter to my dogs..... And my dogs got better because of it.... They built more muscle, their coats got better, better energy...Better Everything... If it does not come off an animal... I do not feed it to my dogs.... The only vegetable/fruit I have found my dogs will eat without doctoring it up is avocado..... Not trying to argue here, you are the dog guy around here. But, aren’t canines classified as omnivores. Wolves, yotes, fox , jackals all will eat fruits and vegetables. The major dog food companies.... Most of which started as livestock grain companies..... Have spent BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars attempting to convince dog owners of the world that dogs are omnivores..... IF you do a Google search on.... ARE Dogs OMNIVORES.... the first entries that will pop up.... Are Major pet food companies... Namely Hills Science Diet and Purina.... Which have huge vested interests attempting to convince you that your dog is an omnivore.... And they are not doing it for the health of your dog...... They are doing it for their profits.....
But they are not....
Start with their teeth.... The front teeth are made for grabbing and killing prey.... The molars are made ripping and tearing.... They cannot chew... Ever seen a dog chew? they may "munch" on something that is extra tasty.... But they cannot chew... Their jaws do not work that way.... straight up and down....They cannot rotate their lower jaw right to left or left to right... Something that is required to actually digest and get nutrients from inside the cellular walls of plant material..... If a dog's lower jaw rotates
side to side... any significant amount, your dog has some serious structural issues... But it would not matter... dog molars are made for ripping and tearing... A dogs teeth cannot chew..... Look at human molars... Bear molars.... Humans and bears are omnivores.... Our lower jaws rotate... Our molars are made for chewing..... And both humans and bears generally suck at digesting vegetable matter... All of us on this forum have shit out corn kernels, collard green pieces...Peanuts... I can chew and almond for a half hour and I cannot digest one.... I LOVE mushrooms but they end up in the toilet....
Dogs are quite capable of gulping food... they were made to do that.....It is how they are supposed to eat.... But dogs die of bloat and torsion....from gulping commercial food... Especially large deep chested dogs.... Because dogs are not designed to eat commercial dry dog kibble... To the point there is a huge industry based on dog food bowls.....to keep dogs from gulping dry dog food without gulping and inhaling dry commercial dog food... The thing is.... if a dog eats and gulps Large chunks of raw animal matter... it becomes a complete non issue...
Then look at the digestive tract of a canine... Short and fast... Nothing omnivore about it..... Even if a dog could chew as well as humans or bears..... The digestive system is far too short, quick and basic to effectively digest plant matter... Dogs can get some nutrition out of plant matter....
We can debate this forever.... but look at the facts.....
But people will believe what they want to.... And do what they want to......
I do what I do.... Not because I want to... But because I care about my dogs and want to do the best for them....
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Post by bullfrog on May 24, 2024 6:38:08 GMT -5
My dogs ear an all raw meat diet....Bones and all..... My wife throws them veggies from time to time.... My ACD looks at her like WTF is this? you trying to poison me? Sometimes the Labrador will get so excited she will grab a piece of carrot or broccoli... but as soon as she realizes it is not meat, she spits it out and runs around the house and rolls around the floor like she was poisoned.... When I first started feeding raw, I tried feeding vegetables.... Then I learned that Canines cannot break down the cellular walls of plant material in their digestive tract.... Plant material has to be highly pulverized or cooked down to the point of rendering for it to be of any real nutritional value... So for a couple of years I spent hours.... And probably a couple of grand in food processors.... Grinding and Pulverizing vegetables to add to my dogs diets...... Over time.... I witnessed things, learned things, etc.... And stopped feeding any vegetable matter to my dogs..... And my dogs got better because of it.... They built more muscle, their coats got better, better energy...Better Everything... If it does not come off an animal... I do not feed it to my dogs.... The only vegetable/fruit I have found my dogs will eat without doctoring it up is avocado..... Not trying to argue here, you are the dog guy around here. But, aren’t canines classified as omnivores. Wolves, yotes, fox , jackals all will eat fruits and vegetables. We’ve debated it before in other dog threads. My position is that domestic dogs are omnivores, while most wild canines are carnivores that can eat other things on occasion. We made domestic dogs omnivores through natural and artificial selection by having dogs live with us. Animal traits are moldable. Animals can be morphed into all sorts of variants from their wild counterparts so that later iterations under human control can be all together a different than their ancestors. I’ve used chickens as examples where the wild chicken and average domestic chicken are omnivores, but one branch of the domestic chicken’s family tree has been morphed into being mostly meat-eating carnivores. Even their digestive tracts are much different than a regular chicken’s for this reason. |
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Post by gardawg on May 24, 2024 6:48:45 GMT -5
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Post by johnnybandit on May 25, 2024 0:05:51 GMT -5
Not trying to argue here, you are the dog guy around here. But, aren’t canines classified as omnivores. Wolves, yotes, fox , jackals all will eat fruits and vegetables. We’ve debated it before in other dog threads. My position is that domestic dogs are omnivores, while most wild canines are carnivores that can eat other things on occasion. We made domestic dogs omnivores through natural and artificial selection by having dogs live with us. Animal traits are moldable. Animals can be morphed into all sorts of variants from their wild counterparts so that later iterations under human control can be all together a different than their ancestors. I’ve used chickens as examples where the wild chicken and average domestic chicken are omnivores, but one branch of the domestic chicken’s family tree has been morphed into being mostly meat-eating carnivores. Even their digestive tracts are much different than a regular chicken’s for this reason. I know you consider dogs as omnivores........ But if I slapped a coyote, Wolf, Pariah dog (dingoes etc) and domestic dog.... intestinal tracts on a table... Similar sized animals.... say 45 pound animals to keep it fair.... You could not tell the difference... Nor could. Nor could a biologist or a Vet... Because the digestive tracts all look exactly the same... because They are all carnivores..... It would take DNA testing to figure out who is who....
I know you like to Both be right.... And experiment... .you have some puppies on the ground...pr had some... did you keep one.... why not try one my way? I know you want to be right.... But I have been feeding this this way for over 30 years.... So I know I am right.
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Post by bullfrog on May 25, 2024 6:44:48 GMT -5
We’ve debated it before in other dog threads. My position is that domestic dogs are omnivores, while most wild canines are carnivores that can eat other things on occasion. We made domestic dogs omnivores through natural and artificial selection by having dogs live with us. Animal traits are moldable. Animals can be morphed into all sorts of variants from their wild counterparts so that later iterations under human control can be all together a different than their ancestors. I’ve used chickens as examples where the wild chicken and average domestic chicken are omnivores, but one branch of the domestic chicken’s family tree has been morphed into being mostly meat-eating carnivores. Even their digestive tracts are much different than a regular chicken’s for this reason. I know you consider dogs as omnivores........ But if I slapped a coyote, Wolf, Pariah dog (dingoes etc) and domestic dog.... intestinal tracts on a table... Similar sized animals.... say 45 pound animals to keep it fair.... You could not tell the difference... Nor could. Nor could a biologist or a Vet... Because the digestive tracts all look exactly the same... because They are all carnivores..... It would take DNA testing to figure out who is who....
I know you like to Both be right.... And experiment... .you have some puppies on the ground...pr had some... did you keep one.... why not try one my way? I know you want to be right.... But I have been feeding this this way for over 30 years.... So I know I am right.
There are scientifically observable differences between dog and wolf digestive systems that shows dogs are better suited to digest human-grown plant material: www.science.org/content/article/diet-shaped-dog-domesticationbmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-021-02815-yBoth dog genetics and gut bacteria have been evolved by man’s selection to digest starch. There’s probably a lot of variation of diet adaptations between specific breeds of dogs depending on what their diets have been over the last few hundred years. I would expect dogs from the far north to be more meat-focused and dogs from temperate regions with a lot of farming to be more starch oriented. I want my dogs to survive and thrive on whatever I can feed them. Meat scraps, eggs, potatoes, whatever I can throw out for them they need to be able to live off of, because they day may come where that’s all I can offer. I view them through the same survivalist lens I see my other livestock. I don’t want them to specialize on a particular food. Raw meat can only practically offered on occasion in a farm setting. I do notice that raw meat lasts them a lot longer. When I let them gorge on meat scraps after butchering a large animal, I won’t feed them anything for about a week or however long it takes for the fullness or bloat in their bellies to go away. Once they get their shape back, I return them to a staple kibble diet supplemented with table scraps and what they hunt in the woods. |
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Post by bullfrog on May 25, 2024 6:47:55 GMT -5
My female bulldog enjoyed a raw green tomato yesterday. She seems to eat whatever I throw out.
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Post by olmucky on May 25, 2024 7:15:19 GMT -5
My lab will literally eat anything. She loves watermelon and blueberries especially. And rabbit poop, lots of rabbit poop Had a lab that we’d take picking wild blueberry’s (family called Then huckleberry’s) He’d eat them off the bush faster than we could pick them. My current lab, like others mentioned will eat anything that hits the floor. Raw veggies. Cooked veggies. Broccoli. Banana. Anything. |
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Post by cadman on May 25, 2024 7:18:04 GMT -5
My dog gets Purina Pro Plan and no table scraps. She stays at 70lbs and the vet says she is healthy and that is all that matters.
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