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Post by ferris1248 on May 18, 2024 9:18:31 GMT -5
There's been a bit of push to get unions more involved in the American workforce. Folks may be finding out it's not always what was promised. "Penske Truck Rental employees in Nashville and Minneapolis voted to remove the International Association of Machinists union." "The vote came after each petitioned the National Labor Relations Board to remove the union from their workplace." "David Saylor filed the Nashville petition and Kyle Fulkerson filed the Minneapolis petition with free legal aid from the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation." "The Minnesota workers voted 26-7 on May 1 to remove the union while the Tennessee workers voted 15-8 on May 8 for the removal." “This lopsided vote is a testament to the fact that after having seen the IAM up close and personal in our workplace, my colleagues and I are confident that we are better off without union officials so-called ‘representation,’” Fulkerson said in a statement." "The Minnesota removal became final May 8 and Tennessee on Wednesday after a one-week objection period." “Workers across the country are increasingly exercising their rights to remove unwanted unions, with more decertification elections held last year than in any year since 2017,” National Right to Work Foundation President Mark Mix said in a statement." www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/penske-truck-rental-employees-in-nashville-minneapolis-oust-union/ar-BB1mA01y?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=u531&cvid=08e34c85d1d64cb5c64c31c72f1b8466&ei=21"Workers at a Mercedes-Benz plant in Vance, Alabama, voted against unionizing in a major setback for the United Auto Workers (UAW)." "Autoworkers at the plant voted just 44% in favor of unionizing under the UAW and 56% against, with more than 4,600 votes cast, according to preliminary results released by the union Friday." "The loss by the UAW threatens the union’s plan to expand into many of the currently non-unionized auto plants in the U.S., particularly in the South, that have traditionally resisted unionization." www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/united-auto-workers-uaw-handed-huge-defeat-by-alabama-workers/ar-BB1mB7OA?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=u531&cvid=df8378393b9e4ad7cdca8458f0ca68cd&ei=9
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Post by swampdog on May 18, 2024 9:32:43 GMT -5
Pretty interesting. Never appreciated the fact people would tell you not to come to work when you really needed too.
I guess they were great in the early days when working conditions were unsafe.
I guess the majority is speaking and that’s the way each business should be.
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Post by tonyroma on May 18, 2024 9:48:44 GMT -5
Pretty interesting. Never appreciated the fact people would tell you not to come to work when you really needed too. I guess they were great in the early days when working conditions were unsafe. I guess the majority is speaking and that’s the way each business should be. I’m a union guy but if the majority want them out so be it. Mercedes plant in Bama just voted no on the UAW. |
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Post by illinoisfisherman on May 18, 2024 9:53:58 GMT -5
Unions only take dues and “invest”(use) your money that they take from your checks for retirement.
They seem not to stand up for their workers any longer. Some municipalities are now decertifying their unions.
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Post by tonyroma on May 18, 2024 10:01:38 GMT -5
Unions only take dues and “invest”(use) your money that they take from your checks for retirement. They seem not to stand up for their workers any longer. Some municipalities are now decertifying their unions. Thats a huge generalization. Many unions do much more than what you have stated. |
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Post by bswiv on May 18, 2024 10:08:05 GMT -5
Unions only take dues and “invest”(use) your money that they take from your checks for retirement. They seem not to stand up for their workers any longer. Some municipalities are now decertifying their unions. Thats a huge generalization. Many unions do much more than what you have stated. I'm generally not a "union" sort......and surely would eliminate all public unions ( teachers etc. ).......but.......a enlightened union leadership can be part of making a operation more efficient. Remember my grandfather explaining how that would happen in the garment industry at times......though I'm now unclear on the details of what he said. He's been gone 40+ years so it's been a LONG TIME. Life is complicated. |
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Post by tonyroma on May 18, 2024 10:37:12 GMT -5
I disagree on your public sector Union thing since I’m in one, I do agree when the Union and management work together it can improve efficiency. It does not have to be an adversarial relationship. Now a shop of 20 guys at a Penske rental probably never even sees a union rep unless something bad has happened, if things are ticking away like clockwork I can see why they feel they don’t need representation.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on May 18, 2024 12:02:31 GMT -5
My father basically held the highest union position (not a union rep)on the CSX Railroad. The railroad wanted him to become kind of an executive but he refused to leave the union so they created a new position for him. He spent the last 10 years working on upgrading the railroad communication system During the course of his tenure on the railroad he had held many union positions.
The railroad officials were very pleased with his work and when he was finally finished they actually paid him to retire when he was about 59. I didn’t follow exactly what the problem was with the union but it seemed that they kind of gave him some static about his special deal.
Anyway he must have been good at what he did as his “territory” was “everything east of the Mississippi” and it was basically an east coast railroad.
Earlier on I remembered some people calling him at home once in a while. One had kind of an odd name. That was when the merger happened that formed the CSX predecessor the “Chessie System “. Later I read the names of the callers mentioned in an article. They were the two men that were basically the Presidents of the railroad. I asked Dad why they called. He said simply for information and advice.
Anyway a lifelong union man soured on his union at the end of his career. 🤷♂️
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Post by bswiv on May 18, 2024 12:08:13 GMT -5
I disagree on your public sector Union thing since I’m in one, I do agree when the Union and management work together it can improve efficiency. It does not have to be an adversarial relationship. Now a shop of 20 guys at a Penske rental probably never even sees a union rep unless something bad has happened, if things are ticking away like clockwork I can see why they feel they don’t need representation. Honestly......I fail to see why the arbiter of compliance with labor laws and all the rest would need to have it's own employees in a union? I mean if there was a place where one would expect the rules to be followed it would be at the place where they both write and enforce the rules......the government...... So.....please enlighten me..... |
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Post by wynnv on May 18, 2024 12:59:00 GMT -5
I have many thoughts on this as I have many years of experience with this topic. I will keep it short and simple. Unions are only as strong as their membership. If you have a weak membership you might as well not have representation. Life is about checks and balances. Not all employers have the best interest of their employees in mind.
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Post by ferris1248 on May 18, 2024 14:24:39 GMT -5
I have many thoughts on this as I have many years of experience with this topic. I will keep it short and simple. Unions are only as strong as their membership. If you have a weak membership you might as well not have representation. Life is about checks and balances. Not all employers have the best interest of their employees in mind. I pretty much agree with you although that last sentence could be reversed in certain situations. |
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Post by bswiv on May 18, 2024 14:40:20 GMT -5
I have many thoughts on this as I have many years of experience with this topic. I will keep it short and simple. Unions are only as strong as their membership. If you have a weak membership you might as well not have representation. Life is about checks and balances. Not all employers have the best interest of their employees in mind. I pretty much agree with you although that last sentence could be reversed in certain situations. What he says here....... We often do not know nor at times like what is actually in our self interest. Employees are just as often as disinterested in the employer surviving than the employer is in the employee's desire to drive fine cars. Balance.......a wise employer values his employees and takes good care that they are happy and paid well. And employees who have such a employer are best served by doing their best to make sure the employer turns a profit. Those things feed on one another...... |
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Post by volfan on May 18, 2024 14:46:17 GMT -5
I am surprised that VW in Chattanooga voted for union a couple weeks ago.
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Post by ferris1248 on May 18, 2024 14:57:38 GMT -5
I was a little. I think it's the result of covid, wages not keeping up with subsequent inflation and housing. We've seen several unions voted for here in the south where's it not common.
The VW deal was curious to me but the Penske thing was kinda strange. They voted themselves in but turned around and voted themselves out in a relatively short period of time.
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Post by whitebacon on May 18, 2024 16:06:53 GMT -5
Unions only take dues and “invest”(use) your money that they take from your checks for retirement. They seem not to stand up for their workers any longer. Some municipalities are now decertifying their unions. Thats a huge generalization. Many unions do much more than what you have stated. We can fight about this another day, but in Florida by far, the most useless and corrupt union is the teachers union, where membership is basically compelled. Ex-wife, ex- girlfriend, and MY mother, all teachers. I saw it first hand, as well as the bullshit dues which were paid via automatic payroll deduction, which the school board sanctioned and mandated. Talk about a racket. |
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