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Post by garycoleco on Apr 13, 2024 16:17:33 GMT -5
They should not be investigating police misconduct. They aren’t qualified to. "Well they should not be afraid if they have nothing to hide" |
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Post by bullfrog on Apr 13, 2024 16:35:11 GMT -5
They should not be investigating police misconduct. They aren’t qualified to. "Well they should not be afraid if they have nothing to hide" You didn’t quote that from me. I’m always fearful of unqualified people being given power to make decisions that are over their heads. |
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Post by garycoleco on Apr 13, 2024 16:39:25 GMT -5
"Well they should not be afraid if they have nothing to hide" You didn’t quote that from me. I’m always fearful of unqualified people being given power to make decisions that are over their heads. What makes someone unqualified and in over their heads? |
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Post by bullfrog on Apr 13, 2024 16:55:37 GMT -5
You didn’t quote that from me. I’m always fearful of unqualified people being given power to make decisions that are over their heads. What makes someone unqualified and in over their heads? You tell me, what should qualify someone to be on a non-elected board, that answers to no elected official, to fire police officers for decisions they make in the field? Just the fact that the board members want to be there and think they should have final say over law enforcement matters? |
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Post by swampdog on Apr 13, 2024 16:57:25 GMT -5
I think a good part of the law would keep people from crowding/inter-fearing at a crime scene or accident scene trying to take videos while getting in the way. First responders need room to work.
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Post by garycoleco on Apr 13, 2024 18:38:31 GMT -5
What makes someone unqualified and in over their heads? You tell me, what should qualify someone to be on a non-elected board, that answers to no elected official, to fire police officers for decisions they make in the field? Just the fact that the board members want to be there and think they should have final say over law enforcement matters? Law enforcement officers are public servants. They're employed and paid by We The People. I fully believe they should also be scrutinize by their employers. We're smart enough to be employed, make money, and pay their salaries we would be considered smart enough to determine when they're wrong and how they should be dealt with. |
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Post by bullfrog on Apr 13, 2024 18:49:11 GMT -5
You tell me, what should qualify someone to be on a non-elected board, that answers to no elected official, to fire police officers for decisions they make in the field? Just the fact that the board members want to be there and think they should have final say over law enforcement matters? Law enforcement officers are public servants. They're employed and paid by We The People. I fully believe they should also be scrutinize by their employers. We're smart enough to be employed, make money, and pay their salaries we would be considered smart enough to determine when they're wrong and how they should be dealt with. So you don’t believe in a republican form of government? Because “we the people” already have control over law enforcement through the system the Founders set up. If your sheriff’s office does wrong and the Sheriff won’t clean house, you elect a new Sheriff. If your police department does wrong, you have your mayor or city counsel remove the Chief if the Chief doesn’t do right. And LEO agencies in Florida answer to FDLE for misconduct, and FDLE answers to the governor. Who you can boot out if you don’t like. Citizen review boards are not elected. They’re selected based on political ties and once selected are accountable to no one. They’re often not made of up people who know or understand law enforcement procedure or Due Process. Its BLM, anti-law-enforcement, goofiness. Citizen review boards aren’t “we the people.” Its “defund the police.” |
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Post by garycoleco on Apr 13, 2024 20:00:45 GMT -5
Law enforcement officers are public servants. They're employed and paid by We The People. I fully believe they should also be scrutinize by their employers. We're smart enough to be employed, make money, and pay their salaries we would be considered smart enough to determine when they're wrong and how they should be dealt with. So you don’t believe in a republican form of government? Because “we the people” already have control over law enforcement through the system the Founders set up. If your sheriff’s office does wrong and the Sheriff won’t clean house, you elect a new Sheriff. If your police department does wrong, you have your mayor or city counsel remove the Chief if the Chief doesn’t do right. And LEO agencies in Florida answer to FDLE for misconduct, and FDLE answers to the governor. Who you can boot out if you don’t like. Citizen review boards are not elected. They’re selected based on political ties and once selected are accountable to no one. They’re often not made of up people who know or understand law enforcement procedure or Due Process. Its BLM, anti-law-enforcement, goofiness. Citizen review boards aren’t “we the people.” Its “defund the police.” Law enforcement never does a good job of policing itself. It's not in their playbook. Because of this it needs oversight from citizens regardless of their political affiliation. Sadly the government plan is to keep us fighting each other instead of looking at the real problem. Dont be scared if you've done nothing wrong |
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Post by bullfrog on Apr 13, 2024 20:36:11 GMT -5
So you don’t believe in a republican form of government? Because “we the people” already have control over law enforcement through the system the Founders set up. If your sheriff’s office does wrong and the Sheriff won’t clean house, you elect a new Sheriff. If your police department does wrong, you have your mayor or city counsel remove the Chief if the Chief doesn’t do right. And LEO agencies in Florida answer to FDLE for misconduct, and FDLE answers to the governor. Who you can boot out if you don’t like. Citizen review boards are not elected. They’re selected based on political ties and once selected are accountable to no one. They’re often not made of up people who know or understand law enforcement procedure or Due Process. Its BLM, anti-law-enforcement, goofiness. Citizen review boards aren’t “we the people.” Its “defund the police.” Law enforcement never does a good job of policing itself. It's not in their playbook. Because of this it needs oversight from citizens regardless of their political affiliation. Sadly the government plan is to keep us fighting each other instead of looking at the real problem. Dont be scared if you've done nothing wrong I just remembered, there’s already a Constitutionally mandated panel of citizens who are allowed to investigate public corruption: the Grand Jury. Grand Juries have long standing procedures that goes back to the founding of the country and centuries before. Unlike citizen review boards, they are not a newfangled thing. They’re allowed to investigate almost anything they want and have proper framework to do so. So why not be satisfied with Grand Juries, as opposed to BLM activists on “citizen review boards,” looking into police matters? |
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 13, 2024 23:09:00 GMT -5
Law enforcement never does a good job of policing itself. It's not in their playbook. Because of this it needs oversight from citizens regardless of their political affiliation. Sadly the government plan is to keep us fighting each other instead of looking at the real problem. Dont be scared if you've done nothing wrong I just remembered, there’s already a Constitutionally mandated panel of citizens who are allowed to investigate public corruption: the Grand Jury. Grand Juries have long standing procedures that goes back to the founding of the country and centuries before. Unlike citizen review boards, they are not a newfangled thing. They’re allowed to investigate almost anything they want and have proper framework to do so. So why not be satisfied with Grand Juries, as opposed to BLM activists on “citizen review boards,” looking into police matters? Because grand juries depend on prosecutors who will hold cops accountable and they clearly haven’t done so. They are on the same team |
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Post by nikonoclast on Apr 13, 2024 23:56:11 GMT -5
I've pointed this out in the past, but it bears repeating:
By order of the US Supreme Court:
There is only one public sector job that can be denied solely for scoring too high on an intelligence test.
That job is "police officer".
The Court reasoned that the practice was allowable because smarter recruits left quicker, and more often, for better jobs.
As a result, Police departments could not recoup the cost of their training.
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Post by whitebacon on Apr 14, 2024 5:51:46 GMT -5
I've pointed this out in the past, but it bears repeating: By order of the US Supreme Court: There is only one public sector job that can be denied solely for scoring too high on an intelligence test. That job is "police officer". The Court reasoned that the practice was allowable because smarter recruits left quicker, and more often, for better jobs. As a result, Police departments could not recoup the cost of their training. Who pays to clean the toilets when you girls meet at the rest stops? |
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Post by olmucky on Apr 14, 2024 6:52:30 GMT -5
How about “DeSantis 2028” DeSantis # 48 I wonder if he’d attach his name to trump if asked to be VP |
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Post by garycoleco on Apr 14, 2024 7:21:25 GMT -5
Law enforcement never does a good job of policing itself. It's not in their playbook. Because of this it needs oversight from citizens regardless of their political affiliation. Sadly the government plan is to keep us fighting each other instead of looking at the real problem. Dont be scared if you've done nothing wrong I just remembered, there’s already a Constitutionally mandated panel of citizens who are allowed to investigate public corruption: the Grand Jury. Grand Juries have long standing procedures that goes back to the founding of the country and centuries before. Unlike citizen review boards, they are not a newfangled thing. They’re allowed to investigate almost anything they want and have proper framework to do so. So why not be satisfied with Grand Juries, as opposed to BLM activists on “citizen review boards,” looking into police matters? Grand juries are comprised of random registered voters, but locked in for a long time in which a relationship is built. It's a one sided affair. I'm just not a fan at all. It's rigged from the jump. |
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Post by Captj on Apr 14, 2024 7:34:00 GMT -5
I disagree with the cancelling of the Citizen's Review authority, but completely agree with the 25' rule for first responders. They have to operate under chaotic situations.
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