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Post by meateater on Apr 18, 2024 9:38:31 GMT -5
If insults were opinions someone on here would be the world's most opinionated man. cyclist is a passionate man who truly believes he is fighting for the right thing, i wouldnt confuse his passion and enthusiasm with insults.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 18, 2024 9:48:03 GMT -5
If insults were opinions someone on here would be the world's most opinionated man. cyclist is a passionate man who truly believes he is fighting for the right thing, i wouldnt confuse his passion and enthusiasm with insults. I hope that statement is meant to be a joke. The man is an a-hole. Not that I am not one also, but his picture is in the dictionary next to the word.
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 18, 2024 12:11:54 GMT -5
Just my opinion, but one shouldn't discount the number of hot heads and drunks out there using easy access of guns in crimes of passion.
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Post by richm on Apr 18, 2024 13:53:47 GMT -5
Just my opinion, but one shouldn't discount the number of hot heads and drunks out there using easy access of guns in crimes of passion. but it is a low number when compared to drugs and automobiles. What is an acceptable death? A guy with more than 3-5 violent crimes or 10-12 nonviolent crimes on his rap sheet would be an acceptable death. We all make mistakes, and some just learn slower than others. What about counting gun suicides as mental health deaths? You gotta be pretty set to shoot yerself. Can add it to overdoses cause they needed help too. Then if you remove the passionate ones who shoot folks and the mentally ill, gun deaths would be more similar to the number of say deaths by falling out of an office chair and breaking a neck.
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Post by richm on Apr 18, 2024 13:55:23 GMT -5
cyclist is a passionate man who truly believes he is fighting for the right thing, i wouldnt confuse his passion and enthusiasm with insults. I hope that statement is meant to be a joke. The man is an a-hole. Not that I am not one also, but his picture is in the dictionary next to the word. Nope - he's as sweet as they come until you go nose to nose over some political issues. He's passionate about those and just digs in real quick. Best thing is to avoid those topics with him - you aint gonna change his mind.
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 18, 2024 13:57:35 GMT -5
If you have a law, or regulation that you think will make a difference and is logistically possible I'd love to hear it.
I just don't see any way to make a dent due to the number of guns and the ease of access.
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Post by cyclist on Apr 18, 2024 14:00:14 GMT -5
I hope that statement is meant to be a joke. The man is an a-hole. Not that I am not one also, but his picture is in the dictionary next to the word. Nope - he's as sweet as they come until you go nose to nose over some political issues. He's passionate about those and just digs in real quick. Best thing is to avoid those topics with him - you aint gonna change his mind. Thanks man, I do go over the edge with politics, and no one is changing any minds being an asshole, me for sure (not changing my mind and being an asshole).
I always try and cite sources that are not msnbc or huff post. There is lots of pretty good info out there.
Just need to make a case and let it rest on its laurels.
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Post by cyclist on Apr 18, 2024 14:04:07 GMT -5
If you have a law, or regulation that you think will make a difference and is logistically possible I'd love to hear it. I just don't see any way to make a dent due to the number of guns and the ease of access. The most strict gun laws are working. They don't take peoples guns or really inhibit guns. And they work.
Take the strictest state and make those laws across the board. Some one is always gonna cite Illinois, lots of gun deaths, strict laws - rate A, surrounded by states that get an F for laws - F for laws = A for unfettered purchase = > gun deaths.
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Post by luapnor on Apr 18, 2024 14:10:27 GMT -5
Yes, because the states with the least strict guns laws have the worst gun violence.
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Post by richm on Apr 18, 2024 14:59:22 GMT -5
If you have a law, or regulation that you think will make a difference and is logistically possible I'd love to hear it. I just don't see any way to make a dent due to the number of guns and the ease of access. Bad people do bad things. Remove bad people from the equation and life is better for so many people, especially the victims. We have a criminal justice system and not a victim justice system. There is a diff. I wish they had death sentences and mandatory removal from the population for bad people. Many of these seem to be in big cities and the cities like to use the revolving door techniques. Until they fix that, the desire to remove guns from lawful people will continue.
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 18, 2024 15:02:45 GMT -5
If you have a law, or regulation that you think will make a difference and is logistically possible I'd love to hear it. I just don't see any way to make a dent due to the number of guns and the ease of access. Bad people do bad things. Remove bad people from the equation and life is better for so many people, especially the victims. We have a criminal justice system and not a victim justice system. There is a diff. I wish they had death sentences and mandatory removal from the population for bad people. Many of these seem to be in big cities and the cities like to use the revolving door techniques. Until they fix that, the desire to remove guns from lawful people will continue. The first world is full of bad people, yet this is a uniquely American problem.
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Post by richm on Apr 18, 2024 15:04:18 GMT -5
Nope - he's as sweet as they come until you go nose to nose over some political issues. He's passionate about those and just digs in real quick. Best thing is to avoid those topics with him - you aint gonna change his mind. Thanks man, I do go over the edge with politics, and no one is changing any minds being an asshole, me for sure (not changing my mind and being an asshole).
I always try and cite sources that are not msnbc or huff post. There is lots of pretty good info out there.
Just need to make a case and let it rest on its laurels.
You and Bimini often come out of the door pretty strong on some stuff. Used to wonder what the deal was/is and noticed that it is a few topics and sometimes provoked. It does seem to be a passion about certain topics - otherwise, never an issue and good easy conversation about stuff - solid answers when asked for opinions and advice. Chalk it up as a diff of opinion and enjoy the company.
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Post by meateater on Apr 18, 2024 15:19:27 GMT -5
yea i didnt like captj secretly going after cyclist.
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Post by richm on Apr 18, 2024 15:21:50 GMT -5
Bad people do bad things. Remove bad people from the equation and life is better for so many people, especially the victims. We have a criminal justice system and not a victim justice system. There is a diff. I wish they had death sentences and mandatory removal from the population for bad people. Many of these seem to be in big cities and the cities like to use the revolving door techniques. Until they fix that, the desire to remove guns from lawful people will continue. The first world is full of bad people, yet this is a uniquely American problem. We do have a unique society and that's slowly transforming into something else cause some people want to be like Europe or whatever. Based on NICS background data and manufacturing records, it is estimated that there are 393 million civilian-owned firearms in the U.S. Only 6.06 million firearms are registered in America (NFA registrations and states with permits to purchase) Estimates show that 82,880,000 people own at least one firearm in 2023.20,000 homicides/82,880,000 = 0.0002% of gun owners committed a homicide. More killed themselves. Did a quick google: linkI checked online and found some fascinating numbers. A good website with footnotes and references to authoritative sources is GunFacts.info. There I learned the following:
Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year, or 6,849 every day. Most often, the gun is never fired, and no blood (including the criminal’s) is shed.
Every year, 400,000 life-threatening violent crimes are prevented using firearms.
60 percent of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed. Forty percent of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they thought the victim might be armed.
Felons report that they avoid entering houses where people are at home because they fear being shot.
Fewer than 1 percent of firearms are used in the commission of a crime.
If you doubt the objectivity of the site above, it’s worth pointing out that the Center for Disease Control, in a report ordered by President Obama in 2012 following the Sandy Hook Massacre, estimated that the number of crimes prevented by guns could be even higher—as many as 3 million annually, or some 8,200 every day.
Another excellent source of information on this topic (and many more current issues) is the Gun Control page at JustFacts.org. (Full disclosure: I serve on the board of directors of JustFacts because I believe in the organization’s objectiveness, accuracy, and integrity.)
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Post by Captj on Apr 18, 2024 16:05:12 GMT -5
yea i didnt like captj secretly going after cyclist. Huh?
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