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Post by ogbohica on Feb 1, 2024 20:09:51 GMT -5
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Post by One Man Gang on Feb 1, 2024 21:28:14 GMT -5
Man, you guys better be careful what you support in this survey. Once again, the terms "add" and "establish" are actually being used to reduce your access and hunting privileges in several instances. Make damn sure you cross reference these proposals with the current regs in the brochures or you may actually be supporting having to sit your ass on the couch more frequently in the future instead of hunting.
Some of the proposals are good, and actually increase opportunities but READ AND RESEARCH before you hit support. Not all is as simple and straightforward as it seems. I've warned about this kind of word trickery in the past, so beware.
Seems like a lot of proposed reductions in the NW zone, and I will be highly surprised if we are still allowed to even hunt in Big Cypress in 10 years.
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Post by richm on Feb 1, 2024 22:13:39 GMT -5
Amazing how many hunterz vote for restrictionz. They dont realize the theory of death by 1,000 cutz.
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Post by ogbohica on Feb 2, 2024 8:15:17 GMT -5
BOHICA
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Post by ogbohica on Feb 2, 2024 8:31:22 GMT -5
Isn't it also amazing the restrictions that are even on the Survey itself.
You can't use the back button?
You cant re access the surey if you want to participate in another survey for another area..... If you originally clicked only one.
It's got BS written all over it... why can't it be just a cut n dry survey Well like Big Mak said, its persuasive. Written by survey experts to persuade you into a designed path THEY want you to walk slowly on.
Fk FWCC "staff" not the officer
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Post by JS84 on Feb 2, 2024 8:51:06 GMT -5
General Comments:
"The cost of non-residents turkey permits needs to be increased. Folks travel from all over to Florida to hunt Osceolas. Charge them accordingly to harvest our resources"
And I listed I was taking the Survey on behalf of an official organization: Florida Outdoors LLC | Floridaoutdoorforums.com
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Post by meateater on Feb 2, 2024 11:27:15 GMT -5
i dont dog hunt for deer and have nothing bad to say about it, heck if asked i support it but it seems fwc has found a new whipping boy. first it was swamp buggies, reptile businesses, ebikes, now its dog hunting for deer, good luck dog hunters your now in the crosshairs with the rest of public land hunters.
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Post by One Man Gang on Feb 2, 2024 12:13:02 GMT -5
Agreed Meat. I feel (after reading the survey) like the dog hunters have been in the crosshairs for awhile and they are basically being forced to choose to devise their own compromises which will eventually phase themselves out at some point, or, they will be phased out sooner if the choice is left to others in power.
I hate to think/say this, but deer hunting with dogs will eventually find its intended destiny like fox hunting did. I hope I'm wrong, but I know I'm not.
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Post by ogbohica on Feb 2, 2024 12:22:23 GMT -5
My daughter went to do the Survey but guess what, one surey per ISP address....
Also, I did a quick glance at the factbook page for HuntFlorida I think in a years time they have posted 3 dead animal pics, one gator, few ducks, and a deer all very staged picture.
Our FWCC has been systematically diminishing Fl hunting for a while now... are a pen pushing group the the MYFWCC agenda.
They even wear some of the best advocates down by getting them involved with youth hunts so they cant bash them any longer. I een commented on another forum about how some of them defend FWC and say its not their fault(fwc) that all the spraying happens but when I asked how much money does FWC ask for in the budget all you get is crickets.
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Post by Stumpy on Feb 2, 2024 18:40:27 GMT -5
Green swamp west...quota permits for small game?? No support from me.
Looked they are trying to cut all the hunts at BC by half or more... No support from me.
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Post by anumber1 on Feb 2, 2024 20:20:07 GMT -5
i dont dog hunt for deer and have nothing bad to say about it, heck if asked i support it but it seems fwc has found a new whipping boy. first it was swamp buggies, reptile businesses, ebikes, now its dog hunting for deer, good luck dog hunters your now in the crosshairs with the rest of public land hunters. That crap came straight from Newton Cook and his DMTAG ass boys |
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Post by bullfrog on Feb 3, 2024 1:37:24 GMT -5
I will not speak, click, or write in favor of any more restrictions on dog hunters. They have enough on their plate…HOWEVER….
…let’s be honest about why dog hunters are often so ostracized. Many areas around north Florida have at least one outlaw dog hunting clan of 50 or so hunters (poachers) that purposely terrorize everyone and pillage everything else around them. They’ll dump their dogs on your lease, smirk and shrug their shoulders when you catch them, slit your tires when you aren’t looking, and burn your camp down if you offer resistance.
Now should the good dog hunters be punished because of the dirtbag dog hunters? No. But the dirtbags are the ones that are constantly putting themselves out there for all to see as the face of dog hunting.
When did crusade against dog hunters all start? When some of the Big Bend outlaw clans were burning down still hunter camps in Dixie and surrounding counties some years ago. The FWC told them to stand down, they said “make us,” so the FWC started putting the screws to dog hunters ever since. It was very personal. My understanding that such conversations that amounted to “mess around and find out” between the FWC in the field and the outlaw dog clans actually took place and the “make us” response went all the way up the chain to the policy makes in Tallahassee that took them up on the challenge.
All I can say is maybe dog hunters should have policed their own, if such a thing was possible? The ill will towards them is here to stay.
Nor does it help that dog hunting requires lots of acreage and that’s in short supplies these days.
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Post by ogbohica on Feb 3, 2024 9:19:23 GMT -5
Someone must have said the same thing to FWC about a potential spray program to eradicate Hydrilla and anything else Fk around Find out, guess we found out! Same goes for Cougars, Bears, and pythons
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Post by walkerdog on Feb 3, 2024 11:18:23 GMT -5
The usual tin foil crew is out sharing their mostly uninformed opinions again, I see.🙄
I don’t doubt the accuracy of Bullfrog’s recounting of how the deer dogging community has arrived at the place it is currently at.
A few rotten potatoes will soon spoil the bunch, if not removed.
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Post by 4ward on Feb 3, 2024 12:14:37 GMT -5
We are ALL being removed. How is that FACT a delusional uninformed opinion?
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Post by bullfrog on Feb 3, 2024 15:35:37 GMT -5
Someone must have said the same thing to FWC about a potential spray program to eradicate Hydrilla and anything else Fk around Find out, guess we found out! Same goes for Cougars, Bears, and pythons No, the spraying has everything to do with the money and connections involved. Bears are abject fear of the animal-rights movement and Florida’s bastardized constitutional amendment system. Panthers are complicated. Pythons are the Fed’s fears of the unwashed massed of hunters molesting the Everglades. Those are the answers to all of your questions. |
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Post by One Man Gang on Feb 3, 2024 15:49:58 GMT -5
The usual tin foil crew is out sharing their mostly uninformed opinions again, I see.🙄 . A few rotten potatoes will soon spoil the bunch, if not removed. Stop it. I know you're smarter than this ^^^. The only tinfoil wrapping within this thread resides in that survey in order to obfuscate the true intent behind SOME of the questioning. Just like what happened during one of the last waterfowl hunting surveys extended to us. The fact is, as free roaming, fair chase hunters, we are being excised out of existence by a thousand cuts. I do agree that one bad apple does eventually spoil the whole bunch though. I have watched it increase every year in the marsh over some dumb territorial disputes involving a Sawgrass clump. |
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Post by swampdog on Feb 3, 2024 16:22:08 GMT -5
I may have read it incorrectly, but the dog hunt proposal was actually supported or requested by the dog hunters. I’m still working through the survey and voting how I feel it affects hunting affects us as a whole and me personally. So far I’ve actually voted no to several.
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Post by ap111 on Feb 3, 2024 17:01:29 GMT -5
The FWC is already certain and knows exactly what it will be doing regarding any new proposed regulations. They are just giving the hunters the illusion that their opinion actually counts for something. The game is rigged and their desired outcome has already been decided.
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Post by 4ward on Feb 3, 2024 18:24:25 GMT -5
I will not speak, click, or write in favor of any more restrictions on dog hunters. They have enough on their plate…HOWEVER…. …let’s be honest about why dog hunters are often so ostracized. Many areas around north Florida have at least one outlaw dog hunting clan of 50 or so hunters (poachers) that purposely terrorize everyone and pillage everything else around them. They’ll dump their dogs on your lease, smirk and shrug their shoulders when you catch them, slit your tires when you aren’t looking, and burn your camp down if you offer resistance. Now should the good dog hunters be punished because of the dirtbag dog hunters? No. But the dirtbags are the ones that are constantly putting themselves out there for all to see as the face of dog hunting. When did crusade against dog hunters all start? When some of the Big Bend outlaw clans were burning down still hunter camps in Dixie and surrounding counties some years ago. The FWC told them to stand down, they said “make us,” so the FWC started putting the screws to dog hunters ever since. It was very personal. My understanding that such conversations that amounted to “mess around and find out” between the FWC in the field and the outlaw dog clans actually took place and the “make us” response went all the way up the chain to the policy makes in Tallahassee that took them up on the challenge. All I can say is maybe dog hunters should have policed their own, if such a thing was possible? The ill will towards them is here to stay. Nor does it help that dog hunting requires lots of acreage and that’s in short supplies these days. “…let’s be honest about why dog hunters are often so ostracized. Many areas around north Florida have at least one outlaw dog hunting clan of 50 or so hunters (poachers) that purposely terrorize everyone and pillage everything else around them. They’ll dump their dogs on your lease, smirk and shrug their shoulders when you catch them, slit your tires when you aren’t looking, and burn your camp down if you offer resistance. “ Im sorry bullfrog but I don’t see much honesty in that. |
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Post by bullfrog on Feb 3, 2024 18:34:10 GMT -5
I will not speak, click, or write in favor of any more restrictions on dog hunters. They have enough on their plate…HOWEVER…. …let’s be honest about why dog hunters are often so ostracized. Many areas around north Florida have at least one outlaw dog hunting clan of 50 or so hunters (poachers) that purposely terrorize everyone and pillage everything else around them. They’ll dump their dogs on your lease, smirk and shrug their shoulders when you catch them, slit your tires when you aren’t looking, and burn your camp down if you offer resistance. Now should the good dog hunters be punished because of the dirtbag dog hunters? No. But the dirtbags are the ones that are constantly putting themselves out there for all to see as the face of dog hunting. When did crusade against dog hunters all start? When some of the Big Bend outlaw clans were burning down still hunter camps in Dixie and surrounding counties some years ago. The FWC told them to stand down, they said “make us,” so the FWC started putting the screws to dog hunters ever since. It was very personal. My understanding that such conversations that amounted to “mess around and find out” between the FWC in the field and the outlaw dog clans actually took place and the “make us” response went all the way up the chain to the policy makes in Tallahassee that took them up on the challenge. All I can say is maybe dog hunters should have policed their own, if such a thing was possible? The ill will towards them is here to stay. Nor does it help that dog hunting requires lots of acreage and that’s in short supplies these days. “…let’s be honest about why dog hunters are often so ostracized. Many areas around north Florida have at least one outlaw dog hunting clan of 50 or so hunters (poachers) that purposely terrorize everyone and pillage everything else around them. They’ll dump their dogs on your lease, smirk and shrug their shoulders when you catch them, slit your tires when you aren’t looking, and burn your camp down if you offer resistance. “ Im sorry bullfrog but I don’t see much honesty in that. You don't think that's the way outlaw dog hunting clans have presented dog hunting to still hunters and the FWC? If not, what's your belief as to why so many other hunters have strong hostility to dog hunters? It's coming from somewhere. If you're denying that large outlaw clans of dog hunters exist and cause havoc, I can simply tell you that you're ignorant of that truth. I have seen them with my own eyes. Even prosecuted them. They're like outlaw biker gangs, but dog hunters. And instead of taking over your local bar, they take over about 100k acres of woods both public and private (and not theirs) and bulldoze anyone that gives them resistance. That's a fact. Now if you want to argue that the honest dog hunters fly under the radar and the outlaws aren't representative of the good ones, well of course that's so. But the outlaws are common enough, and loud enough, that they're the dog hunters most people think of when thinking of what a dog hunter is like. If you don't like that, then snatch a knot in the outlaws. If you don't think they exist and are common, then there's the problem. The good dog hunters don't know. But I doubt that's so. I can't imagine the dog hunting community doesn't know about their local outlaw clans. |
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Post by ogbohica on Feb 3, 2024 19:00:40 GMT -5
I may have read it incorrectly, but the dog hunt proposal was actually supported or requested by the dog hunters. I’m still working through the survey and voting how I feel it affects hunting affects us as a whole and me personally. So far I’ve actually voted no to several. You really think that dog hunters asked for more restrictions? What Suwannee swifty do you get your coffee at? Or do you frequent the Starbucks in n Alachua? Good you are voting NO but dont spread that propaganda plz.. |
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Post by richm on Feb 4, 2024 9:40:56 GMT -5
I will not speak, click, or write in favor of any more restrictions on dog hunters. They have enough on their plate…HOWEVER…. …let’s be honest about why dog hunters are often so ostracized. Many areas around north Florida have at least one outlaw dog hunting clan of 50 or so hunters (poachers) that purposely terrorize everyone and pillage everything else around them. They’ll dump their dogs on your lease, smirk and shrug their shoulders when you catch them, slit your tires when you aren’t looking, and burn your camp down if you offer resistance. Now should the good dog hunters be punished because of the dirtbag dog hunters? No. But the dirtbags are the ones that are constantly putting themselves out there for all to see as the face of dog hunting. When did crusade against dog hunters all start? When some of the Big Bend outlaw clans were burning down still hunter camps in Dixie and surrounding counties some years ago. The FWC told them to stand down, they said “make us,” so the FWC started putting the screws to dog hunters ever since. It was very personal. My understanding that such conversations that amounted to “mess around and find out” between the FWC in the field and the outlaw dog clans actually took place and the “make us” response went all the way up the chain to the policy makes in Tallahassee that took them up on the challenge. All I can say is maybe dog hunters should have policed their own, if such a thing was possible? The ill will towards them is here to stay. Nor does it help that dog hunting requires lots of acreage and that’s in short supplies these days. “…let’s be honest about why dog hunters are often so ostracized. Many areas around north Florida have at least one outlaw dog hunting clan of 50 or so hunters (poachers) that purposely terrorize everyone and pillage everything else around them. They’ll dump their dogs on your lease, smirk and shrug their shoulders when you catch them, slit your tires when you aren’t looking, and burn your camp down if you offer resistance. “ Im sorry bullfrog but I don’t see much honesty in that. Thats how i see it, and not just in FL. Ive been on a dog hunt and it was fun. But those guys did not set up across and run the dogs thru other leases or private property. I’ve driven 10 hrs 1-way to hunt. Friend’s property and the local dog guys were there when i got there and said it was day 3 in a row. They had no permission. |
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Post by walkerdog on Feb 4, 2024 14:07:36 GMT -5
The usual tin foil crew is out sharing their mostly uninformed opinions again, I see.🙄 . A few rotten potatoes will soon spoil the bunch, if not removed. Stop it. I know you're smarter than this ^^^. The only tinfoil wrapping within this thread resides in that survey in order to obfuscate the true intent behind SOME of the questioning. Just like what happened during one of the last waterfowl hunting surveys extended to us. The fact is, as free roaming, fair chase hunters, we are being excised out of existence by a thousand cuts. I do agree that one bad apple does eventually spoil the whole bunch though. I have watched it increase every year in the marsh over some dumb territorial disputes involving a Sawgrass clump. I am smart enough to know half truths when I see them. Thats what Rich almost always offers here. When you mix fact with fiction, what you end up with is just more fiction. To really be helpful, you can’t let emotion keep you from sticking to the facts and lead you into conjecture and innuendo. With his passion, he could actually do some good, if he could just get out of his own way. Unfortunately, he doesn’t seem capable of it. At least not from what I’ve seen him post on any forum so far. |
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Post by walkerdog on Feb 4, 2024 14:12:19 GMT -5
I may have read it incorrectly, but the dog hunt proposal was actually supported or requested by the dog hunters. I’m still working through the survey and voting how I feel it affects hunting affects us as a whole and me personally. So far I’ve actually voted no to several. You really think that dog hunters asked for more restrictions? What Suwannee swifty do you get your coffee at? Or do you frequent the Starbucks in n Alachua? Good you are voting NO but dont spread that propaganda plz.. 🤣 Rich telling someone else not to spread propaganda is just, well, rich! 🤣 |
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Post by stinkeytoes22 on Feb 4, 2024 15:01:17 GMT -5
Yep dog hunters suck no matter where u are
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Post by james14 on Feb 4, 2024 21:33:02 GMT -5
Who in the hell is asking to have "reaping" banned?
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Post by bullfrog on Feb 4, 2024 22:14:20 GMT -5
Who in the hell is asking to have "reaping" banned? Same people who pushed to ban hunting turkeys with rimfires on public land? I don’t see how the latter can be too unsafe for WMAs but the former not be. Either both practices should be legal or both should be banned; all should have the freedom to hunt turkeys like they want… or no one should. |
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Post by grizzl on Feb 5, 2024 10:27:56 GMT -5
Personal experience with dog hunters in Virgina, West Virginia bear hunters and HERE on these forums (One person in particular) have motivated me to vote against anything Pro Dog Hunter. You say "one bad apple", but I don't see any push back against these "apples" in real life or on these forums. Screw em...
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Post by JS84 on Feb 5, 2024 10:42:19 GMT -5
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