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Post by cyclist on Apr 2, 2024 11:40:10 GMT -5
Reason 432 trump sucks ass as a human being. He attacks and lies about peoples families...
It’s clearly strategic’: Why Trump kept attacking judges’ families Erica Orden and Meridith McGraw Tue, April 2, 2024 at 5:00 AM EDT·5 min read 8.8k
NEW YORK — Every time prosecutors and judges tried to muzzle Donald Trump, he lashed out at their families.
In three different court cases over the past six months, judges imposed gag orders that restrained the former president from vilifying witnesses, court employees and others involved in the proceedings against him. In each case, Trump responded by verbally attacking not only the prosecutors and judges themselves, but also their family members.
“It’s clearly strategic,” said Ty Cobb, who served as a White House lawyer under Trump but has become a frequent critic of the former president.
“His attacks are designed around his traditional approach to delegitimizing the proceedings.”
Late Monday, one of the judges tried to stop him.
After Trump spent several days denigrating the adult daughter of Justice Juan Merchan, the judge overseeing Trump’s Manhattan criminal case, Merchan issued an expanded gag order barring Trump from attacking the judge’s own family. Merchan also expanded the gag to cover the family of the lead prosecutor, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg.
“The average observer, must now, after hearing Defendant’s recent attacks, draw the conclusion that if they become involved in these proceedings, even tangentially, they should worry not only for themselves, but for their loved ones as well,” Merchan wrote. “Such concerns will undoubtedly interfere with the fair administration of justice and constitutes a direct attack on the Rule of Law itself.”
It’s not just the rule of law that’s under threat. Outside the courtroom, Trump’s judges have faced persistent threats to their personal safety, including “swatting” calls directed at their homes and a racist voicemail threatening murder.
Merchan’s new directive came after Bragg urged him to “clarify” whether an earlier gag order, which Merchan issued last week, applied to comments on the judge’s own family.
“This issue is not complicated,” Bragg’s team wrote. “Family members of trial participants must be strictly off-limits. Defendant’s insistence to the contrary bespeaks a dangerous sense of entitlement to instigate fear and even physical harm to the loved ones of those he sees in the courtroom.”
In his latest fusillade on social media, unleashed within days of Merchan’s original gag order, Trump called Merchan’s daughter a “Rabid Trump Hater” due to her work at a digital marketing agency that has Democratic clients. And he claimed that she had used an image of Trump behind bars as a profile picture for a social media account, although a court official said she had abandoned and deleted that account, and that it had been taken over by someone else.
Trump has launched similar attacks in other cases, using flimsy claims about judges’ relatives in a purported effort to show the judges’ own political biases.
While he was on trial last year in a civil case for business fraud, Trump went after Justice Arthur Engoron’s wife, sharing posts that claimed she had displayed anti-Trump messages on social media. She said the account in question wasn’t hers.
And in Trump’s federal criminal case in Washington, D.C., on charges that he sought to overturn the results of the 2020 election, he shared a post claiming that U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan is from a “Marxist family.” He also went after the family of the lead prosecutor in the case, special counsel Jack Smith, saying that Smith’s “wife and family despise me much more than he does.”
In all three cases, Trump exploited the fact that the versions of the gag orders in effect at the time did not explicitly bar him from attacking the relatives of judges or prosecutors. For instance, in the Manhattan case, in which Trump is accused of falsifying business records in the process of covering up a sex scandal that could have hurt him in the 2016 presidential campaign, Merchan’s original gag order restricted comments about family members of “the court’s staff” — a reference that did not clearly cover the family of the judge himself.
Trump’s attorneys opposed the original gag order as well as Bragg’s effort to clarify or expand it, saying that any new conditions would violate Trump’s right to free speech.
And they wrote that “President Trump’s comments concerning Your Honor’s daughter are, properly understood, a criticism of the Court’s prior decision not to recuse itself” — a reference to Merchan’s decision last year not to step down from the case. Trump had argued at the time that Merchan should recuse himself due in part to his daughter’s work for Democratic candidates.
Just as Trump’s attacks on family members follow a pattern, his lawyers have also repeatedly defended those attacks by saying that Trump, particularly as a candidate for president, has a First Amendment right to make them.
In a court hearing last year in the federal election case, Chutkan questioned Trump’s attacks on Smith’s wife, asking, “In what world, in what case would it be allowable for a criminal defendant to attack a prosecutor's family?”
Trump’s lawyer, John Lauro, defended the comments as a free speech exercise. “Your Honor, I don't think there was an attack on a family member,” Lauro said. “What it was was an indication that there might be political bias in light of Mr. Smith, and certainly a First Amendment exercise of speech would allow a criminal defendant to observe that a prosecution is politically biased.”
On Friday, a federal judge who is not involved in any of the Trump cases gave a television interview in which he criticized Trump’s rhetoric — an unusual step, as sitting judges typically refrain from commenting on pending cases.
“It’s very disconcerting to have someone making comments about a judge,” U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton told CNN. “And it’s particularly problematic when those comments are in the form of a threat, especially if they’re directed at one’s family.”
He added: “It is an attack on the rule of law when judges are threatened, and particularly when their family is threatened.”
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 2, 2024 12:59:29 GMT -5
When Trump has lost the likes of Cad, Ferris, Bull Frog and many other former GOP, he's lost all moderates and independents, and hasn't added any new voters since the last time he lost.
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Post by whitebacon on Apr 2, 2024 13:07:40 GMT -5
You cant put a single reason together in a coherent sentence that wasnt C&P'd from some website why you think Trump is a danger. He wasnt a danger the last time unless you were part of the swamp. All you have is the propaganda to guide your thinking. Trump made horrible environmental decisions and only a few good ones. trump in office has encourage all the racists, white supremacists, misogynists, homophobes, bigots etc. and that is a fact. trump foreign policy is a disgrace that is why china and russia are trying their damnedest to get him elected, his hate for nato is an issue. His appointment of activist judges that go against precedent is an issue as the majority of the country is for abortion. and a million other things most folks can't seem to fathom.
trump is a horrible person, a cheat, a liar and a person with no character and as a role model he sucks. People that would vote for this man are doing it for ignorant and selfish reasons and are pretty much fucking clueless.
I will, for the sake of argument, grant you that everything you say is true. Explain to me how 80 million American voters all became stupid. Twice.
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Post by whitebacon on Apr 2, 2024 13:13:02 GMT -5
When Trump has lost the likes of Cad, Ferris, Bull Frog and many other former GOP, he's lost all moderates and independents, and hasn't added any new voters since the last time he lost. The good news is pedophile senile Joe still has his retard sneakers. He can actually sorta walk. The country is in good hands. I'm guessing the graft in Washington is approaching trillions. And you lead the prom cheer. Shameful.
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Post by cyclist on Apr 2, 2024 13:56:36 GMT -5
Trump made horrible environmental decisions and only a few good ones. trump in office has encourage all the racists, white supremacists, misogynists, homophobes, bigots etc. and that is a fact. trump foreign policy is a disgrace that is why china and russia are trying their damnedest to get him elected, his hate for nato is an issue. His appointment of activist judges that go against precedent is an issue as the majority of the country is for abortion. and a million other things most folks can't seem to fathom.
trump is a horrible person, a cheat, a liar and a person with no character and as a role model he sucks. People that would vote for this man are doing it for ignorant and selfish reasons and are pretty much fucking clueless.
I will, for the sake of argument, grant you that everything you say is true. Explain to me how 80 million American voters all became stupid. Twice. The vast majority are christers that will vote abortion, then many are cult members, many are wealthy and like trumps tax relief, and some are just inexplicably dumb. The gawd, glory and guns crowd of course, and those who get their information from dubious sources.
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Post by cadman on Apr 2, 2024 14:47:16 GMT -5
Trump made horrible environmental decisions and only a few good ones. trump in office has encourage all the racists, white supremacists, misogynists, homophobes, bigots etc. and that is a fact. trump foreign policy is a disgrace that is why china and russia are trying their damnedest to get him elected, his hate for nato is an issue. His appointment of activist judges that go against precedent is an issue as the majority of the country is for abortion. and a million other things most folks can't seem to fathom.
trump is a horrible person, a cheat, a liar and a person with no character and as a role model he sucks. People that would vote for this man are doing it for ignorant and selfish reasons and are pretty much fucking clueless.
I will, for the sake of argument, grant you that everything you say is true. Explain to me how 80 million American voters all became stupid. Twice. Same reason many on here will vote for Trump. Biden is a horrible President. They see it as, Trump is a horrible choice, but he's better than the other horrible choice. I just refuse to play the "choose the least horrible person to be President" game any longer. Others will still play. I think the same is true for many Biden voters. While Biden sucks, they think Trump sucks worse. I'd like to be proud of my vote, which is why I can not vote for either of them.
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Post by meateater on Apr 2, 2024 14:56:41 GMT -5
When Trump has lost the likes of Cad, Ferris, Bull Frog and many other former GOP, he's lost all moderates and independents, and hasn't added any new voters since the last time he lost. its gonna be close, no matter how much you think either way its coming down to 10 or 20 thousand votes in each state, 4 or 5 of them.
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 2, 2024 14:59:56 GMT -5
When Trump has lost the likes of Cad, Ferris, Bull Frog and many other former GOP, he's lost all moderates and independents, and hasn't added any new voters since the last time he lost. its gonna be close, no matter how much you think either way its coming down to 10 or 20 thousand votes in each state, 4 or 5 of them. Personally I think the abortion issue, and America just being tired of Trump's bullshit is going to make it a landslide. I just don't see which voters Trump has added to his camp. I see this as an enema year, towards the great reset of 2028. Just one man's opinion.
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Post by cadman on Apr 2, 2024 15:05:04 GMT -5
When Trump has lost the likes of Cad, Ferris, Bull Frog and many other former GOP, he's lost all moderates and independents, and hasn't added any new voters since the last time he lost. its gonna be close, no matter how much you think either way its coming down to 10 or 20 thousand votes in each state, 4 or 5 of them. Right now it is 5 states. Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, and Nevada. Unless biden flips Georgia, Florida, or another Red state, he has to win Pennsylvania or he loses the election. But still a long way off until November.
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Post by whitebacon on Apr 2, 2024 15:07:28 GMT -5
Same reason many on here will vote for Trump. Biden is a horrible President. They see it as, Trump is a horrible choice, but he's better than the other horrible choice. I just refuse to play the "choose the least horrible person to be President" game any longer. Others will still play. I think the same is true for many Biden voters. While Biden sucks, they think Trump sucks worse. I'd like to be proud of my vote, which is why I can not vote for either of them. At least you're honest. Can't disagree.
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 2, 2024 15:07:31 GMT -5
Trump: If we don’t win on November 5th, I think our country is going to cease to exist. It could be the last election we ever have. I actually mean that. If we don’t win, I think this could be the last election we ever have
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Post by meateater on Apr 2, 2024 15:09:27 GMT -5
Same reason many on here will vote for Trump. Biden is a horrible President. They see it as, Trump is a horrible choice, but he's better than the other horrible choice. I just refuse to play the "choose the least horrible person to be President" game any longer. Others will still play. I think the same is true for many Biden voters. While Biden sucks, they think Trump sucks worse. I'd like to be proud of my vote, which is why I can not vote for either of them. bush/gore , bush/kerry , obama/mccain, obama / romney , ive never been proud of my vote, ok maybe bill clinton and bush once but didnt take long to figure out i was wrong. gotta vote otherwise you cant complain. i think trump and biden are both douchebags for different reasons but i give trump a slight edge on policies,border,police,military. he may not really believe in any of them but thats the slight edge thats got my vote at this moment.
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 2, 2024 15:13:08 GMT -5
Same reason many on here will vote for Trump. Biden is a horrible President. They see it as, Trump is a horrible choice, but he's better than the other horrible choice. I just refuse to play the "choose the least horrible person to be President" game any longer. Others will still play. I think the same is true for many Biden voters. While Biden sucks, they think Trump sucks worse. I'd like to be proud of my vote, which is why I can not vote for either of them. bush/gore , bush/kerry , obama/mccain, obama / romney , ive never been proud of my vote, ok maybe bill clinton and bush once but didnt take long to figure out i was wrong. gotta vote otherwise you cant complain. i think trump and biden are both douchebags for different reasons but i give trump a slight edge on policies,border,police,military. he may not really believe in any of them but thats the slight edge thats got my vote at this moment. I ask this respectfully. Can you provide the written text of these policies you speak of? All I've seen is stream of consciousness rants with no basis in plausible reality.
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Post by whitebacon on Apr 2, 2024 15:19:20 GMT -5
Same reason many on here will vote for Trump. Biden is a horrible President. They see it as, Trump is a horrible choice, but he's better than the other horrible choice. I just refuse to play the "choose the least horrible person to be President" game any longer. Others will still play. I think the same is true for many Biden voters. While Biden sucks, they think Trump sucks worse. I'd like to be proud of my vote, which is why I can not vote for either of them. Well you know why I live here.
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Post by meateater on Apr 2, 2024 15:20:40 GMT -5
Trump made horrible environmental decisions and only a few good ones. trump in office has encourage all the racists, white supremacists, misogynists, homophobes, bigots etc. and that is a fact. trump foreign policy is a disgrace that is why china and russia are trying their damnedest to get him elected, his hate for nato is an issue. His appointment of activist judges that go against precedent is an issue as the majority of the country is for abortion. and a million other things most folks can't seem to fathom.
trump is a horrible person, a cheat, a liar and a person with no character and as a role model he sucks. People that would vote for this man are doing it for ignorant and selfish reasons and are pretty much fucking clueless.
I will, for the sake of argument, grant you that everything you say is true. Explain to me how 80 million American voters all became stupid. Twice. well a certain group of people have been voting democrat at 90% or greater for how many years. whats that tell you.
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Post by meateater on Apr 2, 2024 15:22:35 GMT -5
bush/gore , bush/kerry , obama/mccain, obama / romney , ive never been proud of my vote, ok maybe bill clinton and bush once but didnt take long to figure out i was wrong. gotta vote otherwise you cant complain. i think trump and biden are both douchebags for different reasons but i give trump a slight edge on policies,border,police,military. he may not really believe in any of them but thats the slight edge thats got my vote at this moment. I ask this respectfully. Can you provide the written text of these policies you speak of? All I've seen is stream of consciousness rants with no basis in plausible reality. NO, ALL YOU GET IS MY RANTS.
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Post by whitebacon on Apr 2, 2024 15:24:18 GMT -5
well a certain group of people have been voting democrat at 90% or greater for how many years. whats that tell you. That there are all mindless idiots??
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Post by cyclist on Apr 2, 2024 15:31:23 GMT -5
Same reason many on here will vote for Trump. Biden is a horrible President. They see it as, Trump is a horrible choice, but he's better than the other horrible choice. I just refuse to play the "choose the least horrible person to be President" game any longer. Others will still play. I think the same is true for many Biden voters. While Biden sucks, they think Trump sucks worse. I'd like to be proud of my vote, which is why I can not vote for either of them. I will go on the record as stating that I do not and never have thought Biden is a horrible president. Has he been perfect, no...no president ever has been. Horrible, no fucking way Biden is a horrible president.
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Post by meateater on Apr 2, 2024 15:32:21 GMT -5
well a certain group of people have been voting democrat at 90% or greater for how many years. whats that tell you. That there are all mindless idiots?? each side has its followers, just the way it is.
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Post by meateater on Apr 2, 2024 15:36:10 GMT -5
I ask this respectfully. Can you provide the written text of these policies you speak of? All I've seen is stream of consciousness rants with no basis in plausible reality. NO, ALL YOU GET IS MY RANTS. and its conscienceless less not consciousness, for fucks sake. i think
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 2, 2024 15:38:20 GMT -5
NO, ALL YOU GET IS MY RANTS. and its conscienceless less not consciousness, for fucks sake. i think It's for fuck's sake. For fuck's sake!!
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Post by meateater on Apr 2, 2024 15:38:25 GMT -5
Same reason many on here will vote for Trump. Biden is a horrible President. They see it as, Trump is a horrible choice, but he's better than the other horrible choice. I just refuse to play the "choose the least horrible person to be President" game any longer. Others will still play. I think the same is true for many Biden voters. While Biden sucks, they think Trump sucks worse. I'd like to be proud of my vote, which is why I can not vote for either of them. I will go on the record as stating that I do not and never have thought Biden is a horrible president. Has he been perfect, no...no president ever has been. Horrible, no fucking way Biden is a horrible president. bush was horrible, biden just sucks big time. in my opinion.
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Post by conchydong on Apr 2, 2024 15:51:14 GMT -5
and its conscienceless less not consciousness, for fucks sake. i think It's for fuck's sake. For fuck's sake!! Tarp is going to scold you for stepping out of bounds. That is his job.
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 2, 2024 18:52:29 GMT -5
Not buying your arguement. Last I knew, you live in Florida. The legislature in Florida, is like 80-20 Republican without question. The governor, won his last election by like 20 points. A republican. Trump is not a liar, despite what CNN tells you. He's not senile either. I don't like his personality either. But he's a million times better than a career politician who couldn't tell you what day or year it is. I've drank for 40 years and I can get closer guessing the date than the pedophile in charge. Trump lies all the time. He lies about the little things as well as the big things. Barely a day goes by that he doesn't tell a few lies. the man lies about his golf game, his weight, his accomplishments, his net worth, he lies about everything. He is also as senile as Bidne is, both have memory issues and get confused easily. He is no better than Biden. You ain't got to buy the truth, it doesn't change the fact it is the truth. The family of a slain woman in Michigan, Ruby Garcia, blasts Trump, saying he blatantly lied in his speech today about meeting with them: “ He did not speak with any of us, so it was kind of shocking seeing that he had said that he had spoke with us" www.woodtv.com/news/target-8/family-of-woman-found-dead-on-highway-angered-by-trumps-speech/
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Post by cadman on Apr 2, 2024 18:56:17 GMT -5
Same reason many on here will vote for Trump. Biden is a horrible President. They see it as, Trump is a horrible choice, but he's better than the other horrible choice. I just refuse to play the "choose the least horrible person to be President" game any longer. Others will still play. I think the same is true for many Biden voters. While Biden sucks, they think Trump sucks worse. I'd like to be proud of my vote, which is why I can not vote for either of them. bush/gore , bush/kerry , obama/mccain, obama / romney , ive never been proud of my vote, ok maybe bill clinton and bush once but didnt take long to figure out i was wrong. gotta vote otherwise you cant complain. i think trump and biden are both douchebags for different reasons but i give trump a slight edge on policies,border,police,military. he may not really believe in any of them but thats the slight edge thats got my vote at this moment. Oh, I will vote, just not for either one of them.
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Post by whitebacon on Apr 2, 2024 19:05:42 GMT -5
Trump lies all the time. He lies about the little things as well as the big things. Barely a day goes by that he doesn't tell a few lies. the man lies about his golf game, his weight, his accomplishments, his net worth, he lies about everything. He is also as senile as Bidne is, both have memory issues and get confused easily. He is no better than Biden. You ain't got to buy the truth, it doesn't change the fact it is the truth. The family of a slain woman in Michigan, Ruby Garcia, blasts Trump, saying he blatantly lied in his speech today about meeting with them: “ He did not speak with any of us, so it was kind of shocking seeing that he had said that he had spoke with us" www.woodtv.com/news/target-8/family-of-woman-found-dead-on-highway-angered-by-trumps-speech/ Is wood tv a food source? Or a news source ? You idiots throw anything at the wall hoping something sticks. You spend hours and hours on trump. I worry about keeping my pecker hard for the 18 year old. Be a man. A fisherman. Nobody cares if you love Trump. Really. Sincerely. Its past pathetic. It's all you do. Satanic worship. Try fishing.
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 2, 2024 19:19:50 GMT -5
Donald Trump keeps lying that he won the state of Wisconsin in 2020. He did not.
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Post by whitebacon on Apr 2, 2024 19:19:52 GMT -5
Again you post a video pic of Trump. Have some pride donkey Just follow him around and eat his shit. Your love for him is not questioned. This is a fishing website Not a love fest for you and Don.
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Post by cadman on Apr 2, 2024 19:25:30 GMT -5
Is wood tv a food source? Or a news source ? You idiots throw anything at the wall hoping something sticks. You spend hours and hours on trump. I worry about keeping my pecker hard for the 18 year old. Be a man. A fisherman. Nobody cares if you love Trump. Really. Sincerely. Its past pathetic. It's all you do. Satanic worship. Try fishing. Are you aware the Banner you clicked on said POLITICS. The section of the forum where POLITICS are discussed. Where you will find members bashing Trump, Biden, or some other politician. I would recommend, if you don't want to read BT's POLITICAL postings, that you not click the banner that says POLITICS. stay in Off Topic, or Hobbies, or the fishing and hunting sections, but don't click POLITICS and expect anything other than POLITICS here. If you don't want to read BT's political posts, don't click on POLITICS.
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Post by osprey11 on Apr 2, 2024 19:36:02 GMT -5
Cad is going to enable his buddy even if he wishes his fellow Americans dead!
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