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Post by cadman on Sept 4, 2023 9:09:40 GMT -5
Voter fraud is alive and well in America. The Democrats invented it and they are masters of the craft. The Republicans have a long way to catch up.
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Post by walkerdog on Sept 4, 2023 13:11:24 GMT -5
Voter fraud is alive and well in America. The Democrats invented it and they are masters of the craft. The Republicans have a long way to catch up. He’s not exactly wrong. They do it legally, just as the rich that the left calls tax cheats do it legally. They simply get tax codes and voting laws changed to create the advantages they want. Fraud may not be the correct word for it but it’s no more or less fair than a rich person paying $0 in taxes because they take advantage of the tax laws they had created. Two sides of the same coin.
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Sept 4, 2023 15:05:44 GMT -5
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Post by tonyroma on Sept 4, 2023 15:05:44 GMT -5
Voter fraud is alive and well in America. The Democrats invented it and they are masters of the craft. The Republicans have a long way to catch up. He’s not exactly wrong. They do it legally, just as the rich that the left calls tax cheats do it legally. They simply get tax codes and voting laws changed to create the advantages they want. Fraud may not be the correct word for it but it’s no more or less fair than a rich person paying $0 in taxes because they take advantage of the tax laws they had created. Two sides of the same coin. Republicans control a majority of the state legislatures. If you don’t like the voting rules change them.
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Sept 4, 2023 15:18:31 GMT -5
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Post by walkerdog on Sept 4, 2023 15:18:31 GMT -5
They have been and are being changed.
Whether it’s for better or for worse depends on which state and what you want the outcome to be. Some of the most populous states have left leaning legislatures and voting laws will favor them in those states. They hold a lot of electoral votes and they don’t want to lose control of them any more than the legislatures in the right leaning states want to.
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Post by cadman on Sept 4, 2023 15:41:57 GMT -5
They have been and are being changed. Whether it’s for better or for worse depends on which state and what you want the outcome to be. Some of the most populous states have left leaning legislatures and voting laws will favor them in those states. They hold a lot of electoral votes and they don’t want to lose control of them any more than the legislatures in the right leaning states want to. Would you say the goal should be to get every legal voter to vote.
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Sept 4, 2023 16:01:40 GMT -5
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Sept 4, 2023 16:01:40 GMT -5
They have been and are being changed. Whether it’s for better or for worse depends on which state and what you want the outcome to be. Some of the most populous states have left leaning legislatures and voting laws will favor them in those states. They hold a lot of electoral votes and they don’t want to lose control of them any more than the legislatures in the right leaning states want to. Would you say the goal should be to get every legal voter to vote. Yes but not “Chicago Style”. They used to say “vote early and vote often”. They meant that very literally. Every legal voter should vote once on every election.
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Post by tonyroma on Sept 4, 2023 16:30:24 GMT -5
Would you say the goal should be to get every legal voter to vote. Yes but not “Chicago Style”. They used to say “vote early and vote often”. They meant that very literally. Every legal voter should vote once on every election. how bout we make it mandatory. If you are of legal age in Australia and you don’t vote you get fined Election Day is a national holiday. Go vote, then go party. We can get rid of Columbus Day.
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Post by walkerdog on Sept 4, 2023 19:16:56 GMT -5
They have been and are being changed. Whether it’s for better or for worse depends on which state and what you want the outcome to be. Some of the most populous states have left leaning legislatures and voting laws will favor them in those states. They hold a lot of electoral votes and they don’t want to lose control of them any more than the legislatures in the right leaning states want to. Would you say the goal should be to get every legal voter to vote. Not in every case, no I wouldn’t. Sorry. Misread your post. It’s not the legal voters that are the problem. It’s the ability to manipulate the vote that needs to be guarded against. Things like ballot harvesting and people receiving unsolicited mail-in ballots are not good for increasing the transparity of the process. We need to be able to have confidence that the results of the election actually reflect the people’s vote.
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Post by cadman on Sept 4, 2023 21:38:25 GMT -5
Would you say the goal should be to get every legal voter to vote. Not in every case, no I wouldn’t. Sorry. Misread your post. It’s not the legal voters that are the problem. It’s the ability to manipulate the vote that needs to be guarded against. Things like ballot harvesting and people receiving unsolicited mail-in ballots are not good for increasing the transparity of the process. We need to be able to have confidence that the results of the election actually reflect the people’s vote. There are only 8 states that allow automatic mail-in ballots. Election results in those 8 states have not been an issue to my knowledge. All other states require a request be made to receive a ballot. I do agree with your regarding ballot harvesting for the most part with 2 exceptions. if you and your wife voted and you dropped off both ballots to save her the time, technically you were ballot harvesting. I know this is not what your are referring to, but it is an instance where ballot harvesting should be legal. The other case would be for those confined to hospitals or nursing homes and wish to vote. without a designated person to collect ballots from the rooms, these voter would be denied their right to vote. But there has to be a security mechanism to prevent any fraud. Maybe designate certain days like the Friday before election day as the day that designated voting officials with representatives from both parties collect these ballots in lock boxes. But other than that I would agree ballot harvesting needs to be stopped like where a private group hits a neighborhood to collect ballots, the integrity of the election could be questioned. I would point out that until Trump came along, there were no claims of mass voter fraud. He created that lie to avoid having to admit publicly that he lost, especially to Biden. There were claims of voter influence, and interference, but these are not fraudulent votes as Trump claimed occurred. That was pure bullshit from him. There has never been any evidence of mass voter fraud either, in spite of Trump's lies to the contrary. You used the term voter manipulation, which can be anything from lying about an opponent as all candidate do to getting a third party candidate to run to split the vote, or claiming the election is over and voters in certain states don't need to vote. I doubt it is possible to eliminate voter manipulation. You just have to hope voters aren't as dumb as they appear at times.
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Post by biminitwisted on Sept 4, 2023 23:49:25 GMT -5
Goldman Sachs, in a new note:
"We have further reduced our 12-month US recession probability back to 15%, from 20% previously. This change reflects continued encouraging inflation news, a favorable real income outlook, and the decline in the jobs-workers gap…"
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Post by One Man Gang on Sept 5, 2023 6:07:34 GMT -5
Again, some people believe what they read. Others believe what they live....
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Post by luapnor on Oct 14, 2023 10:07:17 GMT -5
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Post by biminitwisted on Oct 14, 2023 13:39:40 GMT -5
Tyler Durden is a pseudonym for a group of editors who collectively write for the financial blog Zero Hedge.Why would one suppose no real person is willing to put their name to this tripe, and post under a collective pseudonym for a radical right blog full of misinformation? It's no wonder you won't post your sources.
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Post by Captj on Oct 14, 2023 15:12:37 GMT -5
They heard it from someone. Must be true.
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Post by cadman on Oct 14, 2023 16:59:13 GMT -5
Actually, if you look at the graph and when the spikes hit, it would appear to be the fault of Congress. The last large spike was due to the fear of a government shutdown because of the House and the current spike is due to no speaker in the House. Without congress being able to pass spending bills, it endangers our ability to meet our obligations.
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