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Post by ogbohica on Nov 27, 2023 20:20:07 GMT -5
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Post by ogbohica on Nov 27, 2023 20:21:01 GMT -5
But they spent 8.8 million in 2018 killing it.... What would mutha duk say
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Post by One Man Gang on Nov 28, 2023 9:07:42 GMT -5
Lol... I guess there is proof in the pudding. Nice work son.
Can you find me what the USFWS spends at LOXNWR killing lygodium and malelueca? I don't think they have much hydrilla left on the refuge at this point, but I do see the spray boats in there from time to time.
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Post by ogbohica on Nov 28, 2023 10:39:36 GMT -5
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Post by meateater on Nov 28, 2023 10:40:35 GMT -5
Lol... I guess there is proof in the pudding. Nice work son. Can you find me what the USFWS spends at LOXNWR killing lygodium and malelueca? I don't think they have much hydrilla left on the refuge at this point, but I do see the spray boats in there from time to time. remember when the bombing range from 75 all the way north to lox was full of malaluca heads, tons of deer, pigs ,small game .ponds loaded with fish during dry times. sad to look out there today at a sawgrass wasteland. i know some folks believe fwc and others are doing a fine job but in reality they are public land hunters and fishermens worst enemy. not the officers but the ones at the top making decisions. seems like nothing is done with sportsmen in mind. unless its more restrictions.
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Post by One Man Gang on Nov 28, 2023 10:56:25 GMT -5
I remember it well, Meat, and I agree with you 100%... a barren wasteland... but I'll add > WITH EVEN GREATER RESTRICTIONS FOR ACCESS THAN AT ANY OTHER TIME IN HUMAN HISTORY.
The only common living thing you see along that levy now is all the fags in tights riding their gay $3000 bicycles and sipping propel from a bottle with a nipple.
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Post by pinman on Nov 28, 2023 11:46:40 GMT -5
Kinda damning that the only specific plant listed is "Hydrilla".....
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Post by JS84 on Nov 28, 2023 12:07:35 GMT -5
You can bet that budget has only increased in the years prior.
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Post by ogbohica on Nov 28, 2023 12:07:46 GMT -5
I remember it well, Meat, and I agree with you 100%... a barren wasteland... but I'll add > WITH EVEN GREATER RESTRICTIONS FOR ACCESS THAN AT ANY OTHER TIME IN HUMAN HISTORY. The only common living thing you see along that levy now is all the fags in tights riding their gay bicycles and sipping propel from a bottle with a nipple. Thats called MYFWCC
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Post by bowhunter4life on Nov 28, 2023 12:23:23 GMT -5
It’s all about money!🤑🤑🤑
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Post by One Man Gang on Nov 28, 2023 12:28:53 GMT -5
We need a few decades of Bobby Brantley...
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Post by walkerdog on Nov 28, 2023 20:28:32 GMT -5
Who supposedly made the claim that the state doesn’t target hydrilla? It gets sprayed by the state all the time. Boaters frequently complain to them about areas that aren’t accessible due to topped out hydrilla and the agencies respond by spraying it.
Interesting to see the treatment cost per acre for the different invasives. Thanks for sharing.
The only invasive I don’t see the state spraying much of is cogon grass. That stuff is all over the state roadways.
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Post by ogbohica on Nov 29, 2023 11:22:30 GMT -5
At just about every meeting ive ever attended FWC has implicitly expressed they only spray hydrilla when necessary for flood control(structures) or (navigation). Somehow or another thousands of acres of un necessary hydrilla is sprayed and killed. They used to be able to say that high water killed the hydrilla, now we all know that has been another lie for many years now.
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Post by One Man Gang on Nov 29, 2023 16:37:27 GMT -5
Last meeting I was at we were told the aquatics spray boats could not transport the mixed chemicals over the road back to their base. So, all those years that guys like Skip (Navigator) and others said they watched the spray boats dump their poison randomly in the water were telling the truth.
I guess you can legally transport thousands of gallons of fuel and other chemicals over the road for hundreds of miles (if licensed) but you'll do jail time if you try to carry a couple hundred gallons of excess Aquathol-K over the levy if it's already mixed.
So there you have it. You're charged to spray 1500 acres in area A, and you're watched through gps monitoring to make damn sure you don't stray, but after you've sprayed your area you have to dump the leftover chems because you cannot transport it over the levy... fucking ridiculous. Not only killing some weeds, but also everything else...
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Post by cracker4112 on Nov 29, 2023 17:01:09 GMT -5
Not only that Mak but I’ve personally watch the spray boats clean out their chemical tanks with lake water at the end of the day. The last time I watch one do it was on the outside of the reef. I watched him spraying down the edge (where there was nothing alive to spray)then rinsing out the tank with lake water when he was finished. It’s such bullshit.
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Post by ogbohica on Nov 29, 2023 17:06:29 GMT -5
You guys have it all wrong... THEY always told us this practice never happens and we had great imaginations. Ha total BOHICA
They sprayed a trail on okeechobee coming from Harney to Moonshine to make it wider? For what Fking reason?
This use it or loose it mentality at FWC is Horse shit
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Post by cortr on Nov 30, 2023 7:55:02 GMT -5
If they keep spraying Lake O as in the past, there will no hard bottom for fish to spawn. After spraying, all the vegetation dies and creates a muck on the bottom that is impossible for fish to make beds. Last year, spawning was restricted to two main area, one one the north end, and the other the other around South Bay. The important resource to Florida is being destroyed by overzealous aquatic plant management. If something is not done, this body of water will become another casualty of poor management. The high water levels are doing enough damage, and the spraying is only making the problem worse. Wake up SFWMD before it is too late. It as if the purpose of water managers is to make Lake O a storage reservoir for Big Sugar, rather than maximizing the recreational value.
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Post by One Man Gang on Nov 30, 2023 8:06:51 GMT -5
I feel the only TRUE interest in Lake O at this point is water storage for a growing population.
They don't care as much about quality as they do about quantity. Plants take up much needed volume in the water column and restrict the ability to move water efficiently and effectively. Even the STAs have never once met their Federally mandated goals to reduce P to desired levels and seem more about storage than filtering. Time will tell how they will evolve and what forms of legislative bastardization will be snuck in away from public view to help facilitate the "new" goals.
When you add the interference from the NPS, which does not allow water discharges, that were once a natural occurrence through hydrological percolation, and a never ending onslaught of aquatic spraying you get what we have today; a mucky, turbid toilet bowl that drastically needs to be flushed. IMHO
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Post by One Man Gang on Nov 30, 2023 8:20:15 GMT -5
Lake O is the new Lake Apopka.
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Post by ogbohica on Nov 30, 2023 8:37:05 GMT -5
Yup, he who owns the water will be king in S fl.... why have they added height to all the impoundment dikes? Why have they shored up lake O dike so it can retain higher water.
Someone who is good with computer can go to google earth and do a time lapse on lake O and see just how much SAV and marsh has been reduced over the yrs.
Area 3 North and South will become another cattail swamp just as the STA's are now.
Very sad state of affairs, get what you can get out of them now times running out fast
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Post by cyclist on Nov 30, 2023 8:38:24 GMT -5
If they keep spraying Lake O as in the past, there will no hard bottom for fish to spawn. After spraying, all the vegetation dies and creates a muck on the bottom that is impossible for fish to make beds. Last year, spawning was restricted to two main area, one one the north end, and the other the other around South Bay. The important resource to Florida is being destroyed by overzealous aquatic plant management. If something is not done, this body of water will become another casualty of poor management. The high water levels are doing enough damage, and the spraying is only making the problem worse. Wake up SFWMD before it is too late. It as if the purpose of water managers is to make Lake O a storage reservoir for Big Sugar, rather than maximizing the recreational value. The damming is the main reason for muck. Not allowed to flood or dry down.
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Post by ogbohica on Nov 30, 2023 9:50:32 GMT -5
The muck started when they stopped allowing the drag nets many yrs ago.Another ACOE blunder
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Post by richm on Nov 30, 2023 13:51:59 GMT -5
I always understood that the muck was created by dead vegetation - organics. Kinda like the topsoil you find in gutters.
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Post by ogbohica on Nov 30, 2023 14:02:43 GMT -5
NATURAL eutrophication IS ONE THING, sorry about caps.. but sediment running in from the North is not.The old cat fishermen kept the lake clean and water always went down the Caloosahatchee. Since DEP and ACOE banned drag nets nobody but the occasional storm shakes up the bottom. Now ADD SFWM and FWCC desires to spray poison everywhere and the cocktail recipe isnt rocket science.
ZERO accountability. Next time plant a phycological seed in a person's head who makes these decisions and let them know the legacy they are leaving behind. For some, they couldn't take it anymore and left, they did the right thing.
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Post by sgp on Nov 30, 2023 14:40:44 GMT -5
Last Wednesday I was at my lease bordering Harney Pond Canal several miles north of Lakeport, and there was an airboat spraying the canal all day. There is zero submerged vegetation in the canal, and it is currently completely devoid of hyacinths and water lettuce. They sprayed all day anyways, and just hosed down the canal banks 10 or 15 feet up from the water edge.
It sure seems like they have a contract to spray a fixed amount of poison on a fixed schedule, so they spray poison in and around the water even if there is no water vegetation left to spray.
The whole spray program really needs to be stopped, and reevaluated. The water weed spraying is probably what is really killing the southern half of the state, including all the grass in Florida Bay and the Keys reef, yet you only ever hear about the sugar farmers. Farmers use as little chemical as possible because it is expensive and takes straight from their profits, while the spray program seems to be paid to waste chemicals even if unnecessary.
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Post by bowhunter4life on Nov 30, 2023 15:40:58 GMT -5
Last Wednesday I was at my lease bordering Harney Pond Canal several miles north of Lakeport, and there was an airboat spraying the canal all day. There is zero submerged vegetation in the canal, and it is currently completely devoid of hyacinths and water lettuce. They sprayed all day anyways, and just hosed down the canal banks 10 or 15 feet up from the water edge. It sure seems like they have a contract to spray a fixed amount of poison on a fixed schedule, so they spray poison in and around the water even if there is no water vegetation left to spray. The whole spray program really needs to be stopped, and reevaluated. The water weed spraying is probably what is really killing the southern half of the state, including all the grass in Florida Bay and the Keys reef, yet you only ever hear about the sugar farmers. Farmers use as little chemical as possible because it is expensive and takes straight from their profits, while the spray program seems to be paid to waste chemicals even if unnecessary. This is what I have witnessed many times. They spray everything! Vegetation, banks of canals, open water, ditches on the side of the road etc…. They must get paid to empty their tanks everyday…. It’s all about big money contracts!🤑
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