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Post by bswiv on Nov 5, 2023 20:08:43 GMT -5
Had a odd idea, a idea aimed at getting the guys in the club to shoot a few more hogs.
So.........anyone have any experience with a hunt club buying a suppressor with it being for the use of the club members....only on the club....??
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Post by johnnybandit on Nov 5, 2023 20:56:47 GMT -5
I am not an expert.... But to own a suppressor, it requires a Federal Title III Doc Stamp, etc....
IT is quite involved... I looked into buying a full auto at one time.... Which is Title II and it is a bit complicated...
It can be done... I know someone here on this forum hat legally owns a Title III suppressor..... It is far from impossible. It just takes paperwork etc.
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Post by james243 on Nov 5, 2023 20:57:01 GMT -5
Probably should ask someone in the business of selling them. As far as I know to be in possession of one it needs to be registered in the person’s name or the person must be part of a trust that the suppressor is registered to. If a person is in neither of these situations they must be with a person is, to use the suppressor. Might be easier to get a long barreled 22 and use standard velocity ammo, won’t make much noise or cost much.
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Post by james243 on Nov 5, 2023 21:09:02 GMT -5
What’s the reason they don’t shoot hogs? Afraid of spooking deer at their stand location I would guess. If I was serious about the hunt I wouldn’t be shooting a hog, even 22 suppressed, in my deer stand. Likely to be too much of a disturbance even in a well used baited spot.
Other than that situation I would darn near require that they have a 22 ready to go if they are more than 200 yards from their stand. I don’t think having a suppressor for shared use would change much about how many hogs are shot. They are most likely going to be on the run after the first shot. What you need are dedicated shooters.
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Post by One Man Gang on Nov 5, 2023 21:51:32 GMT -5
I highly doubt it is legal to "loan" out.
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Post by richm on Nov 6, 2023 5:37:14 GMT -5
You can form a group application, folks do it so wife and kids can use supressor.
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Post by Crkr 23 on Nov 6, 2023 8:11:13 GMT -5
I'm guessing that part of the reason you want the hogs gone is to protect your pine trees. If that was my ultimate goal I would would use Hog-Gone(sodium nitrate) to control the number.
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Post by Crkr 23 on Nov 6, 2023 8:13:17 GMT -5
Excuse me, sodium nitrite.
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Post by pinman on Nov 6, 2023 9:58:22 GMT -5
You may be better off to consult Bullfrog about a kick-ass air gun....
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Post by meateater on Nov 6, 2023 11:24:44 GMT -5
100 % sure the owner of the suppressor needs to be standing there with the paperwork in hand, i have one on a 300 blackout and was told never loan the gun to anyone and never not have the paperwork on you. i keep laminated copy in the case and my wallet and also saved on my phone and copies in my safe.
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Post by wayvis on Nov 6, 2023 14:23:11 GMT -5
Is there a reason you don't want to trap them? Trapping is the most effective way to put a dent in their population. The other thing you might thank about is having some hog hunts at night.
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Post by bswiv on Nov 7, 2023 6:33:24 GMT -5
Took down all our traps last year because there was no way to trap a hog with the bear population we have.
Yes......we use the dogs. But....out of respect and care for the guys who lease the land to hunt on we do not run them during hunting season, except with rare exception. This leaves a whole lot of time for the hogs to do their multiplying thing. Especially as as we are adjacent to 6000 acres of WMD land.
My thought was to buy the thing and offer its use, along with possibly some sort light setup, to some of the members as a way to induce a little shooting at night.
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Post by One Man Gang on Nov 7, 2023 6:39:40 GMT -5
100 % sure the owner of the suppressor needs to be standing there with the paperwork in hand, i have one on a 300 blackout and was told never loan the gun to anyone and never not have the paperwork on you. i keep laminated copy in the case and my wallet and also saved on my phone and copies in my safe. This ^^ |
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Post by bswiv on Nov 7, 2023 7:39:24 GMT -5
100 % sure the owner of the suppressor needs to be standing there with the paperwork in hand, i have one on a 300 blackout and was told never loan the gun to anyone and never not have the paperwork on you. i keep laminated copy in the case and my wallet and also saved on my phone and copies in my safe. This ^^ Sad. We are so backward about this sort of thing in the US. |
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Post by One Man Gang on Nov 7, 2023 7:58:16 GMT -5
It it is sad.
My nephew has a couple on SBRs. You need a tax stamp for every single suppressor you own, and the corresponding stamp must be on you while handling and transporting the firearm.
If someone else is shooting it, the owner of the tax stamp must be present. Any LEO can ask to see the stamp when you are shooting or transporting it.
I looked into it a few yrs ago and dismissed the notion.
My buddy used to trap hogs by the dozens for fwc. A good trap takes some time, patience, so you're right about the bears being a major nuisance in a good trapping plan. Not sure how you can circumvent them.
We started shooting them at night with night vision and thermals locally with good success until the landowner shut down the hunting last year. We still shoot a few on occasion on a different property but we hardly go there anymore due to time constraints.
I will check with my buddy about trapping around bears and get back to you.
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Post by bullfrog on Nov 7, 2023 10:38:41 GMT -5
You can create a trust and register the suppressor to the trust so that everyone in the trust can possess the suppressor. I don’t keep up with the law on suppressors. There have been changes to the process recently.
This is why I use the airguns. They can be suppressed without Federal approval. Firing a properly suppressed airgun sounds like a click for the smaller caliber guns and a limb snap for the larger guns.
I am considering getting a firearm suppressor, but I don’t really want it for hunting. I’d like to have one for home defense.
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Post by jrl2 on Nov 7, 2023 11:34:06 GMT -5
I have a suppressor on a dedicated hog/home defense rifle. I have a trust set up, and anyone in the trust can use it. I keep the paperwork in the grip handle. I don't see why you couldn't do the same for members of the club. I will say it takes several months to get the paperwork processed, and everyone on the trust has to get fingerprinted and background checked. I have heard it is quicker now that it is all electronic, but still a pain. It is definitely quieter, but I have the suppressor on an AR rifle, and the action noise will still be enough to scare hogs.
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Post by cracker4112 on Nov 7, 2023 11:44:58 GMT -5
My father has a suppressor on a 300 BO in bolt action. If you get a breeze in your face and with 100 yds, you can kill multiple pigs without spoiling them from the sound of the shot. I’ve done it. They may run a few feet when their buddy goes to kicking but they usually settle right down. It’s a good tool for the job.
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Post by jrl2 on Nov 7, 2023 12:54:01 GMT -5
I agree, a suppressor on a bolt action would be a better set up. Particularly if you go 300 BO subsonic with the suppressor.
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Post by wayvis on Nov 7, 2023 15:32:54 GMT -5
Took down all our traps last year because there was no way to trap a hog with the bear population we have. Yes......we use the dogs. But....out of respect and care for the guys who lease the land to hunt on we do not run them during hunting season, except with rare exception. This leaves a whole lot of time for the hogs to do their multiplying thing. Especially as as we are adjacent to 6000 acres of WMD land. My thought was to buy the thing and offer its use, along with possibly some sort light setup, to some of the members as a way to induce a little shooting at night. If WMD is not controlling them on their land, then you will never have much success controlling them on yours. They will keep coming. Sometimes if you shot a few they will leave for a while, but as you know the process will start all over. Hunting at night with a 22 or crossbow my help, but you have to have members or friends willing to hunt them. My experience is that most deer hunters don't want to invest the time it takes to control hogs. |
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Post by osprey11 on Nov 7, 2023 17:08:42 GMT -5
You can do what you want. You would need to do a trust instead of an individual. All it takes is a tax stamp $200. Now every individual will have to apply at this time. All must pass a Federal background test. Once this is completed. It will take longer because of the additional background checks, fingerprints, and pictures. There are alot of kiosks available to do this conveniently. Once done any on the trust may use the suppresor. Also if done as an individual it cannot be passed on, only turned in. I have no idea if trusts can be altered after purchase. But this would be your option.
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Post by 4ward on Nov 7, 2023 17:12:14 GMT -5
It ain’t called Hog Valley for nothin.
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Post by 4ward on Nov 7, 2023 17:49:27 GMT -5
Maybe invite the swat team out, Night shooting practice from 9-3?
The paperwork sounds like a big headache.
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Post by JS84 on Nov 9, 2023 13:23:22 GMT -5
The paperwork is pretty simple and completely worth it. I have multiple suppressors and SBRs in a variety of calibers. I also have an adapter so I can toss one of them on my 6.5 Weatherby. All fun to shoot and none require ear protection when shooting subsonic rounds.
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Post by meateater on Nov 9, 2023 13:41:47 GMT -5
The paperwork is pretty simple and completely worth it. I have multiple suppressors and SBRs in a variety of calibers. I also have an adapter so I can toss one of them on my 6.5 Weatherby. All fun to shoot and none require ear protection when shooting subsonic rounds. agreed , i did everything at a local gun shop here in fort lauderdale. |
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Post by bullfrog on Nov 9, 2023 15:02:09 GMT -5
The paperwork is pretty simple and completely worth it. I have multiple suppressors and SBRs in a variety of calibers. I also have an adapter so I can toss one of them on my 6.5 Weatherby. All fun to shoot and none require ear protection when shooting subsonic rounds. What sort of adapter? |
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Post by JS84 on Nov 9, 2023 16:29:48 GMT -5
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Post by bullfrog on Nov 14, 2023 14:22:50 GMT -5
My favorite gun for potentially using a suppressor doesn’t have a threaded barrel and I don’t trust a gunsmith to touch the crown of that gun. I have heard of people using slip on adapters, but I’ve generally also heard that’s a bad idea. I do have a 16” .308 AR that might benefit from a suppressor. It shoots well, but that short barrel gives it a terrible recoil. And when I’ve used a muzzle break, it funnels the energy of the discharge back into my chest. It may handle much better with a large suppressor. |
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Post by fsu11 on Nov 14, 2023 14:22:55 GMT -5
Some good some bad information here, I own one and am local to Jax i'd suggest going to see Preston at Recon Rifleworks in Orange Park he will walk you through everything. You will need a trust with everyone on it that wants to use it, personally there is no way I would get one and put "strangers" ( i know club members but still...) on a trust with me for a Form 4 suppressor. Everyone has to do fingerprints and have background checks completed, $200 tax stamp plus price of suppressor $600-1200 plus mounting devices on firearms. Average wait has been 240 days some less some more, ive seen them approved in a week ive seen them approved in 400 days there is no rhyme or reason to the madness and the ONLY way to get one expedited approval is if you are military and get PCS orders, anyone that tells you otherwise is a liar.
5.56 suppressed sounds like a .22
300 black out is your quietest option besides a .22 especially with subsonics.
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