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Post by meateater on Aug 28, 2023 10:05:17 GMT -5
whats your time limit on finding a deer after you have shot it in 87 plus degree heat and still consider it being good to eat. at what point are you just searching for the rack.
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Post by tampaspicer on Aug 28, 2023 10:17:57 GMT -5
4 hours
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Post by One Man Gang on Aug 28, 2023 11:04:52 GMT -5
Case by case basis for me, Meat. That deer may have been alive all along and being bumped as you searched for it. Of course if I suspect it has been spoiling away in the heat for a few hours, I'm giving up on it.
If anything I kill doesn't pass the sniff and visual tests, I leave it. That goes for everything, even a neck shot doe that drops in its tracks. Emaciated... leave it. Smells like dog shit without it being gut shot... leave it. Smells like dog shit when I open it up... discard it.
Hell, I don't even cut off the rack most times from any deer I kill anymore. I do have a few 8 points scattered around the yard for the dogs to play with though. Racks are for googans to brag about... just not my thing. I'd rather open my freezer if I wanted to brag to someone.
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Post by Crkr 23 on Aug 28, 2023 11:07:16 GMT -5
We shot a nice buck one afternoon and did not recover it until around 1pm the next day and it was fine. We were a little apprehensive because of the hot weather, but took a small piece and put it in a hot skillet and it tasted fine. On another hunt in Illinois, we shot a buck and recovered it the next morning and everything on the inside of the hams was soured. This occured with the temperature in the high 40's. I guess you just need to use your nose and check case by case.
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Post by richm on Aug 28, 2023 11:46:27 GMT -5
Yup - case by case basis.
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Post by joekat46 on Aug 28, 2023 13:33:35 GMT -5
Always glad to see these opinions for hunting in this heat. More power to those that do it. In my up north days we often recovered deer the next morning after an evening bow hunt that were fine. Coyotes more of a problem than heat.
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Post by swampdog on Aug 28, 2023 16:53:49 GMT -5
My lifetime of hunting has dictated this. With a gun, if I know the shot placement was good, I’ll follow up 15 minutes going very slowly. If I have help, one of us tracks and one is ready for a quick shot if needed. With a bow same thing I don’t mind slow hunting a hit critter to recover it. If I make a poor shot (gut shot) I definitely give it a couple of hours if the weather is cool. Hot weather I try to recover as quickly as possible. I try to take shots within my wheelhouse, and no long shots. I’m a hunter and not a long range tactical sniper. If you like long range go for it, it’s just not where I am at this stage of the pursuit. In this heat if we wait too long, the meat will spoil for sure. Have fun out there folks.
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Post by tngladesman on Aug 29, 2023 6:34:11 GMT -5
the old glades hunters would ride around for half a day with gutted dead deer stacked on the deck of their buggies.when i was working the check station out there i even saw a few brought in ungutted that were stiff as roadkill. guys would tell me thats the way they always did it and the meat was always fine. an ungutted deer laying on an aluminum deck with a 500 caddy engine under it grinding all day in 80 degree temps doesn't sound too appealing to me.there was a Palm Beach guy that hunted Dinner Island a lot, i believe him name was Bob. Loved to kill hogs. he would leave em ungutted all day long. said it pulled the stink out of em....
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Post by meateater on Aug 29, 2023 9:57:50 GMT -5
guess everyone is different, 35 years ago i would drive around the glades most of the day with the deer on back of the 3 wheeler making sure everyone seen it, today i go the total opposite and try to get it gutted asap, within minutes of finding the deer im gutting it , quartering it up and getting it in the cooler as fast as possible. nothing matters more to me these days then taking care of the meat. yea cold weather its another story but 5,6,7 or 8 hours in 90 degree heat cant be good for anything.
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Post by cyclist on Aug 29, 2023 10:56:20 GMT -5
guess everyone is different, 35 years ago i would drive around the glades most of the day with the deer on back of the 3 wheeler making sure everyone seen it, today i go the total opposite and try to get it gutted asap, within minutes of finding the deer im gutting it , quartering it up and getting it in the cooler as fast as possible. nothing matters more to me these days then taking care of the meat. yea cold weather its another story but 5,6,7 or 8 hours in 90 degree heat cant be good for anything. Love it meateater...never understood those who spend countless hours and $$$ to get a prime animal and then treat it like shit. And you know there is a taste difference. Check out this site. honest-food.net/
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Post by JS84 on Aug 29, 2023 15:38:10 GMT -5
Funny, I follow Hank but didn't know about his site. Thank you for sharing Peter
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Post by cyclist on Aug 29, 2023 16:21:26 GMT -5
Funny, I follow Hank but didn't know about his site. Thank you for sharing Peter He's good. I've done his picnic ham 2x and it turned out great. And a macceoto? But it was dry...my fault.
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Post by bullfrog on Sept 1, 2023 16:04:32 GMT -5
I just check the animal. If it looks fine and smells fine, I recover the meat. No set time limit.
Worst case scenario, dogs gotta eat too. In fact I’d rather give a smelly old buck to the dogs or make heavily cured jerky out of him anyhow. Does and young bucks are where its at for eating.
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Post by 4ward on Sept 1, 2023 18:59:42 GMT -5
I just check the animal. If it looks fine and smells fine, I recover the meat. No set time limit. Worst case scenario, dogs gotta eat too. In fact I’d rather give a smelly old buck to the dogs or make heavily cured jerky out of him anyhow. Does and young bucks are where its at for eating. Another smell checker here. Younger days got spent driving a deer around to show it off, all day. I think it’s funny now. Sure didn’t kill any of us though.
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Post by One Man Gang on Sept 1, 2023 19:37:14 GMT -5
Ah yes, the days of showing off...
Once upon a time when I was a younger lad, traveling the world and killing swordfish and tunas for the bourgeoisie among you to dine on, we took refuge from a blistering set of North Atlantic storms in a little French protectorate called Saint Pierre. As it so happened, this was during the month of September which coincided with their deer season. Now mind you, to my knowledge there was no hunting on Saint Pierre itself but there must have been some outstanding hunting on its neighboring island, Miquelon.
I can vividly remember staggering out one morning from the Hotel Robert after a night of twisting up the sheets with a hot Newfie gal who thought I would make good teddy bear, and seeing a landing craft of sorts arrive with about 200 hunters, their deer, and their tiny vehicles. Those Frenchmen were strutting around, proud as a peacock with their deer draped over their hoods for the better part of the day looking like what might resemble a little Hyundai today. Those chaps even dressed the part of a Michigan or Maine deer camp, wearing red plaids and funny hats.
That sight went on for about two days and I'm pretty sure I saw the same deer on some of those little cars during that period. That being said, the mornings up there at the time were about 40°F, so it wasn't like they were dealing with 95° like here in FL, but still... nobody here can beat a Frenchman showing off his deer, IMHO.
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Post by swampdog on Sept 2, 2023 11:48:55 GMT -5
Never cared for showing off my kills. Cared about turning it into dinner or freezing for later. Never cared for trophies or awards and still don’t to this day. A game mount is more a room decoration and something that triggers great memories.
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Post by micciman on Sept 7, 2023 19:29:12 GMT -5
Case by case basis for me, Meat. That deer may have been alive all along and being bumped as you searched for it. Of course if I suspect it has been spoiling away in the heat for a few hours, I'm giving up on it. If anything I kill doesn't pass the sniff and visual tests, I leave it. That goes for everything, even a neck shot doe that drops in its tracks. Emaciated... leave it. Smells like dog shit without it being gut shot... leave it. Smells like dog shit when I open it up... discard it. Hell, I don't even cut off the rack most times from any deer I kill anymore. I do have a few 8 points scattered around the yard for the dogs to play with though. Racks are for googans to brag about... just not my thing. I'd rather open my freezer if I wanted to brag to someone.
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Post by micciman on Sept 7, 2023 19:34:02 GMT -5
Sounds like you let a lot of deer go to waist. Learn to not let them get away. Doe drops in her tracks is bad?? C'mon man.
Brag on your meat in the freezer and let those that like antlers brag on them.
Don't recognize your screen name from FS but see you have "senior" status on a short lived forum. You must like to talk/type.
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Post by One Man Gang on Sept 8, 2023 5:21:31 GMT -5
Sounds like you let a lot of deer go to waist. Learn to not let them get away. Doe drops in her tracks is bad?? C'mon man. Brag on your meat in the freezer and let those that like antlers brag on them. Don't recognize your screen name from FS but see you have "senior" status on a short lived forum. You must like to talk/type. Don't be a douche. A doe that drops in her tracks and she appears to be sick or on bad health, you eat her. I won't. Don't be an asshole who assumes to know everything, because trust me you know nothing about me. I was on the forum before and your lack of ability to put two and two together makes you assume too much and flap your lips. I have always respected your input in deer hunting, even though you are a among the braggards when you do kill one, but you're way off base this time. Now you're just another whining horn hunter with no experience hunting the glades,so go ahead and spout off that which you know nothing about.
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Post by swampdog on Sept 8, 2023 8:37:59 GMT -5
Over the years I’ve seen several deer that were shot and left because they were in very poor condition. Today we try to alert a biologist if we observe a sickly deer. I’ve also seen rabbits, squirrels and a turkey that got left because they were clearly sick. Heck I’ve taken meat back to the store that didn’t pass the sniff test.
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Post by meateater on Sept 8, 2023 8:54:15 GMT -5
i was skinning a hog at kicco few years ago that had a softball size lump on its back ham near the top, when i pressed knife against the lump maggots and puss oozed out , i just cut off that ham and kept the rest. just kidding left everything right there. only had 1 deer in over 40 years that i left in the field it was a skinny doe that had puss in its eyes, 2 hooves rotting , 1000 ticks and really stunk bad . felt bad about it but that thing was gross.
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Post by micciman on Sept 20, 2023 19:30:39 GMT -5
I won't stoop to your level fella with all of the big stupid talk. Just basing my opinion on what you posted.
Have a great season and hope you don't lose many or waist any.
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Post by micciman on Sept 20, 2023 19:33:40 GMT -5
One last thing, you must have a diseased population in the "glades" with all of the rotten/sick deer you mention. In 40 years of hunting I have never killed one that was bad unless I didn't find it within time before spoiling and that is very few.
Again good luck
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Post by One Man Gang on Sept 21, 2023 8:46:01 GMT -5
I've only left one deer lay that looked sick that I have killed, Mr. Assumptions, and that was in SC. I won't mention the forthcoming CWD herd up by your area, but I don't think I would knowingly eat one that I suspected having that disease either.
I trust MY meat inspections more than the USDA.
Your ignorance is glaring, but good luck to you as well this season. Don't corn 'em too heavy.
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Post by micciman on Sept 26, 2023 15:59:20 GMT -5
What was your screen name on FS?
Haven't done too much bragging at all really, haven't killed a deer by choice in 3-4 years and didn't brag on that one.
CWD heard and 3+ hrs from me?? OK. You must know of more that the one deer that was confirmed. If not, I'd say you are assuming. We all know where that gets us.
I may not be the sharpest person but far from ignorant. Your mouth proves you to be pretty smart though.
By the way, I've got several generations of family from the "glades". Immokalee to be exact.
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Post by anumber1 on Sept 26, 2023 20:12:27 GMT -5
Oneof our group killed a sickly 8pt in front of the dogs several years back. Dogs caught it, prolly didn't weigh 50lbs, and looked really bad. No visable injuries, landowner has been in state program for years so jawbone and kidneys were sent in along with weight.
Never heard anything back about serious disease, so..
No one in our group wanted the meat.
Western citrus county
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Post by bullfrog on Sept 26, 2023 23:04:53 GMT -5
I’ve only ever left boar hogs I didn’t feel like putting forth the effort in cleaning in case they had the taint. I never shot a deer that seemed unhealthy on the ground.
I did regularly see a buck one season that had a bunch of stab wounds from fighting. He had lumps all over his body and limped bad. Nice buck, but one point under club rules. I watched him heal has he visited a feeder every evening and filled up on corn. He was gnarly enough that had he been a club-legal buck, I might have shot him for the antlers and left the rest. But I was a lot younger then and hunting for pleasure. Now I mostly hunt for meat, and any enjoyment I get is secondary.
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Post by cyclist on Sept 27, 2023 11:25:39 GMT -5
I guess the panhandle has to deal with chronic wasting in deer now. Probably the rest of the state in the future. Keep and eye out. myfwc.com/research/wildlife/health/white-tail-deer/cwd/CWD Detected in Florida The FWC has confirmed that a road-killed 4.5-year-old female white-tailed deer in Holmes County sampled during routine surveillance activities has tested positive for CWD. Learn more
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Post by james14 on Oct 5, 2023 20:59:18 GMT -5
It takes much longer than most assume for one to go bad.
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