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Post by cyclist on Aug 21, 2023 16:57:23 GMT -5
Yes it does....first thing no subject is black and white. But certain things really are true.
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Post by bullfrog on Aug 21, 2023 20:35:59 GMT -5
Interesting the way some of us are trending on here. I have dear friends on the left that mirror me and my friends on the right. They love their firearms, justice, freedom and like us are closer to the center on the line between the far left and the far right. Long story short we have more in common than not. Whatever happens with the next election, the “great middle” I hope will stand tall. It would be nice...but how do you align with people who just do no not understand whats fact and whats fiction? My 2 cents on answering that question. 1. Understand that every person who has a strong opinion about something probably holds certain assertions to be facts beyond dispute that another person would disagree with and consider to be mere opinions or fictions. You may call something fiction that someone else calls fact, and visa versa. You have to then ask yourself if you are infallible. If not, then you have to factor in your own ability to be wrong about something you perceive to be indisputable fact when judging someone for clinging hard to something you consider to be untrue. 2. With the above in mind, approach the other side like a dispassionate scientist that is trying to figure out why they think like they think. A professor once told me that the way to examine opposing view points is to consider an issue or subject to be a physical cube. The cube is multi-faceted. You should pick up the cube, look at it from all the different sides, and put it back down again. The goal isn't to change your own mind about the issue, but to understand why someone believes something different than yourself. They could be wrong, and there may or may not be logical reasons as to why they believe what they believe. But you'll never really understand the issue itself or the "why" as to the controversy unless dive into understanding the opposition. I've found there are usually reasons why people are sold on their world views. This is especially true of modern conspiracy theories. There may be facts or facets of a theory that are actually true. Where the theory goes off the rails is either by drawing incorrect conclusions from the facts or beginning to presume truth of all asserted facts when only some are proven true. Qanon theory is a good example. Full of crazy conclusions and fake facts that can be easily proven false with a little googling. And yet weave in all the true, weird, facts about the life and death of Jeff Epstein that actually support some of the tenants of Qanon theory. When a little bit of an idea seems to be true, it makes it easier to accept the false parts and accept the overall idea. I've found it's very useful to understand conspiracy theories by finding those true facts that often exist at the root of the lies. Rat poisons are often made up of a large percentage of ingredients that are not harmful to the rat. Things that make it palatable and appealing to eat. The poison is a small percentage of the material. But it's enough to taint the entire thing. So figure that someone opposite of yourself may have reasons that follow a sort of logic as to how they got to where they are.
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Post by biminitwisted on Aug 21, 2023 23:25:25 GMT -5
I think Trump is baiting the DA/judge.
I also think they would be wise not to take the bait, but with comments like this it's going to be hard to justify just sitting on their hands while he continues to taint the jury pool and tampers with potential witnesses.
Well it didn't take long to violate his bond agreement. Thursday should be fun
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Post by luapnor on Aug 22, 2023 6:36:07 GMT -5
It would be nice...but how do you align with people who just do no not understand whats fact and whats fiction? My 2 cents on answering that question. 1. Understand that every person who has a strong opinion about something probably holds certain assertions to be facts beyond dispute that another person would disagree with and consider to be mere opinions or fictions. You may call something fiction that someone else calls fact, and visa versa. You have to then ask yourself if you are infallible. If not, then you have to factor in your own ability to be wrong about something you perceive to be indisputable fact when judging someone for clinging hard to something you consider to be untrue. 2. With the above in mind, approach the other side like a dispassionate scientist that is trying to figure out why they think like they think. A professor once told me that the way to examine opposing view points is to consider an issue or subject to be a physical cube. The cube is multi-faceted. You should pick up the cube, look at it from all the different sides, and put it back down again. The goal isn't to change your own mind about the issue, but to understand why someone believes something different than yourself. They could be wrong, and there may or may not be logical reasons as to why they believe what they believe. But you'll never really understand the issue itself or the "why" as to the controversy unless dive into understanding the opposition. I've found there are usually reasons why people are sold on their world views. This is especially true of modern conspiracy theories. There may be facts or facets of a theory that are actually true. Where the theory goes off the rails is either by drawing incorrect conclusions from the facts or beginning to presume truth of all asserted facts when only some are proven true. Qanon theory is a good example. Full of crazy conclusions and fake facts that can be easily proven false with a little googling. And yet weave in all the true, weird, facts about the life and death of Jeff Epstein that actually support some of the tenants of Qanon theory. When a little bit of an idea seems to be true, it makes it easier to accept the false parts and accept the overall idea. I've found it's very useful to understand conspiracy theories by finding those true facts that often exist at the root of the lies. Rat poisons are often made up of a large percentage of ingredients that are not harmful to the rat. Things that make it palatable and appealing to eat. The poison is a small percentage of the material. But it's enough to taint the entire thing. So figure that someone opposite of yourself may have reasons that follow a sort of logic as to how they got to where they are. You point out QAnon as a purveyor of misinformation but completely ignore the entire Climate Change Hunta that are literally destroying the economies of the world with completely unnecessary actions to the point of potentially causing mass starvation in the 1st world. This Hunta uses complete lies and fabrication to brainwash the politicos and their minions to commit suicide on the alter of CO2. QAnon has nothing on these guys... This isnt conspiracy, this is fact... but the brainwashing and indoctrination is so complete, that they cant be snapped out of it. It is another example of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
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Post by bullfrog on Aug 22, 2023 8:38:54 GMT -5
My 2 cents on answering that question. 1. Understand that every person who has a strong opinion about something probably holds certain assertions to be facts beyond dispute that another person would disagree with and consider to be mere opinions or fictions. You may call something fiction that someone else calls fact, and visa versa. You have to then ask yourself if you are infallible. If not, then you have to factor in your own ability to be wrong about something you perceive to be indisputable fact when judging someone for clinging hard to something you consider to be untrue. 2. With the above in mind, approach the other side like a dispassionate scientist that is trying to figure out why they think like they think. A professor once told me that the way to examine opposing view points is to consider an issue or subject to be a physical cube. The cube is multi-faceted. You should pick up the cube, look at it from all the different sides, and put it back down again. The goal isn't to change your own mind about the issue, but to understand why someone believes something different than yourself. They could be wrong, and there may or may not be logical reasons as to why they believe what they believe. But you'll never really understand the issue itself or the "why" as to the controversy unless dive into understanding the opposition. I've found there are usually reasons why people are sold on their world views. This is especially true of modern conspiracy theories. There may be facts or facets of a theory that are actually true. Where the theory goes off the rails is either by drawing incorrect conclusions from the facts or beginning to presume truth of all asserted facts when only some are proven true. Qanon theory is a good example. Full of crazy conclusions and fake facts that can be easily proven false with a little googling. And yet weave in all the true, weird, facts about the life and death of Jeff Epstein that actually support some of the tenants of Qanon theory. When a little bit of an idea seems to be true, it makes it easier to accept the false parts and accept the overall idea. I've found it's very useful to understand conspiracy theories by finding those true facts that often exist at the root of the lies. Rat poisons are often made up of a large percentage of ingredients that are not harmful to the rat. Things that make it palatable and appealing to eat. The poison is a small percentage of the material. But it's enough to taint the entire thing. So figure that someone opposite of yourself may have reasons that follow a sort of logic as to how they got to where they are. You point out QAnon as a purveyor of misinformation but completely ignore the entire Climate Change Hunta that are literally destroying the economies of the world with completely unnecessary actions to the point of potentially causing mass starvation in the 1st world. This Hunta uses complete lies and fabrication to brainwash the politicos and their minions to commit suicide on the alter of CO2. QAnon has nothing on these guys... This isnt conspiracy, this is fact... but the brainwashing and indoctrination is so complete, that they cant be snapped out of it. It is another example of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I haven’t ignored anything.
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Post by swampdog on Aug 22, 2023 8:44:51 GMT -5
I had to finally get over trying to right every wrong or misbelief my friends spouted. For example: Guy had a camper in his back yard area and someone was staying in it. The generator comes on late at night and goes off early morning. I mentioned this to my other neighbor and my wife and they both said there’s not a camper there and we don’t see anyone over there. I said OK. They do not have to believe me and that’s ok. There’s not a law that we take everything we’re told as true and infallible. It’s called “rational living”…
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Post by cyclist on Aug 22, 2023 9:52:50 GMT -5
My 2 cents on answering that question. 1. Understand that every person who has a strong opinion about something probably holds certain assertions to be facts beyond dispute that another person would disagree with and consider to be mere opinions or fictions. You may call something fiction that someone else calls fact, and visa versa. You have to then ask yourself if you are infallible. If not, then you have to factor in your own ability to be wrong about something you perceive to be indisputable fact when judging someone for clinging hard to something you consider to be untrue. 2. With the above in mind, approach the other side like a dispassionate scientist that is trying to figure out why they think like they think. A professor once told me that the way to examine opposing view points is to consider an issue or subject to be a physical cube. The cube is multi-faceted. You should pick up the cube, look at it from all the different sides, and put it back down again. The goal isn't to change your own mind about the issue, but to understand why someone believes something different than yourself. They could be wrong, and there may or may not be logical reasons as to why they believe what they believe. But you'll never really understand the issue itself or the "why" as to the controversy unless dive into understanding the opposition. I've found there are usually reasons why people are sold on their world views. This is especially true of modern conspiracy theories. There may be facts or facets of a theory that are actually true. Where the theory goes off the rails is either by drawing incorrect conclusions from the facts or beginning to presume truth of all asserted facts when only some are proven true. Qanon theory is a good example. Full of crazy conclusions and fake facts that can be easily proven false with a little googling. And yet weave in all the true, weird, facts about the life and death of Jeff Epstein that actually support some of the tenants of Qanon theory. When a little bit of an idea seems to be true, it makes it easier to accept the false parts and accept the overall idea. I've found it's very useful to understand conspiracy theories by finding those true facts that often exist at the root of the lies. Rat poisons are often made up of a large percentage of ingredients that are not harmful to the rat. Things that make it palatable and appealing to eat. The poison is a small percentage of the material. But it's enough to taint the entire thing. So figure that someone opposite of yourself may have reasons that follow a sort of logic as to how they got to where they are. You point out QAnon as a purveyor of misinformation but completely ignore the entire Climate Change Hunta that are literally destroying the economies of the world with completely unnecessary actions to the point of potentially causing mass starvation in the 1st world. This Hunta uses complete lies and fabrication to brainwash the politicos and their minions to commit suicide on the alter of CO2. QAnon has nothing on these guys... This isnt conspiracy, this is fact... but the brainwashing and indoctrination is so complete, that they cant be snapped out of it. It is another example of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I rest my case, when ignorants spout total BS against all established science and facts your are left with a big pile of steaming BS.... and a bunch or morons that vote.
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Post by Tarponator on Aug 22, 2023 10:23:26 GMT -5
"Literally destroying the economies of the world"? "Potentially causing mass starvation in the 1st world"? These are facts? Only the "brainwashed" and "indoctrinated" would question them?
I am not man enough to empathize with this astounding level of derangement. With the cult, every accusation is an admission, I suppose.
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Post by biminitwisted on Aug 22, 2023 16:42:06 GMT -5
BREAKING: Jack Smith's team tells Judge Cannon that a key witness in Trump's Mar-a-Lago documents case retracted false testimony after switching lawyers.
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Post by biminitwisted on Aug 22, 2023 17:15:12 GMT -5
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Post by Tarponator on Aug 22, 2023 18:35:20 GMT -5
BREAKING: Jack Smith's team tells Judge Cannon that a key witness in Trump's Mar-a-Lago documents case retracted false testimony after switching lawyers. If this were a board game it would be: Trump in the basement with the VCR tape.
But it's not.
Boom.
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Post by tonyroma on Aug 22, 2023 19:34:35 GMT -5
The flipping in Georgia will be interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2023 19:47:16 GMT -5
BREAKING: Jack Smith's team tells Judge Cannon that a key witness in Trump's Mar-a-Lago documents case retracted false testimony after switching lawyers. If this were a board game it would be: Trump in the basement with the VCR tape.
But it's not.
Boom.
Since he admitted lying to the grand Jury anything he says now shouldn't be taken seriously. He may have something else, but his word is toast.
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Post by luapnor on Aug 22, 2023 21:03:31 GMT -5
You point out QAnon as a purveyor of misinformation but completely ignore the entire Climate Change Hunta that are literally destroying the economies of the world with completely unnecessary actions to the point of potentially causing mass starvation in the 1st world. This Hunta uses complete lies and fabrication to brainwash the politicos and their minions to commit suicide on the alter of CO2. QAnon has nothing on these guys... This isnt conspiracy, this is fact... but the brainwashing and indoctrination is so complete, that they cant be snapped out of it. It is another example of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I rest my case, when ignorants spout total BS against all established science and facts your are left with a big pile of steaming BS.... and a bunch or morons that vote.
The chief climate qanon purveyor....
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Post by biminitwisted on Aug 22, 2023 23:15:52 GMT -5
Trump Vs. Trump
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