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Post by Tarponator on Sept 19, 2024 14:39:04 GMT -5
I love antidotal evidence, no way to confirm it. the united states is number 1 on the amount of money it spends on education but we rank 29th in the world for math and 13th overall for education. maybe our teachers need teachers . our education system sucks balls, you can confirm that. How much responsibility for this do you think falls on parents and students?
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Post by conchydong on Sept 19, 2024 15:05:40 GMT -5
the united states is number 1 on the amount of money it spends on education but we rank 29th in the world for math and 13th overall for education. maybe our teachers need teachers . our education system sucks balls, you can confirm that. How much responsibility for this do you think falls on parents and students? I’ll throw in my two cents and say 90%.
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Post by olmucky on Sept 19, 2024 15:07:47 GMT -5
My sons sophmore year his teacher told the class: I’m done teaching. I’m over you guys. I’ll handout the materials and grade your tests.
And that’s what she did
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Post by One Man Gang on Sept 19, 2024 17:05:51 GMT -5
the united states is number 1 on the amount of money it spends on education but we rank 29th in the world for math and 13th overall for education. maybe our teachers need teachers . our education system sucks balls, you can confirm that. How much responsibility for this do you think falls on parents and students? Indeed, a good point, and I largely agree, but unless you have kids in the public school system, you guys really have no clue how bad it is. My area public schools are considered "A" by the states standards, but I would rank them a C. Most of what the school boards think is important is horse shit. In the meantime the kids run wild without ample repercussions. Their poor behavior is on the 100% on the parents. Most of them need a good ass whipping, and a bar of soap for their mouths. The curriculum is on the Boards though. Believe me when I tell you the teachers are paying a hefty price in our public schools along with the kids who want to actually learn. It's such a mess all around that we elected to home school my youngest. I don't need her exposed to the every day nonsense at her zoned "A" rated school. I'll cover the basics, behavior, and what morally aligns with my thoughts at home while we have a great math tutor covering the advanced stuff. A fucking litter box for little Amy to piss in because she identifies as a cat today doesn't fit in with my thinking.
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Sept 19, 2024 17:15:18 GMT -5
How much responsibility for this do you think falls on parents and students? . A fucking litter box for little Amy to piss in because she identifies as a cat today doesn't fit in with my thinking. You do know that never actually happened right. I mean the rest of it yeah but the litter box is totally BS
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Sept 19, 2024 17:44:44 GMT -5
Until the teachers and admins are allowed to get control of their students by any means necessary things will continue to get worse. The ones who don't want to or can't learn are nothing g but distractions. Not only do they not want to learn they don't want anybody else to.
I will use myself for an example. I was bored miserable in school. The older I got the worse it got. From 12-15ish I was a confused and angry young man who wanted to be anywhere but school. I did not give a shit. I hated it. When I started playing g football I calmed down just enough and did just enough work to remain eligible for football. And when I got toward the end of high school and colleges were looking at me I tried to get serious but the damage was done academically. Going to a very advance curriculum private school was a culture shock to say the least. Especially after attending a joke of a school for a few years previously.
I would have been better off had I been sent to work for the Peace Corps or National Park Service or something else for a couple of years and let my immature mind catch up to my mature body. I would have probably be far better off in the long run.
Some of those kids might mature and take education seriously. Most will not. They ain't going nowhere and they know it. And they don't want anybody else going anywhere either. There needs to be an alternative to them just getting dumped at school by their parents and the teachers and peers having to deal with them.
The kids that are going to make good grades are going to make them. If it's through just natural intelligence or hard work an study. My concern is for the second group who have to work a little harder than the others for the same result. They should not have their day interrupted constantly by a classmate who's just passing time for a free lunch and has nowhere else to go or be.
A year or 18 months cleaning Yosemite. Or emptying the trash at State or national parks might give them a little perspective and focus on education. Or it might just let them know they don't want school. And I don't think there is any shame in the later. They can be trained to do plenty of things that in all honestly do not require an education much past the 8th or 9th grade.
If those students that wanted to go back come back and are not disruptive and are willing to work then great welcome back. If not? Then you can't stay here. Its that simple. When I was in middle school in public schools I was in 7th grade and there was a group of guys that were still in middle school (6-8 grade here) that drove cars and motorcycles. Meaning g they were at least 16. I'm sorry but if you are 16 and still in the 8th grade you are probably not going to be the future. And what I always thought was ironic was the girls that thought those guys were cool 🤣🤣🤣 And those guys that though they were tough becasue they coukd pick on 7th and 8th graders. Not a single one of those guys ever made anything of themselves. Most have done prison time for various crimes. Saw one a few years ago. He was a carney. Either way they shoukd have never been allowed to stay at the same school for 4 or 5 years.
Flash forward 10 years. They did away with those classes and just started passing them. No Child left behind didn't help. The state even came out and said if they didn't pass they'd give them an "attendance diploma" What a freaking joke. That has since been recinded. Imagine our schools if time, talent, and resources didn't have to be wasted on 10% of the students who are 90% of the problem.
Of course we could give students with good grades and exit ticket to their choice of school and turn the inner city and other failing schools into 8 hour a day prisons. Like they pretty much already are for the kids that want to learn having to deal with them anyway. We should be leading the world in education. And by some estimates we are. But I can see the difference in other parts of my own state to know the schools in the Northern Part of the state are the bly reason we are ranked as high as we are. Because the rest are definitely dragging them down.
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Post by One Man Gang on Sept 19, 2024 18:02:36 GMT -5
. A fucking litter box for little Amy to piss in because she identifies as a cat today doesn't fit in with my thinking. You do know that never actually happened right. I mean the rest of it yeah but the litter box is totally BS Uh, it happened here. A few years ago when my son was in middle school. Weirdos wearing fuzzy tails and all. I know, it's hard to believe.
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Sept 19, 2024 18:05:32 GMT -5
You do know that never actually happened right. I mean the rest of it yeah but the litter box is totally BS Uh, it happened here. A few years ago when my son was in middle school. Weirdos wearing fuzzy tails and all. I know, it's hard to believe. No.
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Post by Reptile Dysfunction on Sept 19, 2024 18:19:56 GMT -5
But Trump is literally Hitler! Woah!!!
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Post by Captj on Sept 19, 2024 18:25:09 GMT -5
But Trump is literally Hitler! Woah!!! So identified by his VP.
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Post by OhMy on Sept 19, 2024 18:28:41 GMT -5
The department of education needs an overhaul.
School choice.
Give the money to the child and let the parent decide where the student is educated.
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Post by Reptile Dysfunction on Sept 19, 2024 18:54:33 GMT -5
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Sept 19, 2024 19:12:48 GMT -5
So Pence gets Trumps credit for success/failure?
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Post by biminitwisted on Sept 19, 2024 19:57:32 GMT -5
So Pence gets Trumps credit for success/failure? Only if he had the courage to do the right thing like Kamala most certainly will.
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