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Post by mapper on Sept 15, 2024 14:24:40 GMT -5
I'd bet a case of your favorite craft beer that if it is happening ,( immigrants getting shipped into cities in large numbers) in Springfield it is happening in other cities as well but not being reported where all these immigrants are going.
This is not a oversight on the border czars part, or the media's part. Remember when desantis or perry shipped immigrants off to Martha's vineyard and it was covered by media that he was seen as a cold and cruel man for sending them there when they said they were pro sanctuary cities and towns.
As far as I'm concerned if the people behind these policies truly believe in them they should sponsor them and have them live with them, and the rest as their neighbors. The sponsorship program is a cesspool of corruption. Feel free to research it.
BUT that won't happen..it would point out the hyprococy of the idea and implementation. It is easier to put the burdens on others.
BUT it is all about political gain and political theater anyway does any rational person really believe that the democrats care about these immigrants who cant legally vote, but do affect the census which affects representative apportioning?
Look I am not saying I am against immigration. We are a country of immigrants. But do it the right way. Open borders and shipping folks all over the country is NOT the right way. This undermines the trust in the government and rule of law for people who did it the RIGHT way.
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Post by biminitwisted on Sept 15, 2024 14:26:03 GMT -5
First they came for the Haitians that were here legally...
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Post by mapper on Sept 15, 2024 14:29:43 GMT -5
Ahh, so you do know the arguments learned from Germany and world War 2.
Feel free to use them on other issues including the ones that you do not like, such as the 2nd amendment.
Now NO WHERE did you read in my posts that I was advocating rounding up people.
Its typical misdirection to avoid you staying on topic. Your handlers have tought you well.
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Post by tonyroma on Sept 15, 2024 21:59:33 GMT -5
JD doesn't have the time in front of the trumpets for them to understand the nuances NEARLY as well as the DON has. He has quite a bit of learning to do. Now as far as vp picks I thought there could have been better ones, Tulsi or Nikki come to mind, but they are not really seeped in the BS and uber ego about the DON. They have far less BS to them and more on point as far as views. But that really doesn't bode well for the DONS ego, so JD seems to play the court jester at times. The DON really needs to work on his communication with his lieutenants and wise guys and made men. Kamala seems to have a better handle on communication issues with her comrades and politburo chiefs. Just because the DON makes over the top references to an issue to bring about light on it, (trumpets get that) does NOT mean that it transfers well to JD..(and it does not) As far as all the immigrants getting shipped in to cities under the border czars policies and those of her frail boss, it is a big issue. Police, sanitation, utilities, schools,social services, homeless services, hospitals and health care, parks and recreation, planning and zoning, permitting, and other departments have more burdens placed on them. If the cities are fine with that it is OK. But it is a fact. Usually 20k people there are planned expansions for infrastructure, roads, schools, fire depts, etc.. I guess bringing them in with a "hi, we are here" approach really sends a message that permitting, land use, infrastructure planning , comprehensive plans are really un needed as far as growth. So Tony, what is the balancing point of political gain? Having policies by the border czar bringing large (multiple thousands) of immigrants in cities dispersed all across the country for political gain, or having someone tell a lie about it to point out there is a problem with the policy? Neither one is right, but the lie costs a lot less.. The lie is going to get innocent people killed. Turn people into sub-human dog eaters to highlight flawed immigration policy.
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Post by toldya on Sept 15, 2024 22:30:10 GMT -5
Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio), Donald Trump’s running mate, acknowledged Sunday that he “created” the baseless claims that Haitian immigrants are eating their neighbors’ pets in Springfield, Ohio, “to draw attention to the Biden-Harris immigration policies.” The false claims about immigrants have put Springfield under siege with threats and harassment. Meanwhile, Vice President Kamala Harris readies to barnstorm through several swing states this week. www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/09/15/2024-election-campaign-updates-harris-trump/ That's not true at all. Vance didn't create the claims , he just reported/ showed what someone else claimed - ' Blood Tribe, a national neo-Nazi group, was among the early purveyors of the rumor in August, posting about it on Gab and Telegram, social networks popular with extremists. While the group’s leader has taken credit for Trump’s indulgence of the claims, Blood Tribe’s reach is unknown; its accounts on those sites have fewer than 1,000 followers. " www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-fringe-online-claim-immigrants-eating-pets-debate-trump-rcna170759I don't know if any or how much investigation was or is being done to investigate the claim through Blood Tribe , but they are claiming that it happened. I'd have to see it to believe it but doesn't seem to be much interest in investigating the claim. A person can remain neutral on this stuff instead of jumping on the bandwagon , as the OP of this thread seems to have done here.
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Post by tonyroma on Sept 15, 2024 22:34:46 GMT -5
I hope they double down on the pet eating fiasco, maybe agree to another debate and bring this travesty to the forefront.
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Post by Tarponator on Sept 15, 2024 22:37:36 GMT -5
Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio), Donald Trump’s running mate, acknowledged Sunday that he “created” the baseless claims that Haitian immigrants are eating their neighbors’ pets in Springfield, Ohio, “to draw attention to the Biden-Harris immigration policies.” The false claims about immigrants have put Springfield under siege with threats and harassment. Meanwhile, Vice President Kamala Harris readies to barnstorm through several swing states this week. www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/09/15/2024-election-campaign-updates-harris-trump/ That's not true at all. Vance didn't create the claims , he just reported/ showed what someone else claimed - ' Blood Tribe, a national neo-Nazi group, was among the early purveyors of the rumor in August, posting about it on Gab and Telegram, social networks popular with extremists. While the group’s leader has taken credit for Trump’s indulgence of the claims, Blood Tribe’s reach is unknown; its accounts on those sites have fewer than 1,000 followers. " www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-fringe-online-claim-immigrants-eating-pets-debate-trump-rcna170759I don't know if any or how much investigation was or is being done to investigate the claim through Blood Tribe , but they are claiming that it happened. I'd have to see it to believe it but doesn't seem to be much interest in investigating the claim. A person can remain neutral on this stuff instead of jumping on the bandwagon , as the OP of this thread seems to have done here. Nothing says sincerity like a swastika.
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Post by toldya on Sept 15, 2024 22:46:29 GMT -5
To get back on topic here, the OP seems to be posting BS , not that that is a big deal around here. Just pointing it out .
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Post by Tarponator on Sept 15, 2024 22:54:53 GMT -5
Ok, so the topic is that JD Vance fed a nazi-reported scam into the echo chamber, Trump and the cultists took it and ran (including right to this very forum), and here we are.
Is that about right?
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Post by johnnybandit on Sept 16, 2024 0:01:02 GMT -5
Not only is the quote function too tough for some to figure out, the new post function seems like it must be confusing for them too!🤣 We are new good friends.. So I ask you cut him some slack... thank you sir..
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Post by Captj on Sept 16, 2024 5:30:58 GMT -5
The flooding has caused that and a lot more. Mapper is on point and looking at the bigger picture. You seem to be more narrowly focused. Like more narrowly focused on whether or not boytoy is as big a lier as his master? Or as dangerous to others? Inspiring death threats, bomb threats, and spreading false conspiracy rumours? What a sad, miserable, failing bunch the Repugnants are.
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Post by ferris1248 on Sept 16, 2024 5:34:14 GMT -5
Yep, he is very narrowly focused.
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Post by ferris1248 on Sept 16, 2024 6:42:09 GMT -5
"During an appearance on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Vance claimed that Donald Trump during his presidency “protected” Americans getting insurance through the Affordable Care Act “from losing their health coverage.” “He actually protected a lot more additional Americans from losing their health coverage,” Vance went on to say. " "Trump had said something similar during Tuesday’s presidential debate, when he claimed he “saved” the 2010 health care law during the presidency." "In reality, Trump spent the first year of his presidency trying to repeal the Affordable Care Act, following through on a promise he’d made from the very first days of his 2016 presidential campaign. As a candidate and then as president, Trump repeatedly assured Americans that he would replace the Affordable Care Act with “something terrific” ― that, “it’ll be great health care for much less money” and that “we’re going to have insurance for everybody.” "But Trump never had such a plan." "Instead, once he became president, he pushed Congress to pass Republican bills that would have undermined those new rules on insurers, while dramatically reducing funding and eligibility for the new insurance offerings." www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/jd-vance-just-told-another-big-lie-about-donald-trump-s-record/ar-AA1qCATz?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=u531&cvid=8689328d36d4498886330e57ec621b48&ei=13
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Post by walkerdog on Sept 16, 2024 16:36:49 GMT -5
The flooding has caused that and a lot more. Mapper is on point and looking at the bigger picture. You seem to be more narrowly focused. Like more narrowly focused on whether or not boytoy is as big a lier as his master? Or as dangerous to others? Inspiring death threats, bomb threats, and spreading false conspiracy rumours? What a sad, miserable, failing bunch the Repugnants are. Think bigger. Or….. more bigly, if you prefer…..🤣
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Post by Captj on Sept 17, 2024 4:31:17 GMT -5
Like more narrowly focused on whether or not boytoy is as big a lier as his master? Or as dangerous to others? Inspiring death threats, bomb threats, and spreading false conspiracy rumours? What a sad, miserable, failing bunch the Repugnants are. Think bigger. Or….. more bigly, if you prefer…..🤣 Bigliest? Or just "perfect"?
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