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Post by Mango Man on Sept 11, 2024 8:08:30 GMT -5
Geez Pete, you're not a little bias are you?
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Post by cyclist on Sept 11, 2024 8:14:26 GMT -5
Geez Pete, you're not a little bias are you? It was patently obviously...she goaded him constantly and he took the bait...
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Post by toldya on Sept 11, 2024 8:16:17 GMT -5
Geez Pete, you're not a little bias are you? It was patently obviously...she goaded him constantly and he took the bait... No name calling today ? Did you get in trouble ?
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Post by cyclist on Sept 11, 2024 8:42:49 GMT -5
It was patently obviously...she goaded him constantly and he took the bait... No name calling today ? Did you get in trouble ? Fuck off twinkle toes...😉
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Post by cadman on Sept 11, 2024 9:16:15 GMT -5
Moderators were not unbiased but he should have been prepared for that. Exactly. I presume he never called them out on it? He could have scored some great points if he would have let it go on enough to be obvious, then call them out directly on it and point out her personal connections to ABC and then springboard from that to an attack on the liberal media establishment. For someone running on a platform of saving America from Leftist garbage, he still doesn’t know how to take the garbage out. He’s the captain of a faction in an ideological war and he doesn’t know how to fight the enemy on their terms, and he lacks the ability to shift the fight onto his terms. They both started out equal with Harris avoiding the issues that made her look bad. Then she inserted the "Go to one of his rallies" moment where she talked about people leaving his rallies. she pushed his button and he went off script, got visibly angry, and ranted about his rallies and all kinds of other crap that nobody cares about. He lost focus and couldn't shake it. she pulled the same trick when she brought up his legal issues. He got angry and went off ranting about them. He couldn't stop talking about Biden either in personal terms and not issues. Once she knew how to push his buttons, Trump could not turn the corner and shift the fight to his terms. He let her bully him. His responses to the fact checks was weak as well. First off, he should never have mentioned people eating cats, even Fox, after the debate, said Trump repeated a lie there and got caught. But he defended it by saying "He saw people on TV say their cats got eaten". He defended crime is increasing lie by claiming the FBI lied and left out all the bad crime areas. Trump had several moments he could have responded to the moderators by asking why they were correcting him and not her, not that any of her lies were as blatant as his. It was obvious, the moderators were aware and waiting on Trump to use those tag lines during the debate since he had used it in rallies and pounced on him when he did. They did not bother with many other "exaggerations" by both candidates. The one moderators remark "and you know that isn't true" was very biased. Trump seemed unable to counter the moderators oo Harris affectively. I think her advisors told her to attack Trump on rallies, trials, and other non issues and get him off script and angry. Her goal was to present an upbeat positive message while trying to get people to see trump negatively. In that respect, she succeeded. She got Trump mad and unfocused, while she remained upbeat and smiling. Trump tried to save it toward the end by bringing up immigration and inflation when another issue was being discussed, but he did not succeed in keeping those issues to the forefront since he was easily distracted and went off on rants about other stuff. If Trump had stayed focused on the issues better, he could have won it and put her away. If Harris had been able to address the questions straight on and made her case for a real plan for the future, she could have won the debate. But both candidates did fairly well, neither one had a "Biden" moment when you knew it was over. I think Harris had a slight lead just due to her body language and stage presence and how she faced Trump when she address things he said or did. Trump could not look at her and focused on the moderators. He really wanted a crowd to play to as that is his strength. But both candidates held their own and neither one had a clear victory. I will say, Trump looked old and I am not sure how that will affect voters. Both sides have stated they want another debate. If I was Trump, I would wait a week and see what the polls say and then decide. If he is slipping in the polls, agree to another debate. If he is still holding his own, do not debate Harris again. In this debate, it was Harris who had to prove she could hold her own against Trump and she did. The next one will be can Trump not go off script and not let her control the discussion. I think he would have more to lose at a second debate. i did watch a couple after the debate interviews with Walz and Vance. Vance had been coached to focus on the issue of the economy. The interviewer tried to discuss the abortion issues and Vance kept swinging it around to the economy. His advisors told him to get the message out about the economy since Trump had been unable to successfully. I think Trump's avoidance of the abortion issue is going to hurt him with women voters and the strong anti - abortion groups. I look forward to another debate if it happens.
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Post by bullfrog on Sept 11, 2024 9:28:18 GMT -5
Exactly. I presume he never called them out on it? He could have scored some great points if he would have let it go on enough to be obvious, then call them out directly on it and point out her personal connections to ABC and then springboard from that to an attack on the liberal media establishment. For someone running on a platform of saving America from Leftist garbage, he still doesn’t know how to take the garbage out. He’s the captain of a faction in an ideological war and he doesn’t know how to fight the enemy on their terms, and he lacks the ability to shift the fight onto his terms. They both started out equal with Harris avoiding the issues that made her look bad. Then she inserted the "Go to one of his rallies" moment where she talked about people leaving his rallies. she pushed his button and he went off script, got visibly angry, and ranted about his rallies and all kinds of other crap that nobody cares about. He lost focus and couldn't shake it. she pulled the same trick when she brought up his legal issues. He got angry and went off ranting about them. He couldn't stop talking about Biden either in personal terms and not issues. Once she knew how to push his buttons, Trump could not turn the corner and shift the fight to his terms. He let her bully him. His responses to the fact checks was weak as well. First off, he should never have mentioned people eating cats, even Fox, after the debate, said Trump repeated a lie there and got caught. But he defended it by saying "He saw people on TV say their cats got eaten". He defended crime is increasing lie by claiming the FBI lied and left out all the bad crime areas. Trump had several moments he could have responded to the moderators by asking why they were correcting him and not her, not that any of her lies were as blatant as his. It was obvious, the moderators were aware and waiting on Trump to use those tag lines during the debate since he had used it in rallies and pounced on him when he did. They did not bother with many other "exaggerations" by both candidates. The one moderators remark "and you know that isn't true" was very biased. Trump seemed unable to counter the moderators oo Harris affectively. I think her advisors told her to attack Trump on rallies, trials, and other non issues and get him off script and angry. Her goal was to present an upbeat positive message while trying to get people to see trump negatively. In that respect, she succeeded. She got Trump mad and unfocused, while she remained upbeat and smiling. Trump tried to save it toward the end by bringing up immigration and inflation when another issue was being discussed, but he did not succeed in keeping those issues to the forefront since he was easily distracted and went off on rants about other stuff. If Trump had stayed focused on the issues better, he could have won it and put her away. If Harris had been able to address the questions straight on and made her case for a real plan for the future, she could have won the debate. But both candidates did fairly well, neither one had a "Biden" moment when you knew it was over. I think Harris had a slight lead just due to her body language and stage presence and how she faced Trump when she address things he said or did. Trump could not look at her and focused on the moderators. He really wanted a crowd to play to as that is his strength. But both candidates held their own and neither one had a clear victory. I will say, Trump looked old and I am not sure how that will affect voters. Both sides have stated they want another debate. If I was Trump, I would wait a week and see what the polls say and then decide. If he is slipping in the polls, agree to another debate. If he is still holding his own, do not debate Harris again. In this debate, it was Harris who had to prove she could hold her own against Trump and she did. The next one will be can Trump not go off script and not let her control the discussion. I think he would have more to lose at a second debate. i did watch a couple after the debate interviews with Walz and Vance. Vance had been coached to focus on the issue of the economy. The interviewer tried to discuss the abortion issues and Vance kept swinging it around to the economy. His advisors told him to get the message out about the economy since Trump had been unable to successfully. I think Trump's avoidance of the abortion issue is going to hurt him with women voters and the strong anti - abortion groups. I look forward to another debate if it happens. Your take on what Trump should do about a next debate is basically the same as mine I said in the other debate thread; do some honest polling for a week and decide how much this debate helped Harris or hurt him. Do a second one that he’s better prepared for, not in a forum overly friendly to Harris, if this debate put him behind the eight ball. If however this debate did not do much damage to him, consider not doing a second one. Its unfair that the debate forum is dramatically biased against Trump. But that’s the way it is. He can’t change that. So he needs to be prepared to manhandle the bias instead. He never figured out how to do it in his first term. Seems like he’s not figuring it out now. He may not be Dracula after all.
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Post by meateater on Sept 11, 2024 9:31:40 GMT -5
That fact checking stuff is junk. Where do they get the facts checked? How to verify? Etc… At least it shows the bias. Everything they fact checked him on was a lie he told. It was outrageous crap he saw someplace. But I don't agree with their method of doing it. It seems very antithetical approach. illegal immigrants eating pets is a fact, yes the media will claim no evidence but ive seen it for a fact, goats taken in the middle of the night caught on camera with animals speaking creole, the haitians not the goats where speaking. in pompano beach. over in southwest ranches horses are found butchered with legs missing and goats disappear all the time never to be seen again. so is it aliens or illegals.
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Post by cyclist on Sept 11, 2024 9:37:15 GMT -5
Everything they fact checked him on was a lie he told. It was outrageous crap he saw someplace. But I don't agree with their method of doing it. It seems very antithetical approach.      illegal immigrants eating pets is a fact,  yes the media will claim no evidence but ive seen it for a fact,   goats taken in the middle of the night caught on camera with animals speaking creole, the haitians not the goats where speaking.  in pompano beach.       over in southwest ranches horses are found butchered with legs missing and goats disappear all the time never to be seen again.  so is it aliens or illegals. Illegals you say...how would you know?
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Post by meateater on Sept 11, 2024 9:40:31 GMT -5
She won the closing remarks. She tried to be positive and Trump went back to his standards of name calling and insults. But overall they each held their own. totally disagree, she was winning but only for people who dont follow politics closely, lots of complete lies and debunked stories. the closing statement was the only thing that saved trump you better listen to them again. her closing statement was nothing but rainbows and unicorns, trump reminded people who has been in charge the last 4 years and got us into the problems we have. ive already said to the uninformed voters she did good, anyone else i dont think so.
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Post by meateater on Sept 11, 2024 9:50:12 GMT -5
illegal immigrants eating pets is a fact, yes the media will claim no evidence but ive seen it for a fact, goats taken in the middle of the night caught on camera with animals speaking creole, the haitians not the goats where speaking. in pompano beach. over in southwest ranches horses are found butchered with legs missing and goats disappear all the time never to be seen again. so is it aliens or illegals. Illegals you say...how would you know? no proud american would butcher someones pet horse or goat in the middle of the night in the owners backyard, this is a typical third world act only done by immigrants that should have never been allowed to enter the country. do just a little research on the animals who do get caught from time to time doing this, now look closely at the names,,, see any leroys or deshawns, how bout bubbas or hanks. of course not so cut the shit you know who commits these crimes.
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Post by bullfrog on Sept 11, 2024 9:58:54 GMT -5
She won the closing remarks. She tried to be positive and Trump went back to his standards of name calling and insults. But overall they each held their own.        totally disagree,   she was winning but only for people who dont follow politics closely, lots of complete lies and debunked stories.  the closing statement was the only thing that saved trump you better listen to them again. her closing statement was nothing but rainbows and unicorns, trump reminded people who has been in charge the last 4 years and got us into the problems we have.  ive already said to the uninformed voters she did good, anyone else i dont think so. The uninformed voters may be the only ones who haven’t made up their minds.
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Post by cyclist on Sept 11, 2024 10:00:04 GMT -5
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Post by cyclist on Sept 11, 2024 10:02:38 GMT -5
Illegals you say...how would you know? no proud american would butcher someones pet horse or goat in the middle of the night in the owners backyard, this is a typical third world act only done by immigrants that should have never been allowed to enter the country. do just a little research on the animals who do get caught from time to time doing this, now look closely at the names,,, see any leroys or deshawns, how bout bubbas or hanks. of course not so cut the shit you know who commits these crimes. Yeah right, I would have thought no Proud American would trash the Capital and assault capital police as well.
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Post by meateater on Sept 11, 2024 10:21:39 GMT -5
no proud american would butcher someones pet horse or goat in the middle of the night in the owners backyard, this is a typical third world act only done by immigrants that should have never been allowed to enter the country. do just a little research on the animals who do get caught from time to time doing this, now look closely at the names,,, see any leroys or deshawns, how bout bubbas or hanks. of course not so cut the shit you know who commits these crimes. Yeah right, I would have thought no Proud American would trash the Capital and assault capital police as well. betcha afterward they didnt go eat sauted horse and boiled goat.
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Post by cyclist on Sept 11, 2024 10:22:57 GMT -5
Yeah right, I would have thought no Proud American would trash the Capital and assault capital police as well. betcha afterward they didnt go eat sauted horse and boiled goat. They ate crow....on the way to jail.
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