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Post by cadman on Sept 12, 2024 9:23:40 GMT -5
It can not be done “legally” It is a moral issue that needs to be decided on an individual basis The most fair way to let the people decide on a more individual basis is to let the decision be made on a state by state basis Communists love government mandates. Communist ideology demands that You endorse government mandates by endorsing a state law regarding abortion. You must be a communist by your definition. I would prefer no laws at any level and let the individual make their own moral decision. You have repeatedly said it is murder and believe everyone's moral decision should agree with yours. The fair way is no laws at all at any level. You damn communist.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Sept 12, 2024 9:53:41 GMT -5
Stop the stupidity
The voters decide in each individual state. The voters decide. It’s not a government mandate in any way shape or form
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Post by biminitwisted on Sept 12, 2024 10:12:37 GMT -5
Stop the stupidity The voters decide in each individual state. The voters decide. It’s not a government mandate in any way shape or form Then why is the GOP fighting tooth and nail to keep the voters at the state level from voting on it?
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Sept 12, 2024 10:28:52 GMT -5
If they are doing that it is wrong. But then the voters can remedy that at the next state elections
The individual state voters must have the ultimate right of the decision
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Post by cadman on Sept 12, 2024 11:14:38 GMT -5
Stop the stupidity The voters decide in each individual state. The voters decide. It’s not a government mandate in any way shape or form What stupidity? !4 states have laws passed by the legislature banning abortions. The citizens did not vote on these laws. Not every state has had constitutional amendments added to the ballot to be voted on. Is your position these laws are not legal?
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Sept 12, 2024 11:44:44 GMT -5
It is my position that the voters can change any laws that they don’t agree with
Elections are usually every two years
Voters have the power. Voters have the rights.
Only in communist countries does the national government make mandates
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Post by cadman on Sept 12, 2024 12:03:09 GMT -5
It is my position that the voters can change any laws that they don’t agree with Elections are usually every two years Voters have the power. Voters have the rights. Only in communist countries does the national government make mandates The federal government in this country makes a mandate every time it passes a new law. Even the laws you agree with are mandates from the federal government to do things a certain way. Laws are mandates to do things a certain way and not restricted to communist countries. The taxes you pay are mandates by the government at the federal, state, and local levels. Voters also have elections every two years for some elected officials and can vote then to change any laws they don't agree with just like at the state level. There is no difference. voters have the power and the rights at the federal level. Your argument is very illogical makes zero sense. BTW, a legal definition of when human life begins, mandates nothing.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Sept 12, 2024 12:32:59 GMT -5
There is a difference. A big difference.
Why should liberal states like California and Illinois use their voting power to force laws upon conservative states like Alabama and Texas
It is now correct and proper that the individual states pass the law that governs their own state’s citizens
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Post by meateater on Sept 12, 2024 12:42:44 GMT -5
There is a difference. A big difference. Why should liberal states like California and Illinois use their voting power to force laws upon conservative states like Alabama and Texas It is now correct and proper that the individual states pass the law that governs their own state’s citizens if i was president i would make child birth illegal in california and alabama, throw in kentucky,mississippi,oregon and new mexico for safe measure.
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Post by Tarponator on Sept 12, 2024 16:34:59 GMT -5
If they are doing that it is wrong. But then the voters can remedy that at the next state elections The individual state voters must have the ultimate right of the decision Funny, you would give state voters the right, but not the women themselves.
That's an interesting take.
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Post by Tarponator on Sept 12, 2024 16:37:47 GMT -5
There is a difference. A big difference. Why should liberal states like California and Illinois use their voting power to force laws upon conservative states like Alabama and Texas It is now correct and proper that the individual states pass the law that governs their own state’s citizens Because we live in a country called the United States, and that's what the Constitution says. In particular, the Supremacy Clause. You might even try reading it so we can discuss it further.
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Post by johnnybandit on Sept 12, 2024 17:15:08 GMT -5
The right process is for our federal legislators and judicial body to declare when human life begins and settle this issue once and for all. The Right Process is the let women make their own healthcare decisions on things that affect their lives and the lives of other.... Women should have the
right to make choices on their own bodies with the advice of their health care provider without fear or persecution or prosecution....
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Post by johnnybandit on Sept 12, 2024 17:19:29 GMT -5
There is a difference. A big difference. Why should liberal states like California and Illinois use their voting power to force laws upon conservative states like Alabama and Texas It is now correct and proper that the individual states pass the law that governs their own state’s citizens Can you get pregnant? Do you have periods? How about allowing those that can get pregnant make decisions about their bodies...
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Post by Captj on Sept 12, 2024 17:28:09 GMT -5
FF45 says the states should decide. Then his mini me in Floriduh tries to disenfranchise voters trying to put the amendment to a vote. Can't have it both ways.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Sept 12, 2024 19:53:53 GMT -5
There is a difference. A big difference. Why should liberal states like California and Illinois use their voting power to force laws upon conservative states like Alabama and Texas It is now correct and proper that the individual states pass the law that governs their own state’s citizens Can you get pregnant? Do you have periods? How about allowing those that can get pregnant make decisions about their bodies... Absolutely and they can enact whatever laws they desire to effect that end on a state by state basis now.
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