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Post by cadman on Aug 20, 2024 4:42:27 GMT -5
I'm confused. I thought it was the tRumpists doing the above. Just listen to the orange leader. Sounds like him talking. One just has to ask themself... which party wants less government. Libertarian is the only one, but none of their candidates get taken seriously.
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Post by bswiv on Aug 20, 2024 6:10:29 GMT -5
Consider the source.......and in the first paragraph the use of "sugar daddy" rather than something journalistic and unloaded such as "supporter"...... We can run around and pick and chose our outlets ( Yes....I do it.......though at some point EVERYONE hates some of what I post.... ) to make the case for our side. The hard thing, that is to dig hard enough to know that the side you are going to end up on is wrong at least 30-40% of the time.......and maybe even 80% of the time, it just being that the other side is wrong 81% of the time. Hence you land on your side.......not because it is correct but because it is less wrong. Which of course scrambles the whole concept of calling "the other" evil........ FYI, Reason, one of your favorite sources, is as far right as the Independent is far left:
I agree, completely, that we should always consider the source, and I cannot remember ever using the word "evil" when discussing sides of the political spectrum.
We should also be wary of strawmen arguments.
Actually.........I am confused........."as far right".......by what definition? Always the question........Who defines? So a site, actually a group of writers and researchers, who champion individual freedom, who object to corporatism, object to the slicing up based on race, are in favor of near on open borders, champion sentencing reform and drug policy that any on the left would love.......and I can go on.... No.......not what the biased......yes...so called fact checkers are themselves biased......label it. It's that once appreciated mix of ideas and ideals, one that slashes left and then right..... And for a Team Player........well......any questioning or pointing out of absurdities by anyone earns the questioner a label.....even when the questioner questions the other Team in the same hard manner. It's all about the Team......
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Post by cadman on Aug 20, 2024 6:28:00 GMT -5
FYI, Reason, one of your favorite sources, is as far right as the Independent is far left:
I agree, completely, that we should always consider the source, and I cannot remember ever using the word "evil" when discussing sides of the political spectrum.
We should also be wary of strawmen arguments.
Actually.........I am confused........."as far right".......by what definition? Always the question........Who defines? So a site, actually a group of writers and researchers, who champion individual freedom, who object to corporatism, object to the slicing up based on race, are in favor of near on open borders, champion sentencing reform and drug policy that any on the left would love.......and I can go on.... No.......not what the biased......yes...so called fact checkers are themselves biased......label it. It's that once appreciated mix of ideas and ideals, one that slashes left and then right..... And for a Team Player........well......any questioning or pointing out of absurdities by anyone earns the questioner a label.....even when the questioner questions the other Team in the same hard manner. It's all about the Team...... He was saying Reason leans to the right the same amount the independent leans left. Both do have bias if you look at their stories and the headlines chosen. Looking at Reason today, you can hardly call a headline like "Kamala Harris' Dishonest and Stupid Price Control Proposal" exactly neutral. I do not know many news sites that are completely neutral. Both the independent and Reason are more neutral than many other media sources.
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Post by bswiv on Aug 20, 2024 6:41:17 GMT -5
Actually.........I am confused........."as far right".......by what definition? Always the question........Who defines? So a site, actually a group of writers and researchers, who champion individual freedom, who object to corporatism, object to the slicing up based on race, are in favor of near on open borders, champion sentencing reform and drug policy that any on the left would love.......and I can go on.... No.......not what the biased......yes...so called fact checkers are themselves biased......label it. It's that once appreciated mix of ideas and ideals, one that slashes left and then right..... And for a Team Player........well......any questioning or pointing out of absurdities by anyone earns the questioner a label.....even when the questioner questions the other Team in the same hard manner. It's all about the Team...... He was saying Reason leans to the right the same amount the independent leans left. Both do have bias if you look at their stories and the headlines chosen. Looking at Reason today, you can hardly call a headline like "Kamala Harris' Dishonest and Stupid Price Control Proposal" exactly neutral. I do not know many news sites that are completely neutral. Both the independent and Reason are more neutral than many other media sources. The definition of "right"........that's the point. And of course the ability to label such that it ( and many others ) can be discounted. It's excellent propaganda technique........
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Post by cadman on Aug 20, 2024 6:52:05 GMT -5
He was saying Reason leans to the right the same amount the independent leans left. Both do have bias if you look at their stories and the headlines chosen. Looking at Reason today, you can hardly call a headline like "Kamala Harris' Dishonest and Stupid Price Control Proposal" exactly neutral. I do not know many news sites that are completely neutral. Both the independent and Reason are more neutral than many other media sources. The definition of "right"........that's the point. And of course the ability to label such that it ( and many others ) can be discounted. It's excellent propaganda technique........ I could ask the definition "left". You did the same to Tarp and his source by labeling it. You determined it needed to be discounted due to the use of the term "Sugar Daddy" that was an excellent propaganda technique on your part.
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Post by bswiv on Aug 20, 2024 7:32:36 GMT -5
The definition of "right"........that's the point. And of course the ability to label such that it ( and many others ) can be discounted. It's excellent propaganda technique........ I could ask the definition "left". You did the same to Tarp and his source by labeling it. You determined it needed to be discounted due to the use of the term "Sugar Daddy" that was an excellent propaganda technique on your part. The use of "sugar daddy" by the author of the piece is......I already explained it. As to "left"......yep.......it's also ill-defined......maybe I stick with Team D & Team R leaning......don't want to get too distracted from ideas by semantics......
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Post by johngalt on Aug 20, 2024 8:28:29 GMT -5
Because it has the totalitarian government they want to replace our republic form of government with. War is peace Freedom is slavery Ignorance is strength Anything else I can help you with?๐
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Post by ferris1248 on Aug 20, 2024 8:30:18 GMT -5
Because it has the totalitarian government they want to replace our republic form of government with. War is peace Freedom is slavery Ignorance is strength Anything else I can help you with?๐ Not really.
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Post by johngalt on Aug 20, 2024 8:34:34 GMT -5
War is peace Freedom is slavery Ignorance is strength Anything else I can help you with?๐ Not really.ย Glad weโre on the same page. ๐
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Post by ferris1248 on Aug 20, 2024 10:13:03 GMT -5
Not really. Glad weโre on the same page. ๐ In all honesty, we're probably closer on issues than you think. We just have different solutions. I just don't believe in throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
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Post by johngalt on Aug 20, 2024 11:42:16 GMT -5
Glad weโre on the same page. ๐ In all honesty, we're probably closer on issues than you think. We just have different solutions. I just don't believe in throwing the baby out with the bathwater.ย Sometimes I think that maybe throwing the baby out might be a good wake up call for all the spoiled crybabies who think the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. Itโs scary how do many so called Americans think authoritarianism is a good thing. Including a number of people here.
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