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Post by tonyroma on Jul 20, 2024 12:51:45 GMT -5
Vance is a Chameleon. He will do and say whatever it takes to be president. Everybody loves a flip flopper.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2024 12:58:20 GMT -5
Vance is a Chameleon. He will do and say whatever it takes to be president. Everybody loves a flip flopper. Isn't that what a candidate is suppose to do. The right says and does the right things though.
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 20, 2024 13:00:28 GMT -5
Vance is a Chameleon. He will do and say whatever it takes to be president. Everybody loves a flip flopper. Who among us hasn't casually changed our views on Hitler for political expediency?
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Post by tonyroma on Jul 20, 2024 13:05:22 GMT -5
Trump is Hitler. Oh wait he’s super popular again. Trump is the savior of the nation sent down from god.
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Post by nuevowavo on Jul 20, 2024 13:36:31 GMT -5
Higher tariffs equal higher prices on goods , throwing logs on the inflation fire. That isnt how it works.
Still waiting to hear how it works.
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Post by tonyroma on Jul 20, 2024 13:40:20 GMT -5
Same
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2024 13:52:25 GMT -5
Not interested
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Post by tonyroma on Jul 23, 2024 21:46:11 GMT -5
At first I thought Vance was a smart pick. But upon further review what does he add to the ticket besides youth. Ohio is already a red state so no bump there. Most rust belt white working class voters are already voting for Trump. Pubs help me out, is he pulling in undecided and moderates. Why him? Marco, Scott, Stafanic, Gabby?
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 23, 2024 22:17:13 GMT -5
At first I thought Vance was a smart pick. But upon further review what does he add to the ticket besides youth. Ohio is already a red state so no bump there. Most rust belt white working class voters are already voting for Trump. Pubs help me out, is he pulling in undecided and moderates. Why him? Marco, Scott, Stafanic, Gabby? I don’t think that the idea is that Vance helps Trump win. Its that Vance helps MAGA reign supreme over the Republican party if Trump does win. Vance is seen as the generation and faction that’s going to take MAGA over when Trump’s gone. He’s the future. That’s why I say Trump isn’t the one you have to watch out for. If Trump wins, he’ll do his thing for 4 years and that will be it. Someone young and smart like Vance, on the other hand, is going to be around for a long time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2024 22:19:28 GMT -5
At first I thought Vance was a smart pick. But upon further review what does he add to the ticket besides youth. Ohio is already a red state so no bump there. Most rust belt white working class voters are already voting for Trump. Pubs help me out, is he pulling in undecided and moderates. Why him? Marco, Scott, Stafanic, Gabby? Probably a cost savings thing. Vance has the same last 3 letters in his name as Pence. Modify and use that leftover shit up. We don't need no new signs.
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Post by tonyroma on Jul 23, 2024 22:50:17 GMT -5
At first I thought Vance was a smart pick. But upon further review what does he add to the ticket besides youth. Ohio is already a red state so no bump there. Most rust belt white working class voters are already voting for Trump. Pubs help me out, is he pulling in undecided and moderates. Why him? Marco, Scott, Stafanic, Gabby? I don’t think that the idea is that Vance helps Trump win. It’s that Vance helps MAGA reign supreme over the Republican party if Trump does win. Vance is seen as the generation and faction that’s going to take MAGA over when Trump’s gone. He’s the future. That’s why I say Trump isn’t the one you have to watch out for. If Trump wins, he’ll do his thing for 4 years and that will be it. Someone young and smart like Vance, on the other hand, is going to be around for a long time. So legacy not particularly strategic.
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 23, 2024 23:11:12 GMT -5
I don’t think that the idea is that Vance helps Trump win. It’s that Vance helps MAGA reign supreme over the Republican party if Trump does win. Vance is seen as the generation and faction that’s going to take MAGA over when Trump’s gone. He’s the future. That’s why I say Trump isn’t the one you have to watch out for. If Trump wins, he’ll do his thing for 4 years and that will be it. Someone young and smart like Vance, on the other hand, is going to be around for a long time. So legacy not particularly strategic. Not strategic for winning the election, no. More strategic for what comes afterward if he wins. Trump already won an election. Winning the election isn’t the hard part for him. He has good instincts for appealing who he needs to in order to win. Welding the power afterward is where he utterly failed overall in his first term. He cannot accomplish much unless he totally owns the Republican party from top to bottom. He’s betting that Vance will be not just his legacy but also one of his enforcers in the Party. Then he has to weld the Party like a weapon against the Washington establishment. All assuming the truth of some of my pet theories such as: 1. People become their stereotypes as defined by their enemies. 2. Trump is Dracula.
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Post by tonyroma on Jul 23, 2024 23:39:49 GMT -5
So legacy not particularly strategic. Not strategic for winning the election, no. More strategic for what comes afterward if he wins. Trump already won an election. Winning the election isn’t the hard part for him. He has good instincts for appealing who he needs to in order to win. Welding the power afterward is where he utterly failed overall in his first term. He cannot accomplish much unless he totally owns the Republican party from top to bottom. He’s betting that Vance will be not just his legacy but also one of his enforcers in the Party. Then he has to weld the Party like a weapon against the Washington establishment. All assuming the truth of some of my pet theories such as: 1. People become their stereotypes as defined by their enemies. 2. Trump is Dracula. Well you gotta win before you can take on the establishment, down ticket as well. I’m not sure Vance is getting him closer to the first mentioned goal.
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Post by dragonbait on Jul 24, 2024 5:59:55 GMT -5
Trump is Hitler. Oh wait he’s super popular again. Trump is the savior of the nation sent down from god. What Vance is saying is “Hitlers a good guy”
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Post by cadman on Jul 24, 2024 7:49:52 GMT -5
Not strategic for winning the election, no. More strategic for what comes afterward if he wins. Trump already won an election. Winning the election isn’t the hard part for him. He has good instincts for appealing who he needs to in order to win. Welding the power afterward is where he utterly failed overall in his first term. He cannot accomplish much unless he totally owns the Republican party from top to bottom. He’s betting that Vance will be not just his legacy but also one of his enforcers in the Party. Then he has to weld the Party like a weapon against the Washington establishment. All assuming the truth of some of my pet theories such as: 1. People become their stereotypes as defined by their enemies. 2. Trump is Dracula. Well you gotta win before you can take on the establishment, down ticket as well. I’m not sure Vance is getting him closer to the first mentioned goal. Read this morning that Harris has narrowed down her VP pick to Senator Kelly of Arkansas and Governor Josh Shapiro o Pennsylvania. Both are very valuable to win the election. Shapiro would give her Pennsylvania and 19 delegates in a battleground state. I think Trump sees loyalty in Vance, but he does nothing to increase the chances of winning. But at the time, with Biden as his opponent, Trump likely thought he didn't need any help from a future VP pick. He was coasting to victory. I bet if he could make that choice now, Vance would not be his selection.
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Post by cadman on Jul 24, 2024 8:53:11 GMT -5
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Post by ferris1248 on Jul 24, 2024 10:00:43 GMT -5
It just gets more interesting.
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Post by dragonbait on Jul 24, 2024 10:11:03 GMT -5
Did you know he has a soft spot for sofas
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 24, 2024 11:17:39 GMT -5
Well you gotta win before you can take on the establishment, down ticket as well. I’m not sure Vance is getting him closer to the first mentioned goal. Read this morning that Harris has narrowed down her VP pick to Senator Kelly of Arkansas and Governor Josh Shapiro o Pennsylvania. Both are very valuable to win the election. Shapiro would give her Pennsylvania and 19 delegates in a battleground state. I think Trump sees loyalty in Vance, but he does nothing to increase the chances of winning. But at the time, with Biden as his opponent, Trump likely thought he didn't need any help from a future VP pick. He was coasting to victory. I bet if he could make that choice now, Vance would not be his selection. I don’t believe anyone who matters was seriously believing Biden was going to stay in at the time Trump announced Vance. The writing on the wall was obvious to everyone. There was no way Biden could stay in with the entire liberal media establishment running negative stories about him for the purpose of making him step down. Trump has to frame the election as “real Americans” vs crazy leftists. Harris has to frame is as “Trump the Obnoxious One vs everyone else.” Vance may help Trump draw the ideological distinction.
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 24, 2024 11:40:40 GMT -5
Trump is already showing signs of buyer's remorse when it comes to Vance. MAGA finds him boring and stiff.
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Post by johngalt on Jul 24, 2024 12:03:40 GMT -5
Trump is already showing signs of buyer's remorse when it comes to Vance. MAGA finds him boring and stiff. More bullshit. Instead of worrying about a VP you might want to pay attention to your propaganda machine and get on board about how great the idiot from San Francisco is and how she has worked to save the world. 😉
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 24, 2024 12:26:17 GMT -5
Trump is already showing signs of buyer's remorse when it comes to Vance. MAGA finds him boring and stiff. That’s the liberal media spin. They’re all in for Harris now that they got Biden out. So its predictable that from ABC, NBC and its spawn, CBS, CNN, and the major papers, they’re going to do nothing but protect and promote Harris and run any negative story they can make up about Trump/Vance.
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 24, 2024 12:35:34 GMT -5
Trump is already showing signs of buyer's remorse when it comes to Vance. MAGA finds him boring and stiff. That’s the liberal media spin. They’re all in for Harris now that they got Biden out. So its predictable that from ABC, NBC and its spawn, CBS, CNN, and the major papers, they’re going to do nothing but protect and promote Harris and run any negative story they can make up about Trump/Vance. Maybe, but it's plain as day the guy's a stiff. Personally, like I've said, I'm happy with the choice because of all the video baggage.
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Post by cadman on Jul 24, 2024 12:43:08 GMT -5
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Post by gardawg on Jul 24, 2024 13:13:55 GMT -5
I heard that the MAGA heads are already measuring his neck size ... you know ... just in case
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2024 14:32:44 GMT -5
View AttachmentI heard that the MAGA heads are already measuring his neck size ... you know ... just in case
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 24, 2024 14:40:43 GMT -5
That’s the liberal media spin. They’re all in for Harris now that they got Biden out. So its predictable that from ABC, NBC and its spawn, CBS, CNN, and the major papers, they’re going to do nothing but protect and promote Harris and run any negative story they can make up about Trump/Vance. Maybe, but it's plain as day the guy's a stiff. Personally, like I've said, I'm happy with the choice because of all the video baggage. All depends on who she picks. And that will be 100% on her either being shrewd or stupid. For instance, picking Buttigieg would be foolish. He’s an obnoxious liberal, gay, man who’s name looks like “butt-gag.” It would frame the election in the best possible terms for Trump and fulfill that “crazy leftist” narrative.
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Post by cadman on Jul 24, 2024 14:43:30 GMT -5
Maybe, but it's plain as day the guy's a stiff. Personally, like I've said, I'm happy with the choice because of all the video baggage. All depends on who she picks. And that will be 100% on her either being shrewd or stupid. For instance, picking Buttigieg would be foolish. He’s an obnoxious liberal, gay, man who’s name looks like “butt-gag.” It would frame the election in the best possible terms for Trump and fulfill that “crazy leftist” narrative. Buttigieg is not under consideration. It appears to be either Josh Shapiro or Mark Kelly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2024 14:47:36 GMT -5
View AttachmentI heard that the MAGA heads are already measuring his neck size ... you know ... just in case Good thing somebody likes you .
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Post by ferris1248 on Jul 24, 2024 14:50:00 GMT -5
What's not to like?
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