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Post by bullfrog on Jul 11, 2024 10:51:38 GMT -5
Very funny, considering how cut throat is the Democratic Party establishment and their puppet media is to their own when they step out of line. The liberal media wants Biden to step aside. They’ve wanted it for a long time. I’ve pointed it out in many other threads over the past year. The party establishment has been resisting. Therefore the media reports have been muted. Now its a bloodbath, because they all fear the Orange Man above all. They didn’t think Trump could win again. Now they know he can against Biden. So all bets, and all loyalty, is off. Party victory above all. Even if they have to cast off their elderly weight to do it. What we’re seeing now wouldn’t be happening if corporate media didn’t want it. Suppose Clooney made the comments anyhow. It wouldn’t be reported on in mainstream media but for the establishment now being against Biden. Even the media admits they’ve been a part of a political conspiracy of silence about Biden’s cognitive decline. This didn’t come out of the blue. Everyone in Washington has known. You and the other Leftists actually owe everyone an apology for every time over the last 2 years someone on the Right pointed out Biden’s mental decline and you ridiculed them for it. They were correct and you were wrong. The Left was praising the lavish clothing choices of a naked emperor. Well said. 👍 Not just an apology for the cover up of Bidens health but other cover ups such as the laptop contents, the Russia hoax, Covid, the Vaccine hoax and participation in the coup attempt. The damage they have caused is immense for both foreign policy and the distrust of government by the people. For the sake of argument, let’s take Covid and the vaccine off the table. People will be arguing those things for years to come until time tells the tale. But the laptop and Russia hoax are indisputable facts. The Russian collusion theory and related laptop denials have been proven to be partisan lies, told by prominent members of the Intelligence community. They’re either knowing liars or incompetent and should be removed either way. Here is the delicious irony. The Right has been saying for years that Hunter Biden is a dirtbag that needs to be as far removed from the Oval Office as possible. The center of the laptop conspiracy was that Hunter was selling influence over his father to the highest bidder for Hunter’s own gain. Hunter, being a white collar crackhead at the time. So now all signs indicate that Hunter is holding very strong influence over the President at this moment and is encouraging him to stay in the race. If Hunter prevails and convinces his father to stay in, Trump will own the next 4 years. We’ll have to see how it plays out. I’m not convinced Biden survives as a candidate against this entire revolt by the Party. If he does stay in, it will be because of Hunter and it will specifically be because Hunter holds the very undue influence over Biden that the Right has been warning about and the Left has been denying. That will be so satisfying if it plays out that way. Leftist operatives are probably offering Hunter all the magic white powder he wants to talk his father down.
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Post by tankered on Jul 11, 2024 10:52:58 GMT -5
Tell me exactly what law he broke, cad, and why it wasn't picked up by prosecutors years before.
I'll wait patiently..
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Post by cadman on Jul 11, 2024 11:03:26 GMT -5
Tell me exactly what law he broke, cad, and why it wasn't picked up by prosecutors years before. I'll wait patiently.. The one you claim the statute of limitations ran out on. I believe they call it falsifying business records. Why it wasn't picked up sooner is the same reason it takes the IRS years to realize some are not paying their taxes sometimes. There are only so many auditors looking over millions of returns. Sometimes they slip through or don't get caught at the first glance. Then something happens that calls attention to the issue, like Cohen getting caught for something else and spilling the beans about hooker payments.
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Post by oldbastard on Jul 11, 2024 11:07:44 GMT -5
I just can't stop laughing, I'd be embarrassed to admit I was a Democrat.
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Post by meateater on Jul 11, 2024 11:18:34 GMT -5
ok cad,,,,,,,,,well as long as its your vote that gets cancelled out by some brazillion guy cleaning pools for 50.00 a month taking away the 90.00 a month some american citizen was getting im fine with it.
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 11, 2024 11:22:06 GMT -5
But the FACT is that's what you got. "Convicted criminal". Are you really this stupid? An 8 year old case, far past the statute of limitations, resurrected by a partisan hack prosecutor, over a perfectly legal NDA. Yea...nothing to see here... He was convicted by a jury of his hometown peers, but do go on about respect for law and order
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2024 11:51:33 GMT -5
But the FACT is that's what you got. "Convicted criminal". Are you really this stupid? An 8 year old case, far past the statute of limitations, resurrected by a partisan hack prosecutor, over a perfectly legal NDA. Yea...nothing to see here... He was convicted by a jury of his hometown peers, but do go on about respect for law and order Think about this for a moment - " cyclist as a juror on a Trump trial "
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 11, 2024 12:06:31 GMT -5
He was convicted by a jury of his hometown peers, but do go on about respect for law and order Think about this for a moment - " cyclist as a juror on a Trump trial " Oh, you really want to dive into jury bias? We can start in the deep South and death penalty cases if you like.
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Post by tampaspicer on Jul 11, 2024 12:08:46 GMT -5
The entire political system is FUCKED
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Post by Tarponator on Jul 11, 2024 15:48:48 GMT -5
It's almost like they have the freedom to disagree and not be labeled an america-hater for voicing them. Funny how that works. Very funny, considering how cut throat is the Democratic Party establishment and their puppet media is to their own when they step out of line. The liberal media wants Biden to step aside. They’ve wanted it for a long time. I’ve pointed it out in many other threads over the past year. The party establishment has been resisting. Therefore the media reports have been muted. Now its a bloodbath, because they all fear the Orange Man above all. They didn’t think Trump could win again. Now they know he can against Biden. So all bets, and all loyalty, is off. Party victory above all. Even if they have to cast off their elderly weight to do it. What we’re seeing now wouldn’t be happening if corporate media didn’t want it. Suppose Clooney made the comments anyhow. It wouldn’t be reported on in mainstream media but for the establishment now being against Biden. Even the media admits they’ve been a part of a political conspiracy of silence about Biden’s cognitive decline. This didn’t come out of the blue. Everyone in Washington has known. You and the other Leftists actually owe everyone an apology for every time over the last 2 years someone on the Right pointed out Biden’s mental decline and you ridiculed them for it. They were correct and you were wrong. The Left was praising the lavish clothing choices of a naked emperor.
I have ridiculed a lot of people for a lot of things on this forum over the past two years, but I have not -- not even once --- ridiculed anyone over pointing out Biden's decline. Nor have I denied it -- and I challenge you to show otherwise.
You can say what you want about the media and Democratic party -- I am a member of neither -- but stop lying about me, Bullfrog, and apologize for your false and libelous words.
Remember: Thou shall not bear false witness. Very funny, indeed.
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Post by johngalt on Jul 11, 2024 17:11:47 GMT -5
Well said. 👍 Not just an apology for the cover up of Bidens health but other cover ups such as the laptop contents, the Russia hoax, Covid, the Vaccine hoax and participation in the coup attempt. The damage they have caused is immense for both foreign policy and the distrust of government by the people. For the sake of argument, let’s take Covid and the vaccine off the table. People will be arguing those things for years to come until time tells the tale. But the laptop and Russia hoax are indisputable facts. The Russian collusion theory and related laptop denials have been proven to be partisan lies, told by prominent members of the Intelligence community. They’re either knowing liars or incompetent and should be removed either way. Here is the delicious irony. The Right has been saying for years that Hunter Biden is a dirtbag that needs to be as far removed from the Oval Office as possible. The center of the laptop conspiracy was that Hunter was selling influence over his father to the highest bidder for Hunter’s own gain. Hunter, being a white collar crackhead at the time. So now all signs indicate that Hunter is holding very strong influence over the President at this moment and is encouraging him to stay in the race. If Hunter prevails and convinces his father to stay in, Trump will own the next 4 years. We’ll have to see how it plays out. I’m not convinced Biden survives as a candidate against this entire revolt by the Party. If he does stay in, it will be because of Hunter and it will specifically be because Hunter holds the very undue influence over Biden that the Right has been warning about and the Left has been denying. That will be so satisfying if it plays out that way. Leftist operatives are probably offering Hunter all the magic white powder he wants to talk his father down. Let’s not forget her highness Doctor Jill. She is the epitome of a gold digger wife. Her allowing her husband to be put through this mess is nothing more than elder abuse. She’s not giving up the trappings of the Whitehouse without a fight.
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 11, 2024 17:39:30 GMT -5
Very funny, considering how cut throat is the Democratic Party establishment and their puppet media is to their own when they step out of line. The liberal media wants Biden to step aside. They’ve wanted it for a long time. I’ve pointed it out in many other threads over the past year. The party establishment has been resisting. Therefore the media reports have been muted. Now its a bloodbath, because they all fear the Orange Man above all. They didn’t think Trump could win again. Now they know he can against Biden. So all bets, and all loyalty, is off. Party victory above all. Even if they have to cast off their elderly weight to do it. What we’re seeing now wouldn’t be happening if corporate media didn’t want it. Suppose Clooney made the comments anyhow. It wouldn’t be reported on in mainstream media but for the establishment now being against Biden. Even the media admits they’ve been a part of a political conspiracy of silence about Biden’s cognitive decline. This didn’t come out of the blue. Everyone in Washington has known. You and the other Leftists actually owe everyone an apology for every time over the last 2 years someone on the Right pointed out Biden’s mental decline and you ridiculed them for it. They were correct and you were wrong. The Left was praising the lavish clothing choices of a naked emperor.
I have ridiculed a lot of people for a lot of things on this forum over the past two years, but I have not -- not even once --- ridiculed anyone over pointing out Biden's decline. Nor have I denied it -- and I challenge you to show otherwise.
You can say what you want about the media and Democratic party -- I am a member of neither -- but stop lying about me, Bullfrog, and apologize for your false and libelous words.
Remember: Thou shall not bear false witness. Very funny, indeed.
I’ll do some searching to see. But you speak for the pro-Biden Leftists anyhow. You’re still on the hook and you can still apologize for the guilt of your faction that you share in, unless you can show me where you’ve spoken against fellow Leftists lying about his decline. Or spoken up to defend conservatives pointing it out. If you’ve observed Biden’s decline, perceived it, and sat in silence, you’re a part of the problem. Just as the media and Democratic establishment has as a whole.
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Post by Tarponator on Jul 11, 2024 17:44:21 GMT -5
Sorry, but I speak for myself and nobody else.
Good luck in your search. Please do post the results and I look forward to your apology.
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 11, 2024 17:58:20 GMT -5
Sorry, but I speak for myself and nobody else. Good luck in your search. Please do post the results and I look forward to your apology. For the reason you claim to be entitled to one, you won’t receive one from me regardless at this time. First, I don’t believe I owe you one either way. You’re very arrogant towards the Rightists on here. Which fine, whatever. I somewhat don’t care and I don’t dislike you for it. That’s how it rolls in the political forum. But I perceive your offense to be feigned. You don’t care if I lump you in with the other Leftists or not. So second, its somewhat irrelevant how much you’ve posted about it. I would only consider myself to have stepped in the doo doo and wronged you if you’ve actually spoken in defense of conservatives or Rightists on the issue. Then I would say “ok, I was wrong.” But if you’ve at best been silent about it, I see it as the same as all your other ridicules. You are of the Left, and your side have ridiculed the Right to no end about Biden’s decline.
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 11, 2024 18:04:04 GMT -5
For the sake of argument, let’s take Covid and the vaccine off the table. People will be arguing those things for years to come until time tells the tale. But the laptop and Russia hoax are indisputable facts. The Russian collusion theory and related laptop denials have been proven to be partisan lies, told by prominent members of the Intelligence community. They’re either knowing liars or incompetent and should be removed either way. Here is the delicious irony. The Right has been saying for years that Hunter Biden is a dirtbag that needs to be as far removed from the Oval Office as possible. The center of the laptop conspiracy was that Hunter was selling influence over his father to the highest bidder for Hunter’s own gain. Hunter, being a white collar crackhead at the time. So now all signs indicate that Hunter is holding very strong influence over the President at this moment and is encouraging him to stay in the race. If Hunter prevails and convinces his father to stay in, Trump will own the next 4 years. We’ll have to see how it plays out. I’m not convinced Biden survives as a candidate against this entire revolt by the Party. If he does stay in, it will be because of Hunter and it will specifically be because Hunter holds the very undue influence over Biden that the Right has been warning about and the Left has been denying. That will be so satisfying if it plays out that way. Leftist operatives are probably offering Hunter all the magic white powder he wants to talk his father down. Let’s not forget her highness Doctor Jill. She is the epitome of a gold digger wife. Her allowing her husband to be put through this mess is nothing more than elder abuse. She’s not giving up the trappings of the Whitehouse without a fight. That's rich considering Trump's wife's a hooker, and he's a rapist.
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Post by OhMy on Jul 11, 2024 18:12:41 GMT -5
Biden introduces Ukraine president Zelensky as president Putin at end of NATO conference.
Turn the blind eye !!!
Everyone is watching this guy and he just continues to fuck up.
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 11, 2024 18:14:05 GMT -5
Let’s not forget her highness Doctor Jill. She is the epitome of a gold digger wife. Her allowing her husband to be put through this mess is nothing more than elder abuse. She’s not giving up the trappings of the Whitehouse without a fight. That's rich considering Trump's wife's a hooker, and he's a rapist. Trump has not been established to be a rapist. See Tarp’s post about confusing criminal and civil liability, and also see the civil jury’s rejection of the civil rape claim, which has been pointed out many times. Your claim is false as it stands now. And Melania is a hooker?
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Post by cadman on Jul 11, 2024 18:41:47 GMT -5
Biden introduces Ukraine president Zelensky as president Putin at end of NATO conference. Turn the blind eye !!! Everyone is watching this guy and he just continues to fuck up. He just called VP Harris VP Trump.
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 11, 2024 18:44:21 GMT -5
Biden introduces Ukraine president Zelensky as president Putin at end of NATO conference. Turn the blind eye !!! Everyone is watching this guy and he just continues to fuck up. He just called VP Harris VP Trump. I don’t see how he survives this at this point. I really can’t. It will be completely illogical if he remains. Of course, trying telling a senile old man with power that’s he’s senile and needs to give up his power, and watch what happens. He’ll double down every time. But they’re way to overrule someone. I’m wondering if that will happen here. Can the Party remove him via the delegates abandoning him?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2024 18:46:52 GMT -5
Just a sad situation they are in.
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Post by johngalt on Jul 11, 2024 18:53:57 GMT -5
Biden introduces Ukraine president Zelensky as president Putin at end of NATO conference. Turn the blind eye !!! Everyone is watching this guy and he just continues to fuck up. He just called VP Harris VP Trump. I’m glad I’m not the only one who heard that!😂
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Post by johngalt on Jul 11, 2024 18:54:41 GMT -5
He is starting the creepy whispering. 🫣
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Post by Tarponator on Jul 11, 2024 18:55:40 GMT -5
Sorry, but I speak for myself and nobody else. Good luck in your search. Please do post the results and I look forward to your apology. For the reason you claim to be entitled to one, you won’t receive one from me regardless at this time. First, I don’t believe I owe you one either way. You’re very arrogant towards the Rightists on here. Which fine, whatever. I somewhat don’t care and I don’t dislike you for it. That’s how it rolls in the political forum. But I perceive your offense to be feigned. You don’t care if I lump you in with the other Leftists or not. So second, its somewhat irrelevant how much you’ve posted about it. I would only consider myself to have stepped in the doo doo and wronged you if you’ve actually spoken in defense of conservatives or Rightists on the issue. Then I would say “ok, I was wrong.” But if you’ve at best been silent about it, I see it as the same as all your other ridicules. You are of the Left, and your side have ridiculed the Right to no end about Biden’s decline. Except, of course, I never did what you very plainly accused me of doing. Now, you back off and double down on the generalizations. Which is fine, I somewhat don't care and I don't dislike you for it either. That's how it rolls in the political forum, 'ya know?
And of course my offense is feigned, I was aping your own apologetic tone as sarcasm. I do it quite often, in case you had not noticed in your haste to lump people together and equate silence as disagreement.
But forget all that, you were wrong, and I look forward to you stating it as such.
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Post by cadman on Jul 11, 2024 18:56:36 GMT -5
He just called VP Harris VP Trump. I don’t see how he survives this at this point. I really can’t. It will be completely illogical if he remains. Of course, trying telling a senile old man with power that’s he’s senile and needs to give up his power, and watch what happens. He’ll double down every time. But they’re way to overrule someone. I’m wondering if that will happen here. Can the Party remove him via the delegates abandoning him? Theoretically, they could, but it would hurt the party. There are only two scenarios that work. One is Biden drops out of the race and releases his delegates or endorses a successor. The other would be for Harris and his cabinet to invoke the 25th and remove him from office. But congress would need to agree and if Trump thinks he could beat Biden easier than a replacement, he could have them fight it. Which would be an odd scenario. I think anything else would likely assure Trump wins with a fractured Democrat party
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Post by Tarponator on Jul 11, 2024 18:57:50 GMT -5
He just called VP Harris VP Trump. I don’t see how he survives this at this point. I really can’t. It will be completely illogical if he remains. Of course, trying telling a senile old man with power that’s he’s senile and needs to give up his power, and watch what happens. He’ll double down every time. But they’re way to overrule someone. I’m wondering if that will happen here. Can the Party remove him via the delegates abandoning him? His wife, son, or doctor convincing him would be my guess. As I understand things, his delegates are already bound.
And since you seem unclear on my own position, as opposed to the "left" in your partisan mind, I think he should have never run again.
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Post by johngalt on Jul 11, 2024 19:00:38 GMT -5
I don’t see how he survives this at this point. I really can’t. It will be completely illogical if he remains. Of course, trying telling a senile old man with power that’s he’s senile and needs to give up his power, and watch what happens. He’ll double down every time. But they’re way to overrule someone. I’m wondering if that will happen here. Can the Party remove him via the delegates abandoning him? Theoretically, they could, but it would hurt the party. There are only two scenarios that work. One is Biden drops out of the race and releases his delegates or endorses a successor. The other would be for Harris and his cabinet to invoke the 25th and remove him from office. But congress would need to agree and if Trump thinks he could beat Biden easier than a replacement, he could have them fight it. Which would be an odd scenario. I think anything else would likely assure Trump wins with a fractured Democrat party You are forgetting one important fact. Money. According to the law Harris has to be moved to the top of the ticket if Biden drops out or is removed. Or else all that money has to be returned.
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Post by Tarponator on Jul 11, 2024 19:01:10 GMT -5
What law is that?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2024 19:04:31 GMT -5
He should just stay hidden like he did last election.
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Post by cadman on Jul 11, 2024 19:05:18 GMT -5
I don’t see how he survives this at this point. I really can’t. It will be completely illogical if he remains. Of course, trying telling a senile old man with power that’s he’s senile and needs to give up his power, and watch what happens. He’ll double down every time. But they’re way to overrule someone. I’m wondering if that will happen here. Can the Party remove him via the delegates abandoning him? His wife, son, or doctor convincing him would be my guess. As I understand things, his delegates are already bound.
And since you seem unclear on my own position, as opposed to the "left" in your partisan mind, I think he should have never run again.
They are bound by DNC rule, but that can be changed. The scenario would be to get enough to abandon Biden so he does not win the first round. Once that happens, delegates are free to vote for anyone and the Super delegates are then allowed to vote. In affect the Super Delegates would determine who the nominee was.
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Post by cadman on Jul 11, 2024 19:12:23 GMT -5
Theoretically, they could, but it would hurt the party. There are only two scenarios that work. One is Biden drops out of the race and releases his delegates or endorses a successor. The other would be for Harris and his cabinet to invoke the 25th and remove him from office. But congress would need to agree and if Trump thinks he could beat Biden easier than a replacement, he could have them fight it. Which would be an odd scenario. I think anything else would likely assure Trump wins with a fractured Democrat party You are forgetting one important fact. Money. According to the law Harris has to be moved to the top of the ticket if Biden drops out or is removed. Or else all that money has to be returned. Not true, if Harris was still the VP she could claim and spend the money. If the Dems pick two new candidates, general election funds could be transferred to a Super PAC and the primary funds would go to the DNC. The FEC would have the final say, but there are options. www.yahoo.com/news/heres-what-happens-to-bidens-campaign-funds-if-he-withdraws-152819051.html
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