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Post by johnnybandit on Jul 10, 2024 18:17:40 GMT -5
I doubt she is a coydog..... I Would be confident she is a cross between the Australian Shepherd Mother and the Great Pyr that is supposed to be her father....
The intelligence and learning things so quickly at a young age....Is definitely a herding dog thing.... And opinions vary.... But herding dogs are smarter, learn faster, learn complex commands at a very young age, have longer attention spans when it comes to training sessions... And can learn extremely complex commands...
I have worked with a couple of coydogs when I was actively training.... An A couple of coyotes that were caught young and raised as pets.... And several foxes and some wolf crosses..... Very difficult to train.... They do not have the focus nor the breeding to focus on you... They are not dumb... They are rather intelligent... But the areas in which dogs are intelligent are very different than where wild canids are intelligent.... And the sporting (bird dogs), working and especially the herding dogs are wired if you will, to work with and for humans... So they have an extreme desire to work with you... Wild Canids have zero desire or motivation to work with you....
The Good.... And I think VERY good thing for you..... Is that most herding breeds do not tend to harm livestock.... Herdy things may herd your chickens... but most often they will not harm them...... And Livestock guardian Dogs... Which a great Pyr is one.... Are pretty much hard wired to not harm livestock and to protect them at all costs.... That is a bonus for you..... And both Herders and LGDs are hard wired to protect their people or person at all costs from all comers....
Chances are... you have a damn fine dog that will be your child's friend and protector for many years.........
The dog DNA kits are not always accurate... when it comes to younger breeds (like under two hundred years old) And Aussies have not been around 200 years.... You are likely to get odd results......
By the way..... In case you did not know... Australian Shepherds are not from Australia.... Their origins are in the Basque region of Spain... Basque Sheep herders immigrated to Australia and took their dogs with them.... Later some of the Basque sheep herders immigrated to the Western US... And took their dogs with them.... The dog we know as Australian Shepherds are an American Breed... Developed from dogs that came from Spain by way of Australia...
Also... you should resign yourself to the fact that the dog is going to sleep with your daughter.... Herdy things HATE to be away from their Human... And Livestock Guardian Dogs hate to be away from those they feel they should protect.... Once that dog becomes attached to your daughter... It's strongest desire is going to be that it NEEDS to be near her at all times when it is home.
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 10, 2024 18:28:07 GMT -5
I doubt she is a coydog..... I Would be confident she is a cross between the Australian Shepherd Mother and the Great Pyr that is supposed to be her father.... The intelligence and learning things so quickly at a young age....Is definitely a herding dog thing.... And opinions vary.... But herding dogs are smarter, learn faster, learn complex commands at a very young age, have longer attention spans when it comes to training sessions... And can learn extremely complex commands... I have worked with a couple of coydogs when I was actively training.... An A couple of coyotes that were caught young and raised as pets.... And several foxes and some wolf crosses..... Very difficult to train.... They do not have the focus nor the breeding to focus on you... They are not dumb... They are rather intelligent... But the areas in which dogs are intelligent are very different than where wild canids are intelligent.... And the sporting (bird dogs), working and especially the herding dogs are wired if you will, to work with and for humans... So they have an extreme desire to work with you... Wild Canids have zero desire or motivation to work with you.... The Good.... And I think VERY good thing for you..... Is that most herding breeds do not tend to harm livestock.... Herdy things may herd your chickens... but most often they will not harm them...... And Livestock guardian Dogs... Which a great Pyr is one.... Are pretty much hard wired to not harm livestock and to protect them at all costs.... That is a bonus for you..... And both Herders and LGDs are hard wired to protect their people or person at all costs from all comers.... Chances are... you have a damn fine dog that will be your child's friend and protector for many years......... The dog DNA kits are not always accurate... when it comes to younger breeds (like under two hundred years old) And Aussies have not been around 200 years.... You are likely to get odd results...... By the way..... In case you did not know... Australian Shepherds are not from Australia.... Their origins are in the Basque region of Spain... Basque Sheep herders immigrated to Australia and took their dogs with them.... Later some of the Basque sheep herders immigrated to the Western US... And took their dogs with them.... The dog we know as Australian Shepherds are an American Breed... Developed from dogs that came from Spain by way of Australia... Also... you should resign yourself to the fact that the dog is going to sleep with your daughter.... Herdy things HATE to be away from their Human... And Livestock Guardian Dogs hate to be away from those they feel they should protect.... Once that dog becomes attached to your daughter... It's strongest desire is going to be that it NEEDS to be near her at all times when it is home. Thank you for your insight. I will make her sleep outside though. I will win that battle against her if she tries me. She serves no purpose to me if she isn’t guarding the farm at night. She enjoys being outside so much though that I think she’s transition to it fine when the time comes. She already would rather be outside. My male bulldog is close to my daughter. But he’s still content to sleep outside. They are still animals after all, and I think the outside woods offers too much fun for them. Too many interesting smells and things to get into. |
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Post by cadman on Jul 10, 2024 18:44:34 GMT -5
Nice looking Pup.
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Post by johnnybandit on Jul 10, 2024 19:52:34 GMT -5
I doubt she is a coydog..... I Would be confident she is a cross between the Australian Shepherd Mother and the Great Pyr that is supposed to be her father.... The intelligence and learning things so quickly at a young age....Is definitely a herding dog thing.... And opinions vary.... But herding dogs are smarter, learn faster, learn complex commands at a very young age, have longer attention spans when it comes to training sessions... And can learn extremely complex commands... I have worked with a couple of coydogs when I was actively training.... An A couple of coyotes that were caught young and raised as pets.... And several foxes and some wolf crosses..... Very difficult to train.... They do not have the focus nor the breeding to focus on you... They are not dumb... They are rather intelligent... But the areas in which dogs are intelligent are very different than where wild canids are intelligent.... And the sporting (bird dogs), working and especially the herding dogs are wired if you will, to work with and for humans... So they have an extreme desire to work with you... Wild Canids have zero desire or motivation to work with you.... The Good.... And I think VERY good thing for you..... Is that most herding breeds do not tend to harm livestock.... Herdy things may herd your chickens... but most often they will not harm them...... And Livestock guardian Dogs... Which a great Pyr is one.... Are pretty much hard wired to not harm livestock and to protect them at all costs.... That is a bonus for you..... And both Herders and LGDs are hard wired to protect their people or person at all costs from all comers.... Chances are... you have a damn fine dog that will be your child's friend and protector for many years......... The dog DNA kits are not always accurate... when it comes to younger breeds (like under two hundred years old) And Aussies have not been around 200 years.... You are likely to get odd results...... By the way..... In case you did not know... Australian Shepherds are not from Australia.... Their origins are in the Basque region of Spain... Basque Sheep herders immigrated to Australia and took their dogs with them.... Later some of the Basque sheep herders immigrated to the Western US... And took their dogs with them.... The dog we know as Australian Shepherds are an American Breed... Developed from dogs that came from Spain by way of Australia... Also... you should resign yourself to the fact that the dog is going to sleep with your daughter.... Herdy things HATE to be away from their Human... And Livestock Guardian Dogs hate to be away from those they feel they should protect.... Once that dog becomes attached to your daughter... It's strongest desire is going to be that it NEEDS to be near her at all times when it is home. Thank you for your insight. I will make her sleep outside though. I will win that battle against her if she tries me. She serves no purpose to me if she isn’t guarding the farm at night. She enjoys being outside so much though that I think she’s transition to it fine when the time comes. She already would rather be outside. My male bulldog is close to my daughter. But he’s still content to sleep outside. They are still animals after all, and I think the outside woods offers too much fun for them. Too many interesting smells and things to get into. You MAY win the sleep outside battle...... But it will be a hard fought battle.... And when you say she is no use to you inside..... you already have two good dogs outside..... What is more useful than a a Dang good dog that is both physically capable and has an "at all costs" mindset to protect what is most precious in your life? Your family...
I know you are more than capable and likely well if not over prepared.... And it will PROBABLY never happen... but sometimes we need to think about the unthinkable.... I do.... A damn good dog inside the house is a value....
And a Herder/LGD cross is probable going to stay close to the house anyway.... To protect what it cares about the most. |
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Jul 10, 2024 19:54:46 GMT -5
Might be some Shepard in there somewhere
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Post by johnnybandit on Jul 10, 2024 20:12:29 GMT -5
Might be some Shepard in there somewhere I assure you that the is Zero Shepard in there.... and I can prove it in a second.... Want to bet? say a cool grand... payable now. |
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 10, 2024 20:16:37 GMT -5
Thank you for your insight. I will make her sleep outside though. I will win that battle against her if she tries me. She serves no purpose to me if she isn’t guarding the farm at night. She enjoys being outside so much though that I think she’s transition to it fine when the time comes. She already would rather be outside. My male bulldog is close to my daughter. But he’s still content to sleep outside. They are still animals after all, and I think the outside woods offers too much fun for them. Too many interesting smells and things to get into. You MAY win the sleep outside battle...... But it will be a hard fought battle.... And when you say she is no use to you inside..... you already have two good dogs outside..... What is more useful than a a Dang good dog that is both physically capable and has an "at all costs" mindset to protect what is most precious in your life? Your family...
I know you are more than capable and likely well if not over prepared.... And it will PROBABLY never happen... but sometimes we need to think about the unthinkable.... I do.... A damn good dog inside the house is a value....
And a Herder/LGD cross is probable going to stay close to the house anyway.... To protect what it cares about the most. The little white bulldog sleeps inside the house at night. This one:  |
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Post by Crkr 23 on Jul 10, 2024 20:30:09 GMT -5
The little white bulldog doesn't look real happy that someone has their nose stuck in her butt. Lol
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 10, 2024 21:10:59 GMT -5
Thank you for your insight. I will make her sleep outside though. I will win that battle against her if she tries me. She serves no purpose to me if she isn’t guarding the farm at night. She enjoys being outside so much though that I think she’s transition to it fine when the time comes. She already would rather be outside. My male bulldog is close to my daughter. But he’s still content to sleep outside. They are still animals after all, and I think the outside woods offers too much fun for them. Too many interesting smells and things to get into. You MAY win the sleep outside battle...... But it will be a hard fought battle.... And when you say she is no use to you inside..... you already have two good dogs outside..... What is more useful than a a Dang good dog that is both physically capable and has an "at all costs" mindset to protect what is most precious in your life? Your family...
I know you are more than capable and likely well if not over prepared.... And it will PROBABLY never happen... but sometimes we need to think about the unthinkable.... I do.... A damn good dog inside the house is a value....
And a Herder/LGD cross is probable going to stay close to the house anyway.... To protect what it cares about the most. Oh, you may not be aware that I put my hound down last week. I only briefly mentioned it in a different thread. All 3 dogs tangled with something and the bulldogs came out with minor injuries, but Faith had her belly tore open among other wounds. Appeared to be a boar hog based on the nature of the wounds. Could have been a bear but I think the damage would have looked different. This is my last picture of Faith. She was 12-13 years old at least. Her drive and energy levels were high, but she simply wasn’t as fast as she used to be.  The purpose of this new pup is to replace Faith. The bulldogs can catch, but they don’t react to smells across the farm like Faith did. |
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Jul 10, 2024 22:09:28 GMT -5
Might be some Shepard in there somewhere I assure you that the is Zero Shepard in there.... and I can prove it in a second.... Want to bet? say a cool grand... payable now. Ok. I'd have to care enough to bet a cent on it. It's a cute mutt. Hope it gives the young lady years of companionship and loyalty |
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Post by tonyroma on Jul 11, 2024 0:44:50 GMT -5
You MAY win the sleep outside battle...... But it will be a hard fought battle.... And when you say she is no use to you inside..... you already have two good dogs outside..... What is more useful than a a Dang good dog that is both physically capable and has an "at all costs" mindset to protect what is most precious in your life? Your family...
I know you are more than capable and likely well if not over prepared.... And it will PROBABLY never happen... but sometimes we need to think about the unthinkable.... I do.... A damn good dog inside the house is a value....
And a Herder/LGD cross is probable going to stay close to the house anyway.... To protect what it cares about the most. Oh, you may not be aware that I put my hound down last week. I only briefly mentioned it in a different thread. All 3 dogs tangled with something and the bulldogs came out with minor injuries, but Faith had her belly tore open among other wounds. Appeared to be a boar hog based on the nature of the wounds. Could have been a bear but I think the damage would have looked different. This is my last picture of Faith. She was 12-13 years old at least. Her drive and energy levels were high, but she simply wasn’t as fast as she used to be. The purpose of this new pup is to replace Faith. The bulldogs can catch, but they don’t react to smells across the farm like Faith did. I understand that farm life is different than the burbs. But I’d be a mess if something ripped my dog apart. |
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Jul 11, 2024 1:11:45 GMT -5
I love dogs more than people. If I could I would have a hundred.
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Post by bullfrog on Jul 11, 2024 3:22:20 GMT -5
Oh, you may not be aware that I put my hound down last week. I only briefly mentioned it in a different thread. All 3 dogs tangled with something and the bulldogs came out with minor injuries, but Faith had her belly tore open among other wounds. Appeared to be a boar hog based on the nature of the wounds. Could have been a bear but I think the damage would have looked different. This is my last picture of Faith. She was 12-13 years old at least. Her drive and energy levels were high, but she simply wasn’t as fast as she used to be. The purpose of this new pup is to replace Faith. The bulldogs can catch, but they don’t react to smells across the farm like Faith did. I understand that farm life is different than the burbs. But I’d be a mess if something ripped my dog apart. It would have got me harder had she been young. A good, healthy, dog that tragically dies young tears me up. One that dies old after a full life, even when the death isn’t the greatest (she was in much pain after she drug herself home) doesn’t bother me as bad. Many times Faith seemed like she was slowing down and was close to death within the last couple of years. The sort of behavior consistent with a dog about to slip off and die naturally. But then she’s get more life in her out of the blue, more than before. That’s how she was when she died. She had been going through a spell where she was very vibrant and active. Didn’t change the fact she couldn’t run anymore. The best she could do was trot. She could still catch snakes fast. I saw her do that recently. But I bet she couldn’t dodge fast enough and the hog caught her from behind. Something else was the day she died I won a hard-fought conviction in a trial I had been working on for a couple of weeks. It was grueling. So when I had to deal with putting her down that night, it wasn’t all that bad in comparison. What would have been bad would have been a child molester walking free. That would have kept me up at night. Saying goodbye to a good ,old, dog was a small potatoes compared to the satisfaction I was otherwise feeling. And I was slipping into “trial sickness,” which is a period of physical weakness that usually follows an intense jury trial. So the timing of dealing with it couldn’t have been better. I was strongly considering not getting a new dog. I didn’t really want one and Baby the bulldog is likely pregnant from Brunson. I figured we could wait for her pups and keep 2 instead of the 1 we were planning. But between Tuesday and the weekend the wildlife started acting up and we knew we needed to start a new pup now and it needed to be a breed that could smell better than the bulldogs. |
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Post by richm on Jul 11, 2024 5:58:07 GMT -5
Pretty dog.
Figure let the chickens trounce it now and then it will respect them in the future?
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Post by garycoleco on Jul 11, 2024 7:02:52 GMT -5
Coyotes breed like mad and apparently they're very charismatic. Dogs and wolves love them. They've all but wiped out red wolves and Carolina yella dogs. In North Georgia I use to see packs of yella dogs regularly until about 20 years ago. Theyre gone now
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