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Post by OhMy on Jul 2, 2024 7:07:54 GMT -5
This also means if President Biden ordered the the Jack Smith investigations he would be immune because they are within his official duties, any conversations with the justice department would be off limits. Talk about a can of worms. Do not worry. Tomorrow something else will happen that will divert your attention to the next crisis in your mind. Everything you speak of is speculation. This means this person could do this or that or this or that, etc. Take a deep breath, you will be ok.
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Post by cadman on Jul 2, 2024 7:45:15 GMT -5
Ford Pardoned him, so you are correct. Ford pardoned him because he knew prosecutors were going to prosecute. And I do believe presidents need immunity for official actions. But the way it reads all a president has to do is say it was an official action. All Nixon would have to say is we broke into watergate because we suspected terrorist activity. Huh, I was wrong but it was official. That is not what it says. The judicial body has to define what is and is not official acts. SCOTUS just punted this because they are trying to avoid that decision for now. Sooner or later, SCOTUS will have to lay a foundation of what is Presidential duties. In your example, Nixon could claim that for criminal charges. Would not stop his impeachment though. A judge would also have to be convinced that breaking into a private building without a search warrant was within the powers of the President and also question why law enforcement was not used. I doubt such a defense would hold up in court and the judge would rule that it was outside the duties of President. The court is allowed to look at the President's motives when making such a decision. In Nixon's case the motive is very obvious. The court will determine this in Trump's case now. What was Trump's motive in regards to his actions on January 6th. how did that impact his actions and were all of those actions within the powers of the President. Basically, when was he speaking as President and when was he speaking as a candidate. not an easy decision for sure. Without some broad definition of immunity for the office of President, every time a President left office, there would be a slew of lawsuits and criminal charges waiting for him for every decision that his opponents thought were not part of his core constitutional powers. It would be impossible to limit immunity to just that. It will have to be up to the judicial body, through cases such as Trump's to slowly define the limits of Presidential power. I do believe SCOTUS punted this one to avoid making that decision today and let it play out in the lower courts before having to weigh in, assuming it ever makes it back to SCOTUS.
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Post by cadman on Jul 2, 2024 7:53:45 GMT -5
This also means if President Biden ordered the the Jack Smith investigations he would be immune because they are within his official duties, any conversations with the justice department would be off limits. Talk about a can of worms. Not sure why conversations with the justice department would be off limits. Congress can talk to whomever they want at any time. they do have subpoena powers. The executive branch can fight it, as they have in the past. But Biden could order the justice department to have Jack Smith investigate anyone he wishes. That is within the President's powers even without this decision. Congress might have an issue with it and decide to impeach his ass, but he could do it. Trump wanted the justice department to go after Hillary when he was elected, but his advisors told him it would likely get him impeached if he did. But that would be immaterial to this discussion since we are discussing criminal and civil liability and the President ordering a special counsel to investigate someone is not a criminal activity. It might be impeachable if it was done for political reasons, but there is no crime involved. You are mixing up issues here. This decision regards criminal activity, not political paybacks. One can get you put in jail, the other can get you impeached.
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Post by luapnor on Jul 2, 2024 8:24:28 GMT -5
The Constitution clearly defines the duties of the president.
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Post by Stumpy on Jul 2, 2024 8:25:39 GMT -5
Cad, did you read what Justice Thomas wrote about the office of special counsel and Jack Smith? Worth a read if you hadn't .....
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Post by johngalt on Jul 2, 2024 8:36:06 GMT -5
Iβm getting a kick out of all the communist pundits freaking out about SEAL team Six coming after them!!ππππ
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Jul 2, 2024 8:57:27 GMT -5
The wrongs done by the leftist government people are slowly being corrected. Now all our country needs is for the perpetrators of these crimes to be prosecuted and punished.
Prosecution and punishment has to happen so that this type of abuse never happens again by any political party or person no matter who they are.
Severe punishment! The perpetrators of these crimes are the true threat to democracy.
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Post by cadman on Jul 2, 2024 10:19:44 GMT -5
Cad, did you read what Justice Thomas wrote about the office of special counsel and Jack Smith? Worth a read if you hadn't ..... Special counsel, special prosecutor, independent council are all the same thing and has been used since 1875 when Grant appointed the first one. They are authorized to be used when the appearance of independence within the justice department might be called into question. Thomas is in danger of unsetting 150 years of judicial work if he claims these special prosecutors are not authorized. Starr, who investigated Clinton was one. If he is correct, then the entire case against Clinton would need to be reversed and his perjury charge removed from the record. I think Thomas needs to resign personally. I doubt any of the other judges would agree with him.
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Post by cadman on Jul 2, 2024 10:22:08 GMT -5
The wrongs done by the leftist government people are slowly being corrected. Now all our country needs is for the perpetrators of these crimes to be prosecuted and punished. Prosecution and punishment has to happen so that this type of abuse never happens again by any political party or person no matter who they are. Severe punishment! The perpetrators of these crimes are the true threat to democracy. Biden has immunity according to the Supreme Court. Biden should give everyone involved in anything against Trump a Presidential pardon if he loses the election. Since he has immunity now, Trump would be unable to go after anyone.
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 2, 2024 11:29:21 GMT -5
The wrongs done by the leftist government people are slowly being corrected. Now all our country needs is for the perpetrators of these crimes to be prosecuted and punished. Prosecution and punishment has to happen so that this type of abuse never happens again by any political party or person no matter who they are. Severe punishment! The perpetrators of these crimes are the true threat to democracy. Biden has immunity according to the Supreme Court. Biden should give everyone involved in anything against Trump a Presidential pardon if he loses the election. Since he has immunity now, Trump would be unable to go after anyone. He should do all that. In addition to using every lever at the disposal of the office of the president, and any and all official acts, no matter how dubious, to simply stay in power.
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Post by dragonbait on Jul 2, 2024 11:38:56 GMT -5
He should also do everything he can to eliminate any and all enemies of the state, it will be easy to ID just look for red hats, gold shoes or stupid flags on their boats and trucks.
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Post by OhMy on Jul 2, 2024 11:41:51 GMT -5
He should also do everything he can to eliminate any and all enemies of the state, it will be easy to ID just look for red hats, gold shoes or stupid flags on their boats and trucks. If I walked by you with a red hat and a flag what would you do to me?
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Post by johngalt on Jul 2, 2024 11:47:13 GMT -5
He should also do everything he can to eliminate any and all enemies of the state, it will be easy to ID just look for red hats, gold shoes or stupid flags on their boats and trucks. You better watch yourself. SEAL team 6 has your number. ππ
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Post by toldya on Jul 2, 2024 12:38:18 GMT -5
The wrongs done by the leftist government people are slowly being corrected. Now all our country needs is for the perpetrators of these crimes to be prosecuted and punished. Prosecution and punishment has to happen so that this type of abuse never happens again by any political party or person no matter who they are. Severe punishment! The perpetrators of these crimes are the true threat to democracy. Biden has immunity according to the Supreme Court. Biden should give everyone involved in anything against Trump a Presidential pardon if he loses the election. Since he has immunity now, Trump would be unable to go after anyone. You said anyone that votes for Biden or Trump is unamerican . You still sound like a Biden supporter to me . Who is the candidate you are going to vote for that you think is not unamerican ?
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Post by biminitwisted on Jul 2, 2024 14:24:00 GMT -5
He should also do everything he can to eliminate any and all enemies of the state, it will be easy to ID just look for red hats, gold shoes or stupid flags on their boats and trucks. If I walked by you with a red hat and a flag what would you do to me? Chuckle and mock you, like I do all the other trump loving knuckleheads.
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