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Post by cadman on Jul 1, 2024 9:29:46 GMT -5
SCOTUS will issue the Presidential immunity order today. I think they decide the President has immunity while in office and for official duties. The only question is, will they determine Trump was not performing official duties or kick it back to the lower court to decide which will mean it ends up back with SCOTUS next session.
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Post by dragonbait on Jul 1, 2024 9:42:24 GMT -5
No immunity for unofficial acts.
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Post by meateater on Jul 1, 2024 10:03:55 GMT -5
another win for democrasy. the court has ruled.
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Post by luapnor on Jul 1, 2024 10:07:08 GMT -5
No surprise the three Karens on the court dissented.
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Post by misterjr on Jul 1, 2024 10:26:28 GMT -5
The Supreme Court says presidents have “absolute” immunity for clearly official acts, but no immunity for unofficial acts. Former president and presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump faces four federal felony counts in D.C. for allegedly trying to undo Joe Biden’s 2020 election victory. The high court’s 6-3 ruling sends the case back to the lower court to determine when and whether Trump will go to trial. The ruling capped a term marked by new conservative limits on the power of regulatory agencies and by a fresh round of ethics scandals for the justices, whose public approval ratings remain at historic lows. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/01/trump-presidential-immunity-supreme-court/
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Post by ferris1248 on Jul 1, 2024 10:38:35 GMT -5
Basically they punted.
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Post by cadman on Jul 1, 2024 11:29:49 GMT -5
Yep, but it was the right decision. Presidents do need immunity for official acts. But this will end back on their doorstep no matter which way the lower court rules, unless they decide to let the lower court ruling stand and not address it when comes back to them. SCOTUS may be considering if Trump wins in November, they won't have to make the ruling on what is and is not official acts and avoid the issue for now. It probably won't get back to SCOTUS until early next year and if Trump wins, he will kill the investigation with a new Attorney General.
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Post by hig on Jul 1, 2024 11:33:00 GMT -5
It's been kicked back to the same judge who already said he does not have immunity. This is from our local news station:
Before the Supreme Court got involved, a trial judge and a three-judge appellate panel had ruled unanimously that Trump can be prosecuted for actions undertaken while in the White House and in the run-up to Jan. 6.
“For the purpose of this criminal case, former President Trump has become citizen Trump, with all of the defenses of any other criminal defendant,” the appeals court wrote in February. “But any executive immunity that may have protected him while he served as President no longer protects him against this prosecution.”
Chutkan ruled against Trump’s immunity claim in December. In her ruling, Chutkan said the office of the president “does not confer a lifelong ‘get-out-of-jail-free’ pass.”
“Former Presidents enjoy no special conditions on their federal criminal liability,” Chutkan wrote. “Defendant may be subject to federal investigation, indictment, prosecution, conviction, and punishment for any criminal acts undertaken while in office.”
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Post by toldya on Jul 1, 2024 11:45:07 GMT -5
Trump will be okay. He claimed the election was stolen and would have every right to act along those lines .
As I said some time back, all those that claimed Trump was crazy and claimed he thinks the election was stolen ,will have to change their tune to one of Trump trying to steal the election.
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Post by OhMy on Jul 1, 2024 12:08:54 GMT -5
The court is clearly politicized.
How else are we getting so many 6-3 votes?
They do not agree on how to interpret the constitution.
We need Antonin Scalia to come back from the dead and show them how it should be done.
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Post by tonyroma on Jul 1, 2024 12:26:09 GMT -5
There was a 9-0 decision today, FL and Texas can’t control content on social media
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Post by nuevowavo on Jul 1, 2024 13:39:57 GMT -5
Great news for Biden. If Trump gets reelected he won't be able to go after Joe for criminal misconduct.
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Post by nikonoclast on Jul 1, 2024 13:50:08 GMT -5
The court is clearly politicized. How else are we getting so many 6-3 votes? They do not agree on how to interpret the constitution. We need Antonin Scalia to come back from the dead and show them how it should be done. Scalia would have shit a brick. The Court ignored His decision barring interlocutory appeals. ( During a case, not afterward as is usual procedure. )
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Post by luapnor on Jul 1, 2024 14:28:33 GMT -5
Great news for Biden. If Trump gets reelected he won't be able to go after Joe for criminal misconduct. Youre obviously confused. That is the behavior of the progressives.
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Post by bswiv on Jul 1, 2024 16:38:26 GMT -5
I had NPR on while running back and forth between the timber crew and the site prep and then walking over a bunch of acres with the forester.....at 2PM....miserable......and best I can tell NPR.....which is obviously no right wing outlet, the commentators and professors they had on came across as wishing for a different outcome but accepting that it was reasonable....even went into the part about what a "official act" was something needing definitions applied to it.
We get tied up in the moment with these things but it is a truth that words and phrases need to be defined.
In fact....legislation generally has both a findings ( The whereaseses ) and a definitions section.
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