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Post by conchydong on Jul 1, 2024 15:30:30 GMT -5
Many or most fishermen don’t understand the life cycles of groupers.
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Post by anumber1 on Jul 1, 2024 18:18:55 GMT -5
Many or most fishermen don’t understand the life cycles of groupers. that's true, they just want to catch and keep some.
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Post by Captj on Jul 2, 2024 6:45:44 GMT -5
I retract my statement. Actually there are no Gags in the Bay. Please disregard as fake news.
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Post by restlessnative on Jul 2, 2024 13:28:20 GMT -5
It’s not through the 16th, the 15th, ends at 12:01 on the 16th. Federal waters but the gulf will soon follow suit. Thought Ed Walker was supposed to help us fishing folks… still bound by MS act no matter what you think. I get that, and I highly respect your opinion (and facts that most don’t know or appreciate) just hard to take as a guy that only gets a few days to make it happen. I also understand the grouper life cycle. I know I said I would hit them hard in another thread and I should not have left it at that or said it at all because in reality I will probably only get out twice in that time frame, just meant I will fishhard those couple of times. Doesn’t help there are some that will literally do that though. All out of my control so whatever, I’ll be happy to take the little I can and enjoy time on the water with family and friends.
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Post by Captj on Jul 2, 2024 17:04:19 GMT -5
When you compare the tac for commercial hook & line boats vs the recreational catch there is no sense to these regs. Further, the recs can only go in good weather. That's not always been the case. Especially lately.
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Post by anumber1 on Jul 2, 2024 17:10:39 GMT -5
still bound by MS act no matter what you think. I get that, and I highly respect your opinion (and facts that most don’t know or appreciate) just hard to take as a guy that only gets a few days to make it happen. I also understand the grouper life cycle. I know I said I would hit them hard in another thread and I should not have left it at that or said it at all because in reality I will probably only get out twice in that time frame, just meant I will fishhard those couple of times. Doesn’t help there are some that will literally do that though. All out of my control so whatever, I’ll be happy to take the little I can and enjoy time on the water with family and friends. the commercial sector lost 80% as well, Gags are pretty much a bycatch and have been since the IFQ's were implemented. It sucks for all sectors.
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Post by anumber1 on Jul 2, 2024 17:14:14 GMT -5
When you compare the tac for commercial hook & line boats vs the recreational catch there is no sense to these regs. Further, the recs can only go in good weather. That's not always been the case. Especially lately. recs get 65% of the ACL so your point is? Tbe problem is the shallow water gags are being caught before they move offshore and morph into males, in my area you can smoke them in the fall from a carolina skiff.
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Post by garycoleco on Jul 2, 2024 20:22:42 GMT -5
I get that, and I highly respect your opinion (and facts that most don’t know or appreciate) just hard to take as a guy that only gets a few days to make it happen. I also understand the grouper life cycle. I know I said I would hit them hard in another thread and I should not have left it at that or said it at all because in reality I will probably only get out twice in that time frame, just meant I will fishhard those couple of times. Doesn’t help there are some that will literally do that though. All out of my control so whatever, I’ll be happy to take the little I can and enjoy time on the water with family and friends. the commercial sector lost 80% as well, Gags are pretty much a bycatch and have been since the IFQ's were implemented. It sucks for all sectors. Bureaucrats don't care about by catch.
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Post by Captj on Jul 3, 2024 7:40:03 GMT -5
When you compare the tac for commercial hook & line boats vs the recreational catch there is no sense to these regs. Further, the recs can only go in good weather. That's not always been the case. Especially lately. recs get 65% of the ACL so your point is? Tbe problem is the shallow water gags are being caught before they move offshore and morph into males, in my area you can smoke them in the fall from a carolina skiff. My point is that the commercial catch is enabled in part by ind quotas thus the commercials are allowed to fish in conditions of their choosing. Further, I'm just going to throw this out there - not all of the commercial catch is reported as required. I have and still spend some time in fish houses and in many cases cash is still king. Cash on the barrelhead has long been customary among trusted fishermen. Last, there are plenty of stud gags in shallow waters.
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Post by anumber1 on Jul 3, 2024 8:06:53 GMT -5
recs get 65% of the ACL so your point is? Tbe problem is the shallow water gags are being caught before they move offshore and morph into males, in my area you can smoke them in the fall from a carolina skiff. My point is that the commercial catch is enabled in part by ind quotas thus the commercials are allowed to fish in conditions of their choosing. Further, I'm just going to throw this out there - not all of the commercial catch is reported as required. I have and still spend some time in fish houses and in many cases cash is still king. Cash on the barrelhead has long been customary among trusted fishermen. Last, there are plenty of stud gags in shallow waters. commercial reef fish boats are required to have VMS on their boats and log in every time they leave the dock. They have a 3 hour window to report in before docking at the end of a trip and cannot dock until the end of the 3 hours, that is to give officals (usually FWC) time to send personnel to the dock to inspect the boat. No reputable owner is going to risk their permit (25k) and their IFQ (big $$) for a few dollars.
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Post by anumber1 on Jul 3, 2024 8:11:44 GMT -5
"My point is that the commercial catch is enabled in part by ind quotas thus the commercials are allowed to fish in conditions of their choosing. " why do you think the commercials on the gulf side embraced (for the most part) the IFQ system? The old ARS season (1st 10 days of each month until TAC was filled) was a horrible derby system, put vessels in danger and flooded markets (driving price down).
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Post by Captj on Jul 3, 2024 16:49:54 GMT -5
My point is that the commercial catch is enabled in part by ind quotas thus the commercials are allowed to fish in conditions of their choosing. Further, I'm just going to throw this out there - not all of the commercial catch is reported as required. I have and still spend some time in fish houses and in many cases cash is still king. Cash on the barrelhead has long been customary among trusted fishermen. Last, there are plenty of stud gags in shallow waters. commercial reef fish boats are required to have VMS on their boats and log in every time they leave the dock. They have a 3 hour window to report in before docking at the end of a trip and cannot dock until the end of the 3 hours, that is to give officals (usually FWC) time to send personnel to the dock to inspect the boat. No reputable owner is going to risk their permit (25k) and their IFQ (big $$) for a few dollars. So we can debate the nuances, and I agree that there are many legit operators who confirm their catches as the fishery laws require. That doesn't mean that there aren't commercials who for one reason or another opt not to report their trips or catches. Further, there are plenty of venues for fish sales not directed to the fish houses. Always sold our sushi fish to the Asians for a few dollars a lb more than the fish houses. I could go on, but no need. We both know what the deal is. Bottom line is the regulations need to be reviewed and edited by those with real world experience on the water. Also it would help if imports were identified as such and the consumer educated to the differences in species imported vs domestic production. I've seen and sold many different grouper species and the quality of the imports can't be compared to our domestic except those from Mexico that are actually caught in Texas waters. How do you get an 8 oz natural filet from a 24" grouper? Yet that's what we get in many of our better seafood restaurants. Last night I ate some of my Black Grouper and it was awesome.
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Post by conchydong on Jul 3, 2024 16:56:42 GMT -5
I understand what you are saying Captain J but the rules have changed and in today’s world it would not be beneficial for someone to risk their license to sell back door.
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Post by Captj on Jul 4, 2024 7:12:50 GMT -5
I understand what you are saying Captain J but the rules have changed and in today’s world it would not be beneficial for someone to risk their license to sell back door. There's many reasons (not necessarily good ones either) for doing the wrong thing. Why does FWC catch illegal poaching, netting, as well as out of season, and catching species which are not allowed or permitted. How many Tuna, Mako Sharks, or Billfish have been caught by swordfisherman and kept illegally? I'm not endorsing these practices, but just raising the point that there is no way FWC can even put a dent in illegal activities on the water. Just look at the flow of drugs and illegal immigrants arriving by sea here. Don't know the answer, but attitudes must change. Far as I'm concerned the rec bag limits are overly generous. If people fished more often they wouldn't need to kill everything they catch just to stuff their freezer. Wishful thinking I guess.
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