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Post by richm on Jun 25, 2024 5:35:47 GMT -5
I saw the one in ft meade yesterday and the one on us 98 a couple times over the last 2 years. Thot it would be interesting to see if they were visible. There is not enough free time in the world to blindly look for them. My wife usually tirns her nose up at squatch but she spotted the one yesterday. Stranger things have not happened. just playing around. Better than a lot of trump and biden stuff that seems to be generally accepted. In the 90s I used to take my boots off and cross muddy roads all over Gulf Hammock. I’d splay my toes so they looked longer and more ape-like and sometimes I’d double step them and crush out the big toes to make it look huge the one track I did actually see in Gulf Hammock on the river. I’ve often wondered if anyone ever saw them and if aged so that the obvious trickery wasn’t so obvious, whether anyone pondered them. Woulda been fun to find one of your old tracks. It's a fun topic, at least for some of us. Nice to have something that's not about some sport or politics. Lotsa guy have cars, others have boats, some folks need an inspiration to have fun.
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Post by bullfrog on Jun 25, 2024 6:19:43 GMT -5
I was a member of the internet “bigfoot” community for many years. After the success of “Finding Bigfoot,” the makeup of bigfoot enthusiasts changed a lot and myself and many of the old school enthusiasts backed out.
These days, internet bigfoot discussion centers around bigfoot being a magic boogiemen. Even Les Stroud (Survivorman) takes this view. He’s claimed to have had “bigfoots” telepathically communicate with him and one invisibly sat on his chest as he tried to sleep in a tent one night.
I think the supernatural slant is a way by which bigfoot “believers” try to hold to many or most sightings being true while explaining the lack of trail camera evidence on the other. The onset of possibly millions of mass produced, cheap, trial cameras really put a damper on the notion that you don’t know what’s out there in the dark.
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Post by richm on Jun 25, 2024 11:01:41 GMT -5
I was a member of the internet “bigfoot” community for many years. After the success of “Finding Bigfoot,” the makeup of bigfoot enthusiasts changed a lot and myself and many of the old school enthusiasts backed out. These days, internet bigfoot discussion centers around bigfoot being a magic boogiemen. Even Les Stroud (Survivorman) takes this view. He’s claimed to have had “bigfoots” telepathically communicate with him and one invisibly sat on his chest as he tried to sleep in a tent one night. I think the supernatural slant is a way by which bigfoot “believers” try to hold to many or most sightings being true while explaining the lack of trail camera evidence on the other. The onset of possibly millions of mass produced, cheap, trial cameras really put a damper on the notion that you don’t know what’s out there in the dark. One of the shows was talking about bigfoot being interdimensional, and that was supposedly how the indians saw them as. No idea. Trail cameras surely would have found one by now, same for thermal scopes. But nope. Yet thousands of folks claim to have seen them.
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Post by bullfrog on Jun 25, 2024 11:14:22 GMT -5
I was a member of the internet “bigfoot” community for many years. After the success of “Finding Bigfoot,” the makeup of bigfoot enthusiasts changed a lot and myself and many of the old school enthusiasts backed out. These days, internet bigfoot discussion centers around bigfoot being a magic boogiemen. Even Les Stroud (Survivorman) takes this view. He’s claimed to have had “bigfoots” telepathically communicate with him and one invisibly sat on his chest as he tried to sleep in a tent one night. I think the supernatural slant is a way by which bigfoot “believers” try to hold to many or most sightings being true while explaining the lack of trail camera evidence on the other. The onset of possibly millions of mass produced, cheap, trial cameras really put a damper on the notion that you don’t know what’s out there in the dark. One of the shows was talking about bigfoot being interdimensional, and that was supposedly how the indians saw them as. No idea. Trail cameras surely would have found one by now, same for thermal scopes. But nope. Yet thousands of folks claim to have seen them. Indeed. When analyzing the bigfoot phenomenon, one has to separate out the question of “is bigfoot real?” from “what causes the phenomenon?” If bigfoot isn’t real, then there has to be other explanations as to why people see ape-men that aren’t there. Of all the things people could hallucinate, an upright walking ape in the deep wild would be an odd projection for a random hallucination. There would have to be some sort of systematic explanation as to why people specifically see human-like apes that aren’t really there instead of dragons or unicorns. Where I think the “believer” side fails is that they don’t likewise separate the questions like a skeptic would. Perhaps bigfoots are real, yet perhaps the “bigfoot phenomenon” has little to do with that reality. If a bigfoot was confirmed killed today, I would still take the view that most people who sincerely believed they saw one, did not. Meaning that there would be other explanations for why people incorrectly think they’ve seen a bigfoot. Some explanations would be straight forward and others complicated.
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Post by richm on Jun 25, 2024 12:29:52 GMT -5
You did well with separating the phenomenon vs provable reality. I doubt we could prove it, but there are some big footprints and a few fuzzy photos that add to the equation.
My view of it all is just fun. The idea that the Jack's Link guy might show up, sit down and have a beer at a campfire lends some fun to the scenario. Personally, I'd rather that no-one make any progress in proving or disproving the whole concept. As people, we need to have the ability to have some fun with our imagination.
Does he have to be real? Not anymore than Santa or the Easter Bunny.
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Post by One Man Gang on Jun 25, 2024 13:16:29 GMT -5
If any of you guys were around Alligator Alley, Big Cypress, or nearby areas back in the 70s and saw some rather big hominid looking foot prints, they were probably made by my dad with his plywood feet sandals he made for wandering around muddy banks, boat ramps, and campsites. He loved to stir people up and get them excited.
That was about the end of a great time period to be down there.
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Post by bullfrog on Jun 25, 2024 13:34:52 GMT -5
You did well with separating the phenomenon vs provable reality. I doubt we could prove it, but there are some big footprints and a few fuzzy photos that add to the equation. My view of it all is just fun. The idea that the Jack's Link guy might show up, site down and have a beer at a campfire lends some fun to the scenario. Personally, I'd rather that no-one make any progress in proving or disproving the whole concept. As people, we need to have the ability to have some fun with our imagination. Does he have to be real? Not anymore than Santa or the Easter Bunny. That enjoyment of the unknown and the notion that there is significantly more to explore on this Earth is a major reason why the phenomenon persists specifically in the United States. The bigfoot legend has become a symbol of untamed wilderness, so as long a bigfoot is thought to be “out there,” the wilderness is also “out there.” Yet I don’t think that adequately explains the phenomenon as a whole. The phenomenon is a lot older than recent notions of the loss of wilderness. Many tribal cultures in centuries past from around the world adjusted their lives around the presumed existence of upright-walking, nocturnal, apes that were a threat to their safeties. Some Pacific Northwest tribes forbade whistling because they believed human whistles sounded too much like a bigfoot’s natural call. Many Indian totems and masks showed bigfoots whistling with their lips pursed. I do think there is a very unhealthy side to the bigfoot phenomenon when it comes to spiritualizing bigfoot. There is not an insignificantly number of people who regard bigfoot as a natural spirit to contact and even worship. I think Les Stroud falls into that camp. As I believe demons are completely real and eager to lead humans down the primrose path into false world-views, a proclivity to seek spiritual truths from bigfoots, whether the creatures are real or imagined, opens people to have deceptive experiences perpetrated by demons. I think that accounts for a small percentage of otherwise sincere bigfoot reports. Usually those reports don’t involve seeing a bigfoot, but instead having a spiritual experience in the woods such as a being “speaking” to a person’s mind as Les Stroud claims to have experienced or seeing some shadow person on a rock ledge or glowing orbs floating above you at night as you lay in camp. A blurring of ghosts, UFOs, and bigfoot into an overarching phenomenon. If you know anything about Stroud, you’d know he got into experiencing native animist religions and hallucinogen use for spiritual experiences. He may have damaged his brain. Or he may have opened the door to be hoodwinked by very real but deceptive demons. If you’re predisposed to view bigfoot as a special guardian or spirit of nature that’s going to bring balance to your life, that’s how a demon may present an experience to you.
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Post by bullfrog on Jun 25, 2024 13:38:37 GMT -5
If any of you guys were around Alligator Alley, Big Cypress, or nearby areas back in the 70s and saw some rather big hominid looking foot prints, they were probably made by my dad with his plywood feet sandals he made for wandering around muddy banks, boat ramps, and campsites. He loved to stir people up and get them excited. That was about the end of a great time period to be down there. My wife’s uncle and dad would set up bigfoot sightings in the 1970s in the Ocala National Forests against their military buddies. They’d use a ghillie suit and a mask and set up a deer shining expedition with no firearms allowed. They used reflective tacks to simulate eye shine. They never let the targets in on the joke. Some people probably lived their whole lives thinking the experience was real. If you read a lot of otherwise sincere and basic bigfoot sightings, many come from the 70s. It only takes one dedicated local joker to make a legend.
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Post by One Man Gang on Jun 25, 2024 13:56:39 GMT -5
Agreed BF, the 70s were a pinnacle era for TRUE swamp ape mania. The more recent programs have brought it to light again, of course, but as you have explained, the modern twist isn't quite the same as the visceral mystique that captivated the folks of the 70s.
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Post by bullfrog on Jun 25, 2024 14:05:57 GMT -5
Agreed BF, the 70s were a pinnacle era for TRUE swamp ape mania. The more recent programs have brought it to light again, of course, but as you have explained, the modern twist isn't quite the same as the visceral mystique that captivated the folks of the 70s. I agree. Back then the idea seemed more plausible. There was enough wild here and there that could have allowed for a few unknown, big, apes to be living and only rarely be seen and up until that time, no one had been looking for them. Bigfoot as a U.S. cultural phenomenon hadn’t been around that long. Then you had the 1967 Patterson film. Put it all together and it wasn’t unreasonable to expect a hunter to have brought a body in at some point in the near future. Then the decades went by. The world got smaller. Technology let us put millions of eyes in the woods 24-7. And… nothing.
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Post by One Man Gang on Jun 25, 2024 14:22:10 GMT -5
Kinda corny by today's standards but great fodder for the 70s crowd. Only Jaws scared me more as a kid. Now I often try to imitate a Squatch scream at night when we're out in the woods, just because. I think the music scared me more than the movie. Lol Watch and you'll see. This is how you know Squatches are real.
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Post by conchydong on Jun 25, 2024 14:34:30 GMT -5
The Legend of Boggy Creek was the Bigfoot movie that scared me.
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Post by richm on Jun 25, 2024 14:49:52 GMT -5
You did well with separating the phenomenon vs provable reality. I doubt we could prove it, but there are some big footprints and a few fuzzy photos that add to the equation. My view of it all is just fun. The idea that the Jack's Link guy might show up, site down and have a beer at a campfire lends some fun to the scenario. Personally, I'd rather that no-one make any progress in proving or disproving the whole concept. As people, we need to have the ability to have some fun with our imagination. Does he have to be real? Not anymore than Santa or the Easter Bunny. That enjoyment of the unknown and the notion that there is significantly more to explore on this Earth is a major reason why the phenomenon persists specifically in the United States. The bigfoot legend has become a symbol of untamed wilderness, so as long a bigfoot is thought to be “out there,” the wilderness is also “out there.” Yet I don’t think that adequately explains the phenomenon as a whole. The phenomenon is a lot older than recent notions of the loss of wilderness. Many tribal cultures in centuries past from around the world adjusted their lives around the presumed existence of upright-walking, nocturnal, apes that were a threat to their safeties. Some Pacific Northwest tribes forbade whistling because they believed human whistles sounded too much like a bigfoot’s natural call. Many Indian totems and masks showed bigfoots whistling with their lips pursed. I do think there is a very unhealthy side to the bigfoot phenomenon when it comes to spiritualizing bigfoot. There is not an insignificantly number of people who regard bigfoot as a natural spirit to contact and even worship. I think Les Stroud falls into that camp. As I believe demons are completely real and eager to lead humans down the primrose path into false world-views, a proclivity to seek spiritual truths from bigfoots, whether the creatures are real or imagined, opens people to have deceptive experiences perpetrated by demons. I think that accounts for a small percentage of otherwise sincere bigfoot reports. Usually those reports don’t involve seeing a bigfoot, but instead having a spiritual experience in the woods such as a being “speaking” to a person’s mind as Les Stroud claims to have experienced or seeing some shadow person on a rock ledge or glowing orbs floating above you at night as you lay in camp. A blurring of ghosts, UFOs, and bigfoot into an overarching phenomenon. If you know anything about Stroud, you’d know he got into experiencing native animist religions and hallucinogen use for spiritual experiences. He may have damaged his brain. Or he may have opened the door to be hoodwinked by very real but deceptive demons. If you’re predisposed to view bigfoot as a special guardian or spirit of nature that’s going to bring balance to your life, that’s how a demon may present an experience to you. You are much more the expert than I - had no idea about the whistle thing, but am familiar with seeing the carvings with pursed lips. We have but one way in Christ. I don't see squatch as a guardian or a spiritual thing. Setting up sightings - - was there a person wearing the outfit and moving thru? Of was it hung over a tree branch?
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Post by wynnv on Jun 25, 2024 16:28:23 GMT -5
Kinda corny by today's standards but great fodder for the 70s crowd. Only Jaws scared me more as a kid. Now I often try to imitate a Squatch scream at night when we're out in the woods, just because. I think the music scared me more than the movie. Lol Watch and you'll see. This is how you know Squatches are real. I spent an equal amount of time in the woods and in the ocean as a kid. Jaws kept me out of the water for about 6 months. Bigfoot never kept me out of the woods.
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Post by 4ward on Jun 25, 2024 16:36:54 GMT -5
Sascrotch kept me out of the bar for a whole week.
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