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Post by Tarponator on Jun 22, 2024 15:55:42 GMT -5
You're right.
And stop talking to yourself.
Still confused, I see!🤣 Yes, you are so confused you quoted yourself.
I know this whole quoting thing is hard for some. Perhaps we should make up a commandment to address the intellectual decay of dimwitted boomers and then legislate it to be posted in all churches; I'd be all for it!
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Post by conchydong on Jun 22, 2024 15:58:06 GMT -5
My parents made sure I went to church as a pre teen just to expose me to it. After that I was on my own. I don’t follow organized religion anymore but I do appreciate what I learned in Sunday school and still try to follow what I learned. I still believe that all young kids should learn the common decency of respecting your fellow man.
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Post by tonyroma on Jun 22, 2024 16:00:46 GMT -5
My parents made sure I went to church as a pre teen just to expose me to it. After that I was on my own. I don’t follow organized religion anymore but I do appreciate what I learned in Sunday school and still try to follow what I learned. I still believe that all young kids should learn the common decency of respecting your fellow man. And the appropriate words here are “went to church”.
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Post by walkerdog on Jun 22, 2024 16:02:10 GMT -5
If saying stupid things is reason enough to quote someone who isn’t talking about the same aspect you are, by all means I’ll quote you more often, dimwit.😉 Please feel free.
I look forward to making you look even more dimwitted when you do.
Not really impressed by your attempt to out dimwit anyone. But if it makes you happy, knock yourself out. You aren’t coming across as the sharpest tack in the box though.
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Post by conchydong on Jun 22, 2024 16:02:36 GMT -5
My parents made sure I went to church as a pre teen just to expose me to it. After that I was on my own. I don’t follow organized religion anymore but I do appreciate what I learned in Sunday school and still try to follow what I learned. I still believe that all young kids should learn the common decency of respecting your fellow man. And the appropriate words here are “went to church”. I still consider myself a Christian even though I don’t believe in the way organized religion has become.
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Post by bullfrog on Jun 22, 2024 16:29:12 GMT -5
From 1788 to 1925 the First Amendment didn’t apply to the States. Therefore schoolhouse displays of Christianity weren’t considered legally problematic. Also consider that non-local government involvement with the school system was minimal back then. Because the First Amendment does now apply to the States, a State legislature cannot do what Federal Congress cannot do. So this BS is clearly unconstitutional, right? The law applies to all public elementary, secondary and postsecondary schools, from kindergarten through college and mandates a version of the Ten Commandments contrary to that used by Catholics, the largest religious group in the state. But the law does not apply to Catholic schools. I think it is unconstitutional. I don't think the legal reasoning as to why is so simple. It's a strange situation where historically it would have been very constitutional, but now would not be, due to incorporation of the Bill of Rights. There are circumstances where it could still be constitutionally appropriate to display the 10 commandments in a public school. I don't think it can come by decree of either Federal Congress or a state legislature. I do believe individual teachers would have valid freedom to display them if they wished, and that local school boards ought to have the final say as to whether such displays are allowed in their districts. Legality aside, I don't want government to attempt to teach Christianity. They won't get it right. Most people who claim to be Christians in the U.S., are not. That would hold true also among politicians and leaders. Someone who doesn't have God's Spirit in them cannot validly teach much about God even if they wanted to. There's already legit people in the society proclaiming both God's Law and the Gospel. The society can either believe it or not. The First Amendment protections that allow for that discourse are enough to effectuate that. God's Law can change a society. There's supernatural power in God's Words that can cut straight into the innermost parts of a person's heart and mind. But that comes from a Spirit-filled human proclaiming it and it being heard by another human, and somewhere in that mix is a dance between God's supernatural power and the listener's free will. But that model is familiar to us all... it's preaching. And we have that in our society already.
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Post by dragonbait on Jun 22, 2024 20:00:03 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure the Founding Fathers meant that “separation of state and church “ part, it doesn’t very ambiguous and put it in the constitution for a reason
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Post by walkerdog on Jun 22, 2024 20:45:59 GMT -5
That doesn’t mean that religion has to be hidden from government. It only means that no religion should be state sponsored or endorsed. I agree, we don’t need another Church of England.
If having religious references in government was unconstitutional, why would they have people swear on the Bible in some government ceremonies and proceedings? They wouldn’t.
If having visible references to something equates to sponsorship of that thing, then you would have to say that the government sponsors the gay community. We know that’s not the case. They recognize them but that’s not the same as endorsing them. Same with religions. Recognizing them can’t reasonably be equated with sponsorship or endorsement.
All religions should be recognized and the diversity of perspectives they bring to a nation should be celebrated in a tolerant society. A president meeting with the pope or any other prominent religious figure shouldn’t be seen as a bad or prohibited thing. There isn’t anything unconstitutional about anything of the sort.
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Post by bullfrog on Jun 22, 2024 20:59:34 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure the Founding Fathers meant that “separation of state and church “ part, it doesn’t very ambiguous and put it in the constitution for a reason Well, they never wrote that "separation of state and church" part in the Constitution. Usually that term is invoked to mean that a lawmaker is not allowed to legislate from their religious perspective, which is not what the Founders intended at all. All legislators legislate from their personal ideologies, not counting the times the sell out for financial interests or personal gain only. The 1st Amendment means exactly what it says and nothing more or less. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." After incorporation via the 14th Amendment, that can practically read as "Neither Congress nor State Legislatures shall..." Legislatures are not allowed to pass laws that would create, foster, or favor, a state religion. It would stop a legislature from posting the 10 Commandments as a governmental endorsement of either Judaism or Christianity (or more on point to the purpose of the 1st Amendment, a particular sect of Christianity where Protestants and Catholics divide the 10 Commandments differently, and the choosing of one division over the other is to take a side in the historic sectarian wars in Europe between the Catholics and everyone else or between competing groups of Protestants, which was fresh in the minds of the colonists where Britain had been ruled by 2 competing and semi-hostile groups of Protestants within their then recent history). But an individual legislator can move to ban murder because the legislator believes in "thou shall not murder" from the 10 commandments. That does not violate the 1st Amendment.
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Post by luapnor on Jun 22, 2024 21:20:08 GMT -5
Jefferson made the separation of church and state clear.
When leftists create a religion from crisis it needs to be exorcized from government.
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Post by meateater on Jun 23, 2024 9:38:56 GMT -5
I would counter with moral decay and ethical fucktardness of magaa voters. that state was shit before trump lets be fair.
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Post by meateater on Jun 23, 2024 9:41:45 GMT -5
1. You shall have no other gods before me. 2. You shall make no idols. Well the Buddhists and Hindus are screwed. well was the country founded on buddhist and hindus beliefs. asking for cad.
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Post by garycoleco on Jun 23, 2024 9:45:54 GMT -5
Boogieman.....
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Post by ferris1248 on Jun 23, 2024 9:47:34 GMT -5
And the appropriate words here are “went to church”. I still consider myself a Christian even though I don’t believe in the way organized religion has become. I believe you can be a Christian, a good moral person, without being a member of an organized religion.
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Post by meateater on Jun 23, 2024 9:53:07 GMT -5
I still consider myself a Christian even though I don’t believe in the way organized religion has become. I believe you can be a Christian, a good moral person, without being a member of an organized religion. 100% agree with ferris , now being a christian and voting for todays democrat party thats another story.
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