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Post by luapnor on Jun 16, 2024 6:09:48 GMT -5
Brilliant idea to bring in votes. Planned or not.
Trump suggests it, Democrats have to fall in line or look like idiots.
Ron Paul proposed this in 2011. Just dust off his old bill.
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Post by cadman on Jun 16, 2024 7:05:33 GMT -5
It is a horrible idea since he has proposed no spending cuts to offset it. Your grandchildren will be paying for it.
I think when candidates make these stupid proposals, they should be required to say where the spending cuts are coming from or where revenue to replace it will come from
democrats should just ignore it since it has no reality of ever being law.
I thought you wanted everyone to pay their fair share, but you are O.K. with some not paying taxes on the income they earn. it is income from work done.
When Ron Paul did the same thing way back then, nobody jumped on the bandwagon or looked like idiots when they didn't. It just died and faded away like this one will.
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Post by luapnor on Jun 16, 2024 7:22:12 GMT -5
It doesn't matter. It was for votes. Just like college loan bullshit.
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Post by cadman on Jun 16, 2024 7:42:20 GMT -5
It doesn't matter. It was for votes. Just like college loan bullshit. Yep, it was vote buying, pure and simple, as I stated on another topic where you said it wasn't vote buying. Could you make up your mind? |
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Post by bswiv on Jun 16, 2024 8:10:23 GMT -5
It doesn't matter. It was for votes. Just like college loan bullshit. Yep, it was vote buying, pure and simple, as I stated on another topic where you said it wasn't vote buying. Could you make up your mind? Simply makes the case for how ALL OF US get played by the political professionals. Of course.....with the tips......the dirty little secret is that we forget that until the credit card became the norm ( other forms now taking speed ) tips fell through a whole lot of cracks and everyone knew it. I'd bet a dime to a dollar that the idea for voicing such was vetted by Trump's team, maybe even come up with by one of them.......though.......with Trump....who the heck knows! Finally......it'd have to be by Congressional action........and we know that'll never come across...... |
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Post by cadman on Jun 16, 2024 12:07:09 GMT -5
Yep, it was vote buying, pure and simple, as I stated on another topic where you said it wasn't vote buying. Could you make up your mind? Simply makes the case for how ALL OF US get played by the political professionals. Of course.....with the tips......the dirty little secret is that we forget that until the credit card became the norm ( other forms now taking speed ) tips fell through a whole lot of cracks and everyone knew it. I'd bet a dime to a dollar that the idea for voicing such was vetted by Trump's team, maybe even come up with by one of them.......though.......with Trump....who the heck knows! Finally......it'd have to be by Congressional action........and we know that'll never come across...... Used to be about 50% or so was reported. The tipped employee has to report enough to be sure they are getting paid minimum wage, so the business will report at least that much no matter what. But the use of plastic has increased the amount of tips reported. The business and the IRS also monitors the average amount reported, if one employee is significantly lower than the others, the boss will have a conversation since they are partially responsible to ensure tips are reported. |
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Post by bswiv on Jun 16, 2024 17:36:39 GMT -5
Simply makes the case for how ALL OF US get played by the political professionals. Of course.....with the tips......the dirty little secret is that we forget that until the credit card became the norm ( other forms now taking speed ) tips fell through a whole lot of cracks and everyone knew it. I'd bet a dime to a dollar that the idea for voicing such was vetted by Trump's team, maybe even come up with by one of them.......though.......with Trump....who the heck knows! Finally......it'd have to be by Congressional action........and we know that'll never come across...... Used to be about 50% or so was reported. The tipped employee has to report enough to be sure they are getting paid minimum wage, so the business will report at least that much no matter what. But the use of plastic has increased the amount of tips reported. The business and the IRS also monitors the average amount reported, if one employee is significantly lower than the others, the boss will have a conversation since they are partially responsible to ensure tips are reported. That makes sense.... Back in the early 70s we bagboys at Publix never considered the idea of reporting a dime.....who knew? We sure did not. And at a $1.60 a hour a few quarters was a big deal.......especially with gas at .27 cents...... |
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Jun 16, 2024 17:45:48 GMT -5
I just don’t know. Tips should not be used to make up the fact that employers are not paying their employees minimum wages.
Tipped workers are usually not making a lot of money. I see many good people being “stiffed” by their customers. This is why I tip very well. I have empathy for these people.
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Post by cadman on Jun 16, 2024 19:12:47 GMT -5
Used to be about 50% or so was reported. The tipped employee has to report enough to be sure they are getting paid minimum wage, so the business will report at least that much no matter what. But the use of plastic has increased the amount of tips reported. The business and the IRS also monitors the average amount reported, if one employee is significantly lower than the others, the boss will have a conversation since they are partially responsible to ensure tips are reported. That makes sense.... Back in the early 70s we bagboys at Publix never considered the idea of reporting a dime.....who knew? We sure did not. And at a $1.60 a hour a few quarters was a big deal.......especially with gas at .27 cents...... You were not really tipped employees. You were paid minimum wage and not the tipped minimum wage which is around 30% of the actual minimum wage. If you had been, Publix would have had you report enough tips to bring you up to minimum wage. I worked at a gas station and we never reported any tips either, not that we got the same amount as bag boys. At Publix you were supposed to refuse tips.  |
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Post by cadman on Jun 16, 2024 19:14:25 GMT -5
I just don’t know. Tips should not be used to make up the fact that employers are not paying their employees minimum wages. Tipped workers are usually not making a lot of money. I see many good people being “stiffed” by their customers. This is why I tip very well. I have empathy for these people. I would rather the employer pay them more, but the restaurant lobby is pretty strong and being able to pay employees less helps the bottom line a lot. |
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Post by bswiv on Jun 16, 2024 19:25:39 GMT -5
You were not really tipped employees. You were paid minimum wage and not the tipped minimum wage which is around 70% of the actual minimum wage. If you had been, Publix would have had you report enough tips to bring you up to minimum wage. I worked at a gas station and we never reported any tips either, not that we got the same amount as bag boys. At Publix you were supposed to refuse tips. At PUBLIX we had one of the guys we call "No Carts Kurt" because he'd hustle right back into the store so as to get another customer from which to get a tip rather than da as we were supposed to can gather up carts left in the lot by customers. He was not even distracted by going to the check stand of the cute cashiers......just followed the cash. Haven't thought of that in a LONG time.......... And did not know that the stepped minimum wage for tipped employees was in effect back in the late 60s & early 70s......but again....as a teenager, a teenager who gravitated to the cute casher's check out stand......well.....was focused more on other things...... |
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Post by cadman on Jun 16, 2024 19:39:38 GMT -5
Before 1966 tipped employees were exempt from minimum wage laws. In 1966 it was 50% of regular minimum wage.
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Post by restlessnative on Jun 20, 2024 3:06:32 GMT -5
That’s an expensive burger….pre and post tip.
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Post by OhMy on Jun 20, 2024 7:25:19 GMT -5
If they implement tax free tips my tip amount is going down.
Anyone seen the national debt?
Stop buying votes on the taxpayers back !!!
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Post by cadman on Jun 20, 2024 7:42:57 GMT -5
If they implement tax free tips my tip amount is going down. Anyone seen the national debt? Stop buying votes on the taxpayers back !!! i think any discussion about reducing revenue with a tax cut should be required to have the cut in expenses listed that will pay for it, same is true for any increase in spending, it should include the source of the increase in revenue that will pay for it. Just freeze spending and tax rates at current levels, the revenue will increase over the next 5 years and catch up to the current expenditures and we would have a balanced budget. From that point on, if you want to increase spending, you have to increase taxes or cut spending elsewhere. If you want to cut taxes, you have to cut spending by the same amount. Also, they need to fix Social Security by raising the retirement age to 70 for those under 60, eliminate the earnings cap on the tax, and raise the payroll tax rate. |
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