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Post by tonyroma on Jun 13, 2024 21:45:01 GMT -5
I said to myslef “mucky, off topic is fine. Just no way can they turn it into politics” I deleted my response to not ruin the thread. |
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Post by Tarponator on Jun 14, 2024 0:38:27 GMT -5
Machine that will be intelligent, sentient and conscious Good idea? Generally speaking, yes.
Why wouldn't it be?
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Post by gandy on Jun 14, 2024 5:51:05 GMT -5
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Post by gandy on Jun 14, 2024 6:01:20 GMT -5
Then the conscious and self aware hasn't clicked yet. We program kids - how is that any different? Ai in a self-awareness fashion hasn't reached (as examples) the terrible 2's, teen age rebellion stage, FU I won't do what you tell me.But we can hope it will go well. |
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Post by johngalt on Jun 14, 2024 7:16:09 GMT -5
Some of us remember life before the internet.
And you know it wasn’t so bad looking back. 😉
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Post by cadman on Jun 14, 2024 7:42:34 GMT -5
If AI becomes self-aware, does that mean it has consciousness and a soul? Is it then a life form?
I do not believe a machine can become self-aware. It might be able to program itself someday to create new subroutines in its programming, but self-awareness should be beyond the capabilities of a machine, in my opinion.
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Post by gandy on Jun 14, 2024 8:12:13 GMT -5
If AI becomes self-aware, does that mean it has consciousness and a soul? Is it then a life form? I do not believe a machine can become self-aware. It might be able to program itself someday to create new subroutines in its programming, but self-awareness should be beyond the capabilities of a machine, in my opinion. Are you on the page where 2 cells evolved to where we are now? He had a rib removed for her and she ate the apple? or something else all together.... |
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Post by swampdog on Jun 14, 2024 8:53:19 GMT -5
Part of our brain’s ability to be self aware is the combination of our five senses and an awareness of who and where we are. It will be interesting to follow this AI “thing”.
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Post by olmucky on Jun 14, 2024 14:46:13 GMT -5
If AI becomes self-aware, does that mean it has consciousness and a soul? Is it then a life form? I do not believe a machine can become self-aware. It might be able to program itself someday to create new subroutines in its programming, but self-awareness should be beyond the capabilities of a machine, in my opinion. We have our version at my company It’s getting stronger each year. If you want code written for xyz it will do it. You want xyz function automated, it will do it. Surgeons in the OR or bedside will have AI So much can and will be automated (where will people work??hmm) Lawyers will have millions of cases at their fingertips to make their convictions/exonerations etc Soon (imho) it will be programmed to self-learn and “grow” that will be the scary part. Just like VIKI was. |
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Post by mapper on Jun 14, 2024 15:16:13 GMT -5
For things that require judgement, I'm against AI..a human needs to be involved for accountability. I am waiting to see what happens to blue cruise, full self driving, etc.. some unintended accidents have happened. I dont trust it as much as others, im still in the "slim to none" group.
Even Cameron the cyborg had a kill switch she gave John Connor. (Sarah Connor chronicles) |
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Post by bullfrog on Jun 14, 2024 23:05:33 GMT -5
I don't believe it can happen. We will probably be able to make something that so replicates a living soul that it couldn't be distinguished from a human. But it won't really be alive, it will just be a soulless gollum. But we can't see each other souls, we can only observe each other and make presumptions about what we see. We probable could create an AI that seems so alive that we couldn't prove it isn't.
I can understand though why someone would fear the invention of a true AI if the person believes consciousness is the product of the human brain and nothing more. If a lump of flesh in the right configuration can produce true consciousness, why couldn't true consciousness be created inorganically? Although if that's your view, consider that an AI isn't a random creation of chance, but of intelligent design. Then ask yourself how something intricately crafted by deliberate intelligence as the AI is would have just randomly came about in yourself through random natural processes.
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Post by garycoleco on Jun 15, 2024 8:26:39 GMT -5
The big problem no one ever talks about is that AI is just a Googler. It only knows what's input by humans and plays by a humans rules.
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Post by gandy on Jun 15, 2024 8:38:47 GMT -5
The big problem no one ever talks about is that AI is just a Googler. It only knows what's input by humans and plays by a humans rules. Surely IT will abide the Geneva convention.  |
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Post by cadman on Jun 15, 2024 8:53:37 GMT -5
I don't believe it can happen. We will probably be able to make something that so replicates a living soul that it couldn't be distinguished from a human. But it won't really be alive, it will just be a soulless gollum. But we can't see each other souls, we can only observe each other and make presumptions about what we see. We probable could create an AI that seems so alive that we couldn't prove it isn't. I can understand though why someone would fear the invention of a true AI if the person believes consciousness is the product of the human brain and nothing more. If a lump of flesh in the right configuration can produce true consciousness, why couldn't true consciousness be created inorganically? Although if that's your view, consider that an AI isn't a random creation of chance, but of intelligent design. Then ask yourself how something intricately crafted by deliberate intelligence as the AI is would have just randomly came about in yourself through random natural processes. There are scientists attempting to download the entire memory of the human brain to a computer. What happens the day they can download you to a robot body? |
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Post by garycoleco on Jun 15, 2024 9:00:12 GMT -5
The big problem no one ever talks about is that AI is just a Googler. It only knows what's input by humans and plays by a humans rules. Surely IT will abide the Geneva convention. Didn't think of that. Everyone is focused on the greater good of mankind |
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