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Post by cyclist on May 17, 2024 6:12:16 GMT -5
Thanks. But “detrimental” is a matter of opinion. Regardless of anyone’s opinion on the subject, if it still exists it can’t correctly be called destroyed. Just altered. My good friend, not good to argue with stupid. He believes 95% of Florida was "filled" in by developers. He forgot the lake, the everglades, the rest of the state. Math is not his strong suit. He means well, but he is severely handicapped by stupidity. Or lack of reality. Like losing your virginity to a really big fat ass. Bimini has staked his life on that experience. He doesn't live here. Won't state his name. Has zero intellectual honesty. Screaming insanity from a keyboard works for people with small penises and ugly wives. I consider myself an expert on wetlands, Florida, rehabilitation of wetlands, and idiots who have no idea wtf they're talking about. You're making shit up and are tad confused. I said 95% of Florida was detrimentally altered by man, including logging, developing, fire suppression, draining, clearing etc. Fact is we have lost 50% of our wetlands to DEVELOPERS who have and still do rape Florida with inpunity. Expert on wetlands LOL.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on May 17, 2024 6:19:19 GMT -5
Chicago was a marshy swamp at the beginning. I’m pretty sure the development of every large city encompassed removal of areas that today would be defined as wetlands. Fortunately or unfortunately, depending upon your viewpoint, such removal is necessary for progress.
Florida is not alone. We would have no great nation if such developments were not done.
If some “greenies” had their way we would be back in the Stone Age.
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Post by richm on May 17, 2024 6:27:00 GMT -5
NJ was a swamp they filled a built a city on.
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May 17, 2024 6:46:00 GMT -5
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Post by cyclist on May 17, 2024 6:46:00 GMT -5
Just look at what happened to the oysters in the ne. Chesapeake bay for one, fill the wetlands and pollute the waters and pristine clear water becomes a nasty polluted mess. Its called shitting in your nest.
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Post by whitebacon on May 17, 2024 15:49:20 GMT -5
My good friend, not good to argue with stupid. He believes 95% of Florida was "filled" in by developers. He forgot the lake, the everglades, the rest of the state. Math is not his strong suit. He means well, but he is severely handicapped by stupidity. Or lack of reality. Like losing your virginity to a really big fat ass. Bimini has staked his life on that experience. He doesn't live here. Won't state his name. Has zero intellectual honesty. Screaming insanity from a keyboard works for people with small penises and ugly wives. I consider myself an expert on wetlands, Florida, rehabilitation of wetlands, and idiots who have no idea wtf they're talking about. You're making shit up and are tad confused. I said 95% of Florida was detrimentally altered by man, including logging, developing, fire suppression, draining, clearing etc. Fact is we have lost 50% of our wetlands to DEVELOPERS who have and still do rape Florida with inpunity. Expert on wetlands LOL. I'm not going to get in the weeds with you on this. But..... An isolated 1/2 acre, isolated being the key word, in the middle of a cow pasture, where underlying soils, i.e. clay, prevent water from percolating into the ground naturally, is not a "wetland" in my book. And the nasty algae, and snakes that live there are not desirable, by any stretch of the imagination. Having lived in Hillsborough County, with then, the toughest wetlands rules in the state, and an overzealous, EPC, also the only such body in 67 counties, I speak from experience. ME, I. ME, got the rules changed, I personally got the top two nuts fired, including Dr. Richard Garrity, and his henchman bitch, second in command, who will remain nameless. It was well documented in numerous front page articles in the then, Tampa Tribune. I handpicked the successor, a well known local with credentials that FAR exceed yours. A one time enemy of mine, but trusted friend, then and still today. Not a nut job, like you. There's a reason why SWFWMD and all the other water management districts, the ones with dozens of "experts" like yourself ON STAFF allow certain "wetland" impacts. Now grow up and stop your idiotic tree hugger arguement, with a fucking expert like me. Period.
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May 17, 2024 16:01:25 GMT -5
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Post by cyclist on May 17, 2024 16:01:25 GMT -5
You're making shit up and are tad confused. I said 95% of Florida was detrimentally altered by man, including logging, developing, fire suppression, draining, clearing etc. Fact is we have lost 50% of our wetlands to DEVELOPERS who have and still do rape Florida with inpunity. Expert on wetlands LOL. I'm not going to get in the weeds with you on this. But..... An isolated 1/2 acre, isolated being the key word, in the middle of a cow pasture, where underlying soils, i.e. clay, prevent water from percolating into the ground naturally, is not a "wetland" in my book. And the nasty algae, and snakes that live there are not desirable, by any stretch of the imagination. Having lived in Hillsborough County, with then, the toughest wetlands rules in the state, and an overzealous, EPC, also the only such body in 67 counties, I speak from experience. ME, I. ME, got the rules changed, I personally got the top two nuts fired, including Dr. Richard Garrity, and his henchman bitch, second in command, who will remain nameless. It was well documented in numerous front page articles in the then, Tampa Tribune. I handpicked the successor, a well known local with credentials that FAR exceed yours. A one time enemy of mine, but trusted friend, then and still today. Not a nut job, like you. There's a reason why SWFWMD and all the other water management districts, the ones with dozens of "experts" like yourself ON STAFF allow certain "wetland" impacts. Now grow up and stop your idiotic tree hugger arguement, with a fucking expert like me. Period. I am certainly not denying the DEVELOPER pukes have some political pull and dollars$ ...but that certainly does mean they haven't and are not continuing to fuck Florida!
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May 17, 2024 16:08:48 GMT -5
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Post by whitebacon on May 17, 2024 16:08:48 GMT -5
I'm not going to get in the weeds with you on this. But..... An isolated 1/2 acre, isolated being the key word, in the middle of a cow pasture, where underlying soils, i.e. clay, prevent water from percolating into the ground naturally, is not a "wetland" in my book. And the nasty algae, and snakes that live there are not desirable, by any stretch of the imagination. Having lived in Hillsborough County, with then, the toughest wetlands rules in the state, and an overzealous, EPC, also the only such body in 67 counties, I speak from experience. ME, I. ME, got the rules changed, I personally got the top two nuts fired, including Dr. Richard Garrity, and his henchman bitch, second in command, who will remain nameless. It was well documented in numerous front page articles in the then, Tampa Tribune. I handpicked the successor, a well known local with credentials that FAR exceed yours. A one time enemy of mine, but trusted friend, then and still today. Not a nut job, like you. There's a reason why SWFWMD and all the other water management districts, the ones with dozens of "experts" like yourself ON STAFF allow certain "wetland" impacts. Now grow up and stop your idiotic tree hugger arguement, with a fucking expert like me. Period. I am certainly not denying the DEVELOPER pukes have some political pull and dollars$ ...but that certainly does mean they haven't and are not continuing to fuck Florida! Other than your kicking and screaming, tell me ONE thing I said wrong, that was factual. JUST ONE. And, personally, I was a responsible developer. To a fault. Played by the rules. Don't lump me in with a few bad apples, please.
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May 17, 2024 17:05:56 GMT -5
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Post by cyclist on May 17, 2024 17:05:56 GMT -5
I am certainly not denying the DEVELOPER pukes have some political pull and dollars$ ...but that certainly does mean they haven't and are not continuing to fuck Florida! Other than your kicking and screaming, tell me ONE thing I said wrong, that was factual. JUST ONE. And, personally, I was a responsible developer. To a fault. Played by the rules. Don't lump me in with a few bad apples, please. Well, you don't seem to think the smaller ephemeral wetlands are important. I ask you to Google ephemeral wetlands ecological value. You can't dispute the fact they ARE important, but you can think there importance is of no value. That is your prerogative. Is wiping out entire breeding population of amphibians worth one additional home for some carpetbagger?
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May 17, 2024 17:21:55 GMT -5
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Post by conchydong on May 17, 2024 17:21:55 GMT -5
Pete, although I think you are a crazy person I may agree with you somewhat on this issue. I don’t necessarily care about the tadpoles but the Yankees have ruined our state. Californians are going to ruin Montanna and probably many other western states.
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May 17, 2024 17:38:47 GMT -5
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Post by illinoisfisherman on May 17, 2024 17:38:47 GMT -5
Isolated wetlands are useless.
They can’t be allowed to stand in the way of development and progress.
A good developer will identify the problems and make a contribution to a wetlands fund to improve wetlands in another location.
One of the absolute best things that Trump did was the Re-definition of wetlands.
Nothing more nothing less.
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May 17, 2024 17:58:50 GMT -5
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Post by ferris1248 on May 17, 2024 17:58:50 GMT -5
Isolated wetlands are useless. They can’t be allowed to stand in the way of development and progress. A good developer will identify the problems and make a contribution to a wetlands fund to improve wetlands in another location. One of the absolute best things that Trump did was the Re-definition of wetlands. Nothing more nothing less. Spoken like a true developer.
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May 17, 2024 18:33:59 GMT -5
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Post by illinoisfisherman on May 17, 2024 18:33:59 GMT -5
Where would this country be today if there were never any developers?
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May 17, 2024 19:13:20 GMT -5
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Post by tonyroma on May 17, 2024 19:13:20 GMT -5
Where would this country be today if there were never any developers? You got some Trump DNA on your collar.
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Post by whitebacon on May 17, 2024 19:16:52 GMT -5
Isolated wetlands are useless. They can’t be allowed to stand in the way of development and progress. A good developer will identify the problems and make a contribution to a wetlands fund to improve wetlands in another location. One of the absolute best things that Trump did was the Re-definition of wetlands. Nothing more nothing less. Spoken like a true developer. Jesus, Ferris. Not going to fight tonight. Did you read anything I posted? Don't lump yourself in the crowd of rabid liberals . I spoke like a professional. You sound like Looney tunes. But sadly, you are a uninformed liberal.
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Post by pinman on May 17, 2024 19:23:09 GMT -5
We need more development in Florida. And the rest of the United States. Where are we going to house the 3+ million.....ahem (clears throat)...."immigrants"?
If you want to preserve wild places in the US but are OK with millions crossing our border illegally you are supporting 2 issues that contradict each other.
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