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Post by cadman on May 6, 2024 17:19:24 GMT -5
All because the gun was designed to kill.
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Post by pinman on May 6, 2024 17:23:14 GMT -5
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Post by cadman on May 6, 2024 17:26:59 GMT -5
Ok, so the brush you paint all with is wide with no personal knowledge of the process.. 4473 goes with background check, Ccw permit requires knowledge of laws, as well as range test, photo, fingerprints and background check. Keeping up with laws, rules, and training is what responsible folks do. So since you have not done this personally you are relying on opinion, not fact. So how does any of that prevent emotional hotheads from shooting up the lottery line at Publix? What's to stop him from pulling out a knife and killing people in the lottery line? The odds of such an event are extremely rare. Do we require all knives be registered? I can list 100 other rare stupid events that MIGHT happen.
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Post by cadman on May 6, 2024 17:35:11 GMT -5
Why does the second amendment exist? What is its purpose? You also might want to study history and how the development of the gun from China's cannons to the modern pistol. The gun's design and purpose to kill efficiently. Why that scares you, I do not understand.
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Post by pinman on May 6, 2024 18:14:59 GMT -5
Why does the second amendment exist? What is its purpose? You also might want to study history and how the development of the gun from China's cannons to the modern pistol. The gun's design and purpose to kill efficiently. Why that scares you, I do not understand. The Second Amendment has nothing to do with why guns were invented or even designed. Do you think it does somehow? The 2nd states what the government may not do in regards to men and women keeping guns in this country. Im knowledgeable about the 2nd and the invention of guns. I can see that the connection between China hundreds of years ago and modern day use and design of guns has just as much in common with each other as the invention of a stone wheel by Ugh the caveman has with the wheel used on an F1 race car.... Sorry if you cant "wheel" into the 21st Century Ugh....
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Post by TRTerror on May 6, 2024 18:35:23 GMT -5
When I first started carrying Concealed I had all of these conversations with myself honestly. I figured it was better to Die in a Self protection gunfight than hiding on the shitter stall floor in Walmart pleading to some Wack job for my life.. And if I see a Wack job shooting your Wife in the store I will approach and engage as soon as I can reasonably.
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Post by whitebacon on May 6, 2024 18:43:34 GMT -5
Why does the second amendment exist? What is its purpose? You also might want to study history and how the development of the gun from China's cannons to the modern pistol. The gun's design and purpose to kill efficiently. Why that scares you, I do not understand. The Second Amendment has nothing to do with why guns were invented or even designed. Do you think it does somehow? The 2nd states what the government may not do in regards to men and women keeping guns in this country. Im knowledgeable about the 2nd and the invention of guns. I can see that the connection between China hundreds of years ago and modern day use and design of guns has just as much in common with each other as the invention of a stone wheel by Ugh the caveman has with the wheel used on an F1 race car.... Sorry if you cant "wheel" into the 21st Century Ugh.... Not arguing with either one of you. 2nd amendment, IMO, has to do with guaranteeing a right to defend oneself against an oppressive government. It ain't the 3rd, 5th, or 8th amendment. It's the second. SECOND. Rights have been trampled on by insanity. Now-a-days. Example: 1998 I'm getting divorced. Wife's attorney slaps me with a domestic violence injunction, which was complete horseshit. Just to be mean I guess. Sheriff shows up and confiscated all my firearms, at least 30 or more. Four years and God knows how much money and aggravation to get them back. Most of you are old and happily married, so that shit will never happen to you. Down here, pay a fee, show them a clean criminal record, gave me a license and a CCWP in about three weeks. Another reason I moved here. Can't do that in most of Central America. Just sayin.
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Post by cadman on May 6, 2024 18:46:54 GMT -5
The Second Amendment has nothing to do with why guns were invented or even designed. Do you think it does somehow? The 2nd states what the government may not do in regards to men and women keeping guns in this country. Im knowledgeable about the 2nd and the invention of guns. I can see that the connection between China hundreds of years ago and modern day use and design of guns has just as much in common with each other as the invention of a stone wheel by Ugh the caveman has with the wheel used on an F1 race car.... Sorry if you cant "wheel" into the 21st Century Ugh.... Not arguing with either one of you. 2nd amendment, IMO, has to do with guaranteeing a right to defend oneself against an oppressive government. It ain't the 3rd, 5th, or 8th amendment. It's the second. SECOND. Rights have been trampled on by insanity. Now-a-days. Example: 1998 I'm getting divorced. Wife's attorney slaps me with a domestic violence injunction, which was complete horseshit. Just to be mean I guess. Sheriff shows up and confiscated all my firearms, at least 30 or more. Four years and God knows how much money and aggravation to get them back. Most of you are old and happily married, so that shit will never happen to you. Down here, pay a fee, show them a clean criminal record, gave me a license and a CCWP in about three weeks. Another reason I moved here. Can't do that in most of Central America. Just sayin. [br Correct, to defend ones self with lethal force, not shoot at paper targets.
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Post by pinman on May 6, 2024 18:51:15 GMT -5
Not arguing with either one of you. 2nd amendment, IMO, has to do with guaranteeing a right to defend oneself against an oppressive government. It ain't the 3rd, 5th, or 8th amendment. It's the second. SECOND. Rights have been trampled on by insanity. Now-a-days. Example: 1998 I'm getting divorced. Wife's attorney slaps me with a domestic violence injunction, which was complete horseshit. Just to be mean I guess. Sheriff shows up and confiscated all my firearms, at least 30 or more. Four years and God knows how much money and aggravation to get them back. Most of you are old and happily married, so that shit will never happen to you. Down here, pay a fee, show them a clean criminal record, gave me a license and a CCWP in about three weeks. Another reason I moved here. Can't do that in most of Central America. Just sayin. [br Correct, to defend ones self with lethal force, not shoot at paper targets. Again, what does the 2nd have to do with the design of guns? And for the 3rd time, where did I say "a gun is designed for target practice and that is what the main use is" as you so stated. Man up or go back to squattin and peein.....
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Post by whitebacon on May 6, 2024 19:06:45 GMT -5
Everyone stop. On basic levels I think we can agree. Which is strange here. Cad and I don't agree on much. But on this we do. Not on the extreme points, but the basic parts.
Pin, I definitely agree with you on most of your points.
Let's just leave it here. Between us, there is at least some common ground, which is rare for two of us. Pinman you and I are on the same side. In the interest of us three agreeing at least partially, lets call it even for today.
*ps, I'm not picking sides. Everyone knows where I stand. I'm just asking to stop fighting about the subject.
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Post by luapnor on May 6, 2024 19:43:58 GMT -5
Except the second isn't about guns specifically, it's about arms... which did include any weapon like a cannon if necessary. We have stupidity allowed the term arms to be redefined incorrectly.
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Post by whitebacon on May 6, 2024 19:50:23 GMT -5
Except the second isn't about guns specifically, it's about arms... which did include any weapon like a cannon if necessary. We have stupidity allowed the term arms to be redefined incorrectly. Could not agree more. "Arms" is a settled term according to the US Supreme Court.
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Post by pinman on May 6, 2024 19:53:27 GMT -5
Im having a blast! (no pun intended)
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Post by biminitwisted on May 6, 2024 20:14:44 GMT -5
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Post by walkerdog on May 6, 2024 21:23:02 GMT -5
Exactly. Some cars are designed for purposes other than transportation. Its not usually a good idea to state something as an absolute. You’ll be wrong, more often than not, if so. My statement is still correct. Just because a few guns are made for a particular sporting event does not change the purpose of the gun. To kill more efficiently than the bow and arrow That should not bother you. I do not understand why it scares some to say that. The second amendment does not exist to allow you to shoot at targets. It is there so you can defend your life and property if need be. It does not make the gun "bad" or "evil". It, like other tools, has a primary purpose even it is sometimes used for other purpose. Not bothered or scared.🤣 Just pointing out the fact that not all firearms were designed to kill more efficiently, as was said. You’re right about the primary purpose of firearms though. Never said otherwise. My statement that not all are produced for that purpose is also correct. I was just pointing out the mistake of saying that they are all primarily intended to kill more efficiently. Some are designed for the primary purpose of hitting a target on a range more accurately for competitive purposes. Not sure why that seems to bother you. Not sure why that bothers you.
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