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Post by luapnor on Jun 6, 2024 7:16:32 GMT -5
He is a fake cultist... he just wants to tell everyone else how to live and the fake climate crisis and the COvidLie were simply his tools to do that. Actually he is a troll. If he is, he stays in "character" pretty consistently.
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Post by luapnor on Jun 6, 2024 7:24:11 GMT -5
He is a fake cultist... he just wants to tell everyone else how to live and the fake climate crisis and the COvidLie were simply his tools to do that. I am standing up for the technology, you fools are making your own decisions. There are very good reasons for not running out and buying an EV, but stating they are over and obsolete technology is certainly NOT one of them. I am not buying one yet, because I have perfectly good biofuel running cars and the most economical and environmental thing one can do is keep em running as long as possible. I don't like all the autonomous stuff on them either. But I will admit they are very practical for the majority of folks looking for a new car, they are here to stay for a long time and the charging issues are not as big a deal as the EV haters make out, that is why they have to lie so much. They pollute more than ICE. Not only the manufacture of them but also the daily use as they emit far more particulate pollution than a comparable ICE vehicle.
They are less convenient that ICE, if you dont have a charger at home and only use it to commute less than 50 miles We dont have enough electricity for everyone to have one. They are more expensive than ICE They are less efficient than ICE
They will eventually cost more to operate and maintain that ICE The EV wont make it to the 20+yo used market, the market that poor people live in. Why do you hate poor people? The EOL EV problem is going to become a huge eco disaster. You support slavery if you drive an EV
So go on, keep defending it with your pretend feel goods. The subsidies created and continue to create a huge mal-investment in high end EVs when the potential viable market is in the $12-15K range.
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Post by cyclist on Jun 6, 2024 8:44:18 GMT -5
I am standing up for the technology, you fools are making your own decisions. There are very good reasons for not running out and buying an EV, but stating they are over and obsolete technology is certainly NOT one of them. I am not buying one yet, because I have perfectly good biofuel running cars and the most economical and environmental thing one can do is keep em running as long as possible. I don't like all the autonomous stuff on them either. But I will admit they are very practical for the majority of folks looking for a new car, they are here to stay for a long time and the charging issues are not as big a deal as the EV haters make out, that is why they have to lie so much. They pollute more than ICE. Not only the manufacture of them but also the daily use as they emit far more particulate pollution than a comparable ICE vehicle.
They are less convenient that ICE, if you dont have a charger at home and only use it to commute less than 50 miles We dont have enough electricity for everyone to have one. They are more expensive than ICE They are less efficient than ICE
They will eventually cost more to operate and maintain that ICE The EV wont make it to the 20+yo used market, the market that poor people live in. Why do you hate poor people? The EOL EV problem is going to become a huge eco disaster. You support slavery if you drive an EV
So go on, keep defending it with your pretend feel goods. The subsidies created and continue to create a huge mal-investment in high end EVs when the potential viable market is in the $12-15K range.
An idiot liar who can't seem to grasp reality without some magaa blogger feeding his head with bullshit. And no sources or citations...of course.
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Post by luapnor on Jun 6, 2024 11:18:54 GMT -5
Every single one of those bullets has been posted by me on this forum at one time or another with a source and you never could or would prove it wrong. You are in some serious denial.
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Post by johngalt on Jun 6, 2024 11:58:21 GMT -5
As I said, everyone has the right to own and drive anything they choose to. But, they do not have the right to force what they want onto others. Especially those who have no use for a EV. And they need to pay the appropriate taxes to use the public roads.
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Post by cyclist on Jun 6, 2024 12:09:11 GMT -5
Every single one of those bullets has been posted by me on this forum at one time or another with a source and you never could or would prove it wrong. You are in some serious denial. Most of them are dead wrong and no you didn't cite sources. You can't, because its mostly BS that you spout. EV are 50% more efficient than ICE - one of your more egregious lies defied this fact.
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Post by johngalt on Jun 6, 2024 14:26:23 GMT -5
Every single one of those bullets has been posted by me on this forum at one time or another with a source and you never could or would prove it wrong. You are in some serious denial. Most of them are dead wrong and no you didn't cite sources. You can't, because its mostly BS that you spout. EV are 50% more efficient than ICE - one of your more egregious lies defied this fact. Explain how they are 50 percent more efficient than an internal combustion engine. Maybe electricity’s free?🤔
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Post by cyclist on Jun 6, 2024 14:40:57 GMT -5
Most of them are dead wrong and no you didn't cite sources. You can't, because its mostly BS that you spout. EV are 50% more efficient than ICE - one of your more egregious lies defied this fact. Explain how they are 50 percent more efficient than an internal combustion engine. Maybe electricity’s free?🤔 Electric motors are 80% or so efficient, ICE diesel engines about 50% and ICE gas engines around 25%. You don't include the inefficiency of drilling for oil and refining gas when evaluating the efficiency of using gas (which is very poor), why would you consider the efficiency of the electricity production that charges an EVs cars batteries?
Electric Vehicles Are Way, Way More Energy-Efficient Than Internal Combustion Vehicles Say you drop $5 on a gallon of gas—only about $1 dollar's worth actually gets you moving in a traditional ICE vehicle. Out of the 8.9 million barrels of gasoline consumed daily in the U.S. on average, only 1.8 million gallons, or approximately 20 percent, actually propel an internal combustion vehicle forward. The other 80 percent is wasted on heat and parasitic auxiliary components that draw away energy. As the world begins its shift to EV proliferation, the good news is electric vehicles are far more energy efficient on the road.
Note that fixed power plants are more efficient and less polluting than mobile power sources.
Natural gas outperforms other fossil fuels significantly in thermal efficiency: Natural gas combined cycle power plants can reach thermal efficiencies over 60%. Natural gas combustion turbine plants achieve efficiencies of 35-42%. By comparison, the average coal plant has a thermal efficiency around 33%.
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Post by johngalt on Jun 6, 2024 17:01:42 GMT -5
Explain how they are 50 percent more efficient than an internal combustion engine. Maybe electricity’s free?🤔 Electric motors are 80% or so efficient, ICE diesel engines about 50% and ICE gas engines around 25%. You don't include the inefficiency of drilling for oil and refining gas when evaluating the efficiency of using gas (which is very poor), why would you consider the efficiency of the electricity production that charges an EVs cars batteries?
Electric Vehicles Are Way, Way More Energy-Efficient Than Internal Combustion Vehicles Say you drop $5 on a gallon of gas—only about $1 dollar's worth actually gets you moving in a traditional ICE vehicle. Out of the 8.9 million barrels of gasoline consumed daily in the U.S. on average, only 1.8 million gallons, or approximately 20 percent, actually propel an internal combustion vehicle forward. The other 80 percent is wasted on heat and parasitic auxiliary components that draw away energy. As the world begins its shift to EV proliferation, the good news is electric vehicles are far more energy efficient on the road.
Note that fixed power plants are more efficient and less polluting than mobile power sources.
Natural gas outperforms other fossil fuels significantly in thermal efficiency: Natural gas combined cycle power plants can reach thermal efficiencies over 60%. Natural gas combustion turbine plants achieve efficiencies of 35-42%. By comparison, the average coal plant has a thermal efficiency around 33%.
All of that information is missing one important issue. My F150 holds 26 gallons of gasoline. I can start with a full tank and drive close to 500 miles at 70 mph in air conditioned comfort. Stop and refuel in less than 15 minutes grab a burger and hit the road. A EV cannot do that. So no, a EV is not more efficient. Not to mention the amounts of electricity it will take.
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Post by misterjr on Jun 6, 2024 17:11:34 GMT -5
Cyclist just handed your ass to you, best to stop with all the BS. EVs are the future no matter what you say.
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Post by cyclist on Jun 6, 2024 17:25:07 GMT -5
Electric motors are 80% or so efficient, ICE diesel engines about 50% and ICE gas engines around 25%. You don't include the inefficiency of drilling for oil and refining gas when evaluating the efficiency of using gas (which is very poor), why would you consider the efficiency of the electricity production that charges an EVs cars batteries?
Electric Vehicles Are Way, Way More Energy-Efficient Than Internal Combustion Vehicles Say you drop $5 on a gallon of gas—only about $1 dollar's worth actually gets you moving in a traditional ICE vehicle. Out of the 8.9 million barrels of gasoline consumed daily in the U.S. on average, only 1.8 million gallons, or approximately 20 percent, actually propel an internal combustion vehicle forward. The other 80 percent is wasted on heat and parasitic auxiliary components that draw away energy. As the world begins its shift to EV proliferation, the good news is electric vehicles are far more energy efficient on the road.
Note that fixed power plants are more efficient and less polluting than mobile power sources.
Natural gas outperforms other fossil fuels significantly in thermal efficiency: Natural gas combined cycle power plants can reach thermal efficiencies over 60%. Natural gas combustion turbine plants achieve efficiencies of 35-42%. By comparison, the average coal plant has a thermal efficiency around 33%.
All of that information is missing one important issue. My F150 holds 26 gallons of gasoline. I can start with a full tank and drive close to 500 miles at 70 mph in air conditioned comfort. Stop and refuel in less than 15 minutes grab a burger and hit the road. A EV cannot do that. So no, a EV is not more efficient. Not to mention the amounts of electricity it will take. Just think how far you could go if your gasser didn't waste 75% of that fuel. Seriously, its physics, not feelings and misunderstanding.
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Post by OhMy on Jun 6, 2024 18:43:02 GMT -5
Just think how far you could go if your gasser didn't waste 75% of that fuel. Seriously, its physics, not feelings and misunderstanding. Personally, I am holding off until the Flex capacitor can get me back to the future.
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Post by Captj on Jun 7, 2024 3:24:45 GMT -5
The rest of the world is investing heavily in EV's, but according to some we should keep on burning dinosaurs and fall further behind in technology. Battery technology is growing by leaps and bounds. Has ice mileage increased lately. Am I missing something here?
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Post by luapnor on Jun 7, 2024 5:39:25 GMT -5
Cyclist just handed your ass to you, best to stop with all the BS. EVs are the future no matter what you say. Not really... not a single mention of transmission loss of electricity nor charging loss, and super chargers are even worse. You cant simply start with a full battery and make your claims.
He never touched on pollution. Specifically particulate pollution that gets into the air, water and soil with microplastics and chemicals. EVs are way heavier and burn up tires at a very much higher rate than comparable ICE vehicles. Plus brakes on the heavier EVs spew particulates.(Yes they regen, but not all the time). Per mile, EVs pollute more than an ICE. This doesnt even include the extra coal and petroleum based electrical production that has to be ramped up at night to charge EVs when electrical usage would normally go down. Solar panels dont work at night.
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Post by garycoleco on Jun 7, 2024 6:21:49 GMT -5
I keep coming back hoping to see someone's solution to the excess power draw from server buildings to power AI and quantum computing..... They're popping up all over the place
Yall don't let me down.....
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