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Post by cadman on Apr 11, 2024 17:39:42 GMT -5
It's pretty obvious. Trump is stifling all legislation until he gets elected (if he does). Then he will immediately approve all the legislation he stuffed so he'll get credit. He did the same with the border legislation. Yep, he reauthorized FISA in 2018 and said that it was “NOT the same FISA law that was so wrongly abused during the election.” It was fine then, but now it isn't? Just add this new lie to the list of lies he has told.
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Post by Tarponator on Apr 11, 2024 17:42:29 GMT -5
And his lap dogs eat it up.
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Post by ferris1248 on Apr 11, 2024 17:50:26 GMT -5
I mean, whether you are for Trump or against Trump, you're stupid if you don't see that.
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Post by nikonoclast on Apr 11, 2024 19:15:27 GMT -5
when the government uses it for political purposes than there is a problem. Otherwise I have no problem with it. THAT is why it should not exist. We dont punish those that violate the Constitution. "Political Purposes"? Only because the crimes being prosecuted are political. The rest are Civil matters that were held back while Trump was in office. Trump's company pled Guilty to Tax Fraud. His company's comptroller is in jail for the 2nd time, this latest for perjury. They all squeal like little girls with hands caught in the cookie jar. ( Or rats caught in a trap of their own devising. ) How many attorney's have been disciplined or disbarred because of Trump? Do you believe the grand jury in Arizona won't be filing charges before Summer? The chairwoman and CEO of the AZ Republican party are both going to prison. That dimwit dame in Georgia, who took selfies while committing a felony, is SOL. Just a reminder: In the three jury trials held so far, Trump has lost unanimous verdicts. Not a single juror has been convinced ... . So, is he guilty as hell, or are his attorneys all overpaid idiots? There's not much room to quibble there.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 11, 2024 19:20:31 GMT -5
Wait until the pubs get their turn. The time will be coming.
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Post by garycoleco on Apr 11, 2024 19:26:06 GMT -5
Well we can't seem to find honest law enforcement, so shit can FISA. It's just a tool to abuse
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 11, 2024 21:15:25 GMT -5
Well we can't seem to find honest law enforcement, so shit can FISA. It's just a tool to abuse I still a democrat BUT when the Republicans had the presidency and majorities in both houses they didn’t abuse their power to go after the Democrats. It seems like “abuse of power” and weaponizing branches of government against adversaries is a Democrat tactic.
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Post by Tarponator on Apr 11, 2024 21:44:33 GMT -5
Bwhahahahaha.
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Post by luapnor on Apr 11, 2024 22:22:52 GMT -5
THAT is why it should not exist. We dont punish those that violate the Constitution. "Political Purposes"? Only because the crimes being prosecuted are political. The rest are Civil matters that were held back while Trump was in office. Trump's company pled Guilty to Tax Fraud. His company's comptroller is in jail for the 2nd time, this latest for perjury. They all squeal like little girls with hands caught in the cookie jar. ( Or rats caught in a trap of their own devising. ) How many attorney's have been disciplined or disbarred because of Trump? Do you believe the grand jury in Arizona won't be filing charges before Summer? The chairwoman and CEO of the AZ Republican party are both going to prison. That dimwit dame in Georgia, who took selfies while committing a felony, is SOL. Just a reminder: In the three jury trials held so far, Trump has lost unanimous verdicts. Not a single juror has been convinced ... . So, is he guilty as hell, or are his attorneys all overpaid idiots? There's not much room to quibble there. Wtf are you talking about?
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Post by garycoleco on Apr 12, 2024 5:45:13 GMT -5
Well we can't seem to find honest law enforcement, so shit can FISA. It's just a tool to abuse I still a democrat BUT when the Republicans had the presidency and majorities in both houses they didn’t abuse their power to go after the Democrats. It seems like “abuse of power” and weaponizing branches of government against adversaries is a Democrat tactic. Personally I think it's a government issue and not just political. The political issue comes into play when your side wins. Then everyone loves it despite the lies and losses of freedom. In a nutshell there's a lot of dumb motherfuckers in this country who think this is cute
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Post by ferris1248 on Apr 12, 2024 7:32:25 GMT -5
"Senate Republicans vented their frustration after former President Trump helped derail a compromise House bill to extend Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) authority, sending lawmakers scrambling to find a Plan B to keep the nation’s intelligence agencies from losing their ability to spy on adversaries and terrorists."
"Republican senators are warning that the nation’s spy program is about to go “dark” and that much of the intelligence that goes into President Biden’s daily briefing could be lost, putting the nation at risk for surprise attacks."
“I’m very disappointed in President Trump’s assessment of FISA. It is an essential tool. It may need to be amended but it is absolutely essential as everyone in the intelligence community will tell you,” said Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), a senior member of the Senate Intelligence Committee."
"Senate Intelligence Committee Vice Chair Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) warned that failure to pass the bill would cripple the nation’s intelligence gathering."
“If we can’t spy on foreign terrorists and foreign spies overseas, we’re out of the intelligence business,” he said."
"Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas), another member of the Intelligence Committee, pointed out that much of the national security intelligence provided to Biden on a daily basis comes from information gathered under FISA’s Section 702."
“So I think we need to reform it, not end it,” Cornyn said."
"Asked what it would mean for national security if Congress killed FISA’s warrantless surveillance authority under Section 702, Cornyn warned: “We’d go dark on a lot of threats. I’m hoping there can be a more extended conversation about what the reforms should look like.”
"Trump effectively derailed a House bill to extend the expanded surveillance powers by urging Congress on Friday to “kill FISA.”
“KILL FISA, IT WAS ILLEGALLY USED AGAINST ME, AND MANY OTHERS. THEY SPIED ON MY CAMPAIGN!!!” Trump fumed on his social media platform, Truth Social."
"Former Trump Attorney General William Barr told The Hill on Wednesday that Trump’s opposition to FISA seems to be more motivated by personal animus than a substantive policy disagreement or concern for Fourth Amendment protections."
“I think President Trump’s opposition seems to have stemmed from personal pique rather than any logic and reason. The provision that he objects to has nothing to do with the provision on the floor,” he said, referring to the legislation reauthorizing Section 702 of FISA, which stalled in the House on Wednesday after 19 Republicans voted to defeat a rule to advance it."
"Barr warned that allowing the program to lapse would put the nation at risk of attack."
“I hope for Republicans’ sake that there are no attacks, because if there are, I think there will be blood on people’s hands for doing this. It’s reckless,” he said."
"Barr and multiple senators, including Rubio, pointed out that the FBI initiated a wiretap on Page, Trump’s former campaign aide, in 2016 under Section 1 of FISA, which is not at issue in the House reauthorization bill. And they noted that the FBI obtained a warrant from a FISA court to surveil Page."
"Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) said the former president went too far in calling for the termination of FISA and Section 702. "
“I disagree with him,” he said. “I’ve worked with the FBI, I’ve seen the briefing on reforms, I believe that they’ve addressed concerns, and I think the world is far too dangerous now for us to go dark.”
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 12, 2024 7:47:33 GMT -5
Any law that incorrectly infringes on our rights and freedoms needs to be modified.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 12, 2024 7:48:12 GMT -5
And yes it’s not a political issue and should not be made into a political issue.
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Post by Captj on Apr 12, 2024 7:54:52 GMT -5
Trump is quick to rail against any exception to his idea of loyalty to himself or his political ambitions. Regardless of whether there is a negative impact on OUR country. Very sad that his followers don't realize this vain, self serving characteristic. When his Republican leadership votes against his wishes his reaction is to threaten, name call, and act the fool. Facts are irrelevant.
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Post by ferris1248 on Apr 12, 2024 8:09:41 GMT -5
Any law that incorrectly infringes on our rights and freedoms needs to be modified. And what FBIs actions, in this instance, infringed on Page's or Trump's rights? The FBI obtained the proper court warrant to be able to listen in on Page's conversations as the Act specifies. (The Act that was approved by Trump during his reign. )
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