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Post by bullfrog on Mar 31, 2024 21:50:24 GMT -5
 That used to be how we said the Pledge of Allegiance. Then we stopped when the Nazis started using it. Its all taken from Roman culture. The salute, the swastika, the eagle, all of it is an appropriation from Rome. America wanted to be the new Rome. Napoleonic France wanted to be the new Rome. Nazi Germany wanted to be the new Rome. Ect. So we and they all used Roman symbology. The Germans had a stronger connection to the Roman heritage. Germany was in fact the historic “Holy Roman Empire” and the Kaiser was Caesar. In fact the German pronunciation of “Ki-zar” is in fact how a Roman would have said Julius Caesar’s name in Latin. Would have been pronounced “Hu-lee-us Ki-zar,” not the way we say it in English. The Nazis were playing on the German nostalgia for the old Roman Empire that they were until Caesar abdicated at the end of WWI. |
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Post by luapnor on Apr 1, 2024 8:07:14 GMT -5
Ironically, 100 million people were killed under this symbol and it is perfectly acceptable to display it without question...  |
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Post by luapnor on Apr 1, 2024 8:14:55 GMT -5
Germany(modern borders) was never conquered by the Romans. They were stopped at the Rhine. Germanic tribes stopped the Romans.
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Post by bullfrog on Apr 1, 2024 8:28:03 GMT -5
Germany(modern borders) was never conquered by the Romans. They were stopped at the Rhine. Germanic tribes stopped the Romans. The Germans conquered Rome and “became” Romans. As far as they were concerned, Rome didn’t fall, it just had its capital moved. |
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Post by richm on Apr 1, 2024 8:45:11 GMT -5
There are hundreds of "death and conquer" symbols. Lotsa skull variations and such. People display em all the time and about everywhere. I think it is just the immense popularity of the swastika.
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Post by tampaspicer on Apr 1, 2024 9:23:16 GMT -5
Yeah and everyone flying the Confederate Flag for heritage reasons is a crock of shit too.
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Post by illinoisfisherman on Apr 1, 2024 9:39:29 GMT -5
Yeah and everyone flying the Confederate Flag for heritage reasons is a crock of shit too. This is the worst affront on heritage that ever happened. I’m from the Midwest but I had the “Stars and Bars” on every motorcycle I ever rode. Washington, Jefferson, Jackson and others of our country’s heritage were slave owners. Is “Old Glory” banned? |
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Post by bullfrog on Apr 1, 2024 10:12:34 GMT -5
Yeah and everyone flying the Confederate Flag for heritage reasons is a crock of shit too. Not sure what the Confederate flag has to do with pre-WWII use of the swastika and other symbols we now associate with Nazi Germany? |
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Post by tampaspicer on Apr 1, 2024 10:32:23 GMT -5
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Post by bullfrog on Apr 1, 2024 10:51:20 GMT -5
Again, what does that have to do with what we’re discussing? Who cares if German neo-Nazis are fascinated with the Confederacy? Of course they are. This discussion isn’t about any of that. Its about why what appears to be Nazi imagery existed decades before the Nazis were around. Its because the Nazis were ripping off imagery from other sources. |
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Post by tampaspicer on Apr 1, 2024 10:56:00 GMT -5
The article talks about what we are discussing. How the Nazi's adopted/ripped things.
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Post by Zif on Apr 1, 2024 11:14:02 GMT -5
BLM uses the clinched fist for their symbol right, and everyone knows that paper beats rock, Hope this helps.  |
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Post by bullfrog on Apr 1, 2024 11:19:04 GMT -5
The article talks about what we are discussing. How the Nazi's adopted/ripped things. Its talking about how Germans have always romanticized the Confederacy, and that was given an exclamation point during the Nazi era. And all that is true. Hitler considered the Confederacy an example of an ideal racist state. But the Nazis never actually used Confederate symbology. They never waved the Confederate flag at a rally. The Nazis’ appropriation of imagery was almost entirely that of ancient Rome, the medieval Teutons, and Norse paganism. Should Germany have conquered the United States, I’m sure it would have amused Hitler for the Confederacy to be re-formed. But that’s all another discussion. |
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Post by nickhoog on Apr 1, 2024 12:05:33 GMT -5
My mother would call it a "Greek Key"....
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Post by gandy on Apr 1, 2024 12:19:23 GMT -5
BLM uses the clinched fist for their symbol right, and everyone knows that paper beats rock, Hope this helps. noted |
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